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pwb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:03 AM
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As a Democrat are you pro- abortion?
Is anyone really pro-abortion? I am not. I believe abortion should only be used as a last resort. I do believe that a women should have the right to decide for herself if that procedure is necessary, so as a democrat I am not pro-abortion, I accept it. There is a big difference between being pro something and accepting it.

Are democrats all pro-gay?, or do we just accept it as a life style if others choose it?.

Are we anti-school prayer or do we accept that not all children in our public schools pray to the same god?.

I guess my point is that we have been labeled as being pro on issues that many of us just accept for others.

Some things we do not approve of, but we accept them for others to choose and if any judgment is to be made we think it should be judged in the hereafter not by us.

We have been labeled as liberals by the radio talking heads and the pukes, I am not a liberal. I am a democrat.

I think it is time we define ourselves. We are very much different from what the talking heads and pukes have defined us as.

We are not Satan or the anti-Christ, we just believe we have been given free will and should not be judged in this world.

This is my opinion and as democrats I hope you accept my right to it as I accept your right to your opinion. Peace.






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mfcorey1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:04 AM
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1. I am pro choice. nt
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RockaFowler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:07 AM
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6. Me too
A Repuke said that liberals are anti-death penalty but pro-abortion. Whatever the f&*% does that mean?? I am pro-choice. I believe that abortion is a legal medical procedure. And women who CHOOSE it, make the decision on their own. Boy you would think those anti-government types would like the fact that a woman made her own choice. I guess not, huh??
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:04 AM
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2. Don't let anyone but yourself have control over who you are and
what you believe. I haven't been labeled, because I refuse to be.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:06 AM
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5. +1!
:thumbsup:
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:05 AM
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3. we are pro-humanity
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mindem Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:05 AM
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4. I'm pro choice.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:07 AM
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7. I'm pro-choice...big difference!
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:38 AM
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41. Yep.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:08 AM
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8. "life style if others choose it"
I know this is just a small piece of your post but please change it or remove it. It really is offensive.

It's not a lifestyle. It's not a choice.
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lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:18 AM
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14. +1
I should have called that out also.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:08 AM
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9. The TERM you want is "PRO-CHOICE." Thanks. BTW: Are you claiming that being gay is one's CHOICE?
Edited on Wed Sep-14-11 09:14 AM by WinkyDink
"Are democrats all pro-gay?, or do we just accept it as a life style if others choose it?."
How ignorant is this? Let me count the ways:

"pro-gay" ~~~Nobody here is "pro" any particular sexual identity.

"accept it" ~~~WTH is ANYONE to "accept" the sexual identity of another human being? Who made them the arbiter??

"life style" ~~~WTH does THIS mean, besides implying stereotypes? What is the "gay lifestyle"?

"others choose it" ~~~When did you "choose" to be heterosexual (if you are)?



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pwb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:36 AM
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16. I accept you as you are that does not mean I approve .
Edited on Wed Sep-14-11 09:38 AM by pwb
Choice, lifestyle, Please tell me how you define gay? I am straight. You seem very angry and picky, it is not very endearing. I know people who were straight and became gay, was that not there choice?. Anyway I guess we disagree so i am done with you, go pick a fight with someone who is against you.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:46 AM
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22. Angry and picky?
Wow. I don't want to know you.
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Amaril Donating Member (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:41 AM
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42. Here's a news flash for you
Those people you allegedley know who became gay were either gay and faking it in hetero relationships or they were bisexual. No one "turns" gay just like no one turns "tall" or "caucasion". Certain things are hard-wired.........sexuality is one of them.
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pwb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:11 AM
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10. Pro-choice is right, but we are labeled pro abortion, if you are not anti, you are labeled pro.
by the pukes
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:14 AM
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12. I don't GIVE a rat's arse how "we are labeled." Why do you?
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lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:12 AM
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11. I am pro abortion
Sometimes abortion is the best outcome for the woman, or the family. I am also anti-meddling, so I think people need to work this out for themselves, in consultation with their doctors or other persons of influence.

I am a liberal and a Democrat.

I don't know what "pro gay" means. If you're gay, you're gay, and that's fine with me, even though it has absolutely nothing to do with me (see anti-meddling statement, above). I didn't choose to be hetero, but I think it would be nice if everyone could just love and be loved and not worry about gender and nonsense.

I am anti sanctioned school prayer. If you want to pray silently, nobody could stop you anyway.

What I "approve" or "disapprove" of has no bearing on the law, or people's rights to behave as they will so long as they cause no harm to others.
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Coyote_Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:14 AM
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13. I am a liberal and proud of it n/t
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:31 AM
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15. "Life" and "Choice" are bumper sticker slogans invented by each side of the debate.
They were invented for one purpose only: to make the respective side sound morally superior to the other. And in doing so, all rational discussion and debate on the subject goes down the toilet. The whole issue has become a pissing match and a shit storm that spawns little but lame bumper sticker slogans.

There are other lives than the life of the fetus. And there are other choices than the choice to have an abortion.

That is why I never use the terms "pro-life" or "pro-choice" anymore. If one believes abortion shouldn't be a legal right--in either most or all circumstances--I call them "anti-abortion." If one believes abortion should be a legal right--in either most or all circumstances--I call them "abortion rights supporters." However, I do recognize that many, if not most, people who support abortion rights still recognize it as a negative, if sometimes necessary, thing, so I would agree with you and say very few, if any, are actually "pro-abortion."

But I don't call people who support abortion rights "pro-abortion" or "anti-life", nor should people who oppose abortion be called "anti-choice." Those terms are just juvenile and based on faulty, invented rhetoric