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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 05:47 PM
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Whimbrel being tracked for two years by scientists shot by hunters
http://worldwaders.posterous.com/machi-a-shorebird-trac...
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Scientists at the Center for Conservation Biology learned today that a whimbrel that they had been tracking via satellite for 2 years as part of a migration study had been shot by a hunting party this morning on the Caribbean island of Guadeloupe (French West Indies). The bird named Machi had just flown through Tropical Storm Maria and made landfall on Montserrat before flying to Guadeloupe. Machi had been tracked for over 27,000 miles (44,000 km) back and forth between breeding grounds in the Hudson Bay Lowlands of Canada to wintering grounds on the coast of Brazil. The bird was tracked on 7 nonstop flights of more than 2,000 miles. During the spring of 2010, Machi flew more than 3,400 miles directly from Brazil to South Carolina. Machi serves as an example of birds that interact with many landscapes and cultures throughout the year and a reminder of how international cooperation is required for their continued existence.

Guadeloupe, Martinique and Barbados continue to operate shooting swamps some of which are artificial wetlands created to attract migrant shorebirds for sport shooting during fall migration. It is estimated that tens of thousands of shorebirds continue to be taken annually by hunting clubs on just these three islands. This practice is a throwback to more than a century ago when gunners hunted shorebirds throughout the Americas. The Migratory Bird Treaty Act was passed, in part, to protect dwindling numbers of birds that migrate across country borders. Operated as a French overseas department, both Guadeloupe and Martinique are part of the European Union and are not party to the Treaty. Barbados, once a British colony is now an independent state and also not party to the Treaty. The last Eskimo Curlew known to science was shot on Barbados in 1963. Shorebird hunting within these areas continues to be unregulated to the present time. Conservation organizations continue to work toward some compromise that will reduce pressures on declining species.
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Fugg these scumbags!
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 05:51 PM
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1. Recommend
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 05:55 PM
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3. It's just sport to the fugging scumbag
tourists and the governments of these islands have bowed to the tourist interests - I hate these people.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 05:54 PM
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2. Grrrrrrr
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 06:07 PM
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4. when animals can shoot back, then -- and only then -- will it be a "sport"
Edited on Wed Sep-14-11 06:08 PM by villager
n/t
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 06:50 PM
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9. Agreed. That is my philosophy. It is a sport when
both sides are equally armed.
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 07:32 PM
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19. I just bought a great shirt that says...
"Arm the Animals."
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 07:44 PM
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28. I want one of those
:hi:
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 07:39 PM
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24. So war is sport?
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Abin Sur Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 06:19 PM
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5. Yawn.
A bird which is a member of a species that is not endangered in the slightest (as per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whimbrel ) was legally shot.

Big deal. Tag some more.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 06:29 PM
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6. Because killing for sport is so much fun
:puke:
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Abin Sur Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 06:40 PM
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7. It is for some people
Not my bag of tea, although I certainly enjoy eating wild game when I'm lucky enough to have one of my friends who does hunt give some to me.

Elk...yummy!
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 06:53 PM
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11. Many hunters get off on killing.
Believe me. I know. I was a copy editor for 34 outdoors magazines. And the first-hand stories from some the hunters would turn my stomach.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 06:59 PM
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13. Killing for sport isn't the same as killing for food.
People who aren't ennui-riddled commentators generally realize that.
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Abin Sur Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 07:04 PM
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15. While there is certainly a difference
I couldn't care less how much someone got off on killing a deer if I wind up getting some venison roasts because of it.

If they want to kill Bambi just so they can put his head on their wall, that's their prerogative.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 07:09 PM
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17. No, you "couldn't care less." that is abundantly evident from your posts
n/t
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Abin Sur Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 07:15 PM
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18. Why should I care?
Edited on Wed Sep-14-11 07:35 PM by Abin Sur
After all, the degree to which someone enjoys killing an animal doesn't affect the taste of it in any way.

I'd feel the same way if I found out that the trout I'm about to eat (should be ready in another 5 minutes or so!) was caught by a fisherman who really enjoyed the experience. Why should it make the slightest difference?
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 07:35 PM
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20. I, sir, will shrug...
if you get a bear paw to the face (though I don't wish it).
Will this get deleted? Eh, maybe. It's certainly not very Buddhist of me, but I'm having a bad day and I've had the great displeasure of seeing a lot of animal abuse today.

Your callous indifference to animals irks me and is precisely the reason our planet is in such peril.
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Abin Sur Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 07:59 PM
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32. Animals are a valuable commodity
And should be treated as such. I fully support laws protecting endangered species, and efforts to increase their numbers.

I'm not indifferent to them as a whole, but the legal killing of one non-endangered bird is no more a tragedy than the cutting down of a stalk of wheat. It's a replaceable resource.

As for your indifference towards my being mauled by a bear (though you don't wish it...thank you so much for that!), you may rest assured that I do not feel the same towards you. As a speciest, I value human life (yours included) above that of any other animal.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 07:35 PM
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21. apples and oranges: killing for food vs. killing solely for bloodlust
But - why would you care?
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 08:20 PM
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35. The majority of hunting is killing for bloodlust.
As I stated above, I was a copy editor for hunting magazines throughout the U.S. and the majority of the hunters got off on the kill.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 08:24 PM
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37. I'm sure many do; having friends who only hunt food, however (I don't hunt)
...their philosophy/approach would seem to be different than the "stuffed heads only" crowd...
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Abin Sur Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:44 PM
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40. I don't.
It's your prerogative to do so, of course.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 07:45 PM
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29. I guess the fire would burn of the spewage from the orgasmic shooter before you eat the charred...
...remains. No muss no fuss I guess. I wouldn't like the fisherman to fuck my salmon then sell it though. That's creepy right?
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Abin Sur Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:48 PM
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41. Well done...way to keep it classy!
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 07:45 PM
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30. Why Not Use A Rocket Launcher, For A Little Sport? (n/t)
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Abin Sur Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:53 PM
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42. Because it ruins too much of the meat, you silly.
Besides, have you priced rocket launchers lately? Even the army's lightest rocket launcher (the M136 AT4) costs almost $1,500 a shot! Even premium rifle ammo only costs a couple bucks per round...
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:08 PM
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38. It's fun and you get meat out of the deal. What's the problem?
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 06:44 PM
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8. Thoughtlessness isn't endangered either. n/t
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Abin Sur Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 06:51 PM
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10. I don't think I'm being thoughtless in the slightest.
I will admit to being indifferent to the plight of this particular bird...
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Abin Sur Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:55 PM
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43. Oh, I freely admit to being an asshole at times.
What of it?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 06:54 PM
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12. A beautiful creature. I can't understand why anyone would want to kill it.


Amazing that something that looks so fragile can fly farther than most jets, non-stop.

Fugging scumbags.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 07:39 PM
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23. You know my view
:fistbump:
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Drahthaardogs Donating Member (482 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 07:02 PM
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14. IF they ate the thing, who cares.
If you eat meat, something must die. It is just that simple. I do not parse between a chicken or a woodcock. If they shot it and let it lay to rot, it is a pity.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 07:08 PM
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16. K&R
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 07:43 PM
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26. Don't go there
Sure losing your brother was hard - I lost my favorite cousin to bullets, but I've met as many stupid humans as you have met stupid birds and the birds have been way more harmless.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 07:44 PM
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27. some of us can have compassion for all living things who are killed needlessly
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 07:46 PM
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31. That kind of numbness to the wellness of other living creatures is really cool!
Not. Same for humans. Not cool.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 08:10 PM
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33. This is very upsetting news! How sad!
Also such a loss to science.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 08:12 PM
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34. And the bird survived Tropical Storm Marie
as well
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 08:24 PM
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36.  I forgot to ask about favorite flowers
Guess I'll find an appropriate dirge...for the bird :rofl:
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Abin Sur Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:59 PM
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44. Don't get too upset.
The loss of one non-endangered bird doesn't exactly strike the death knell of ornithology.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:09 PM
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39. I see this thread has brought out all the folks that think us hunters are evil barbarians.
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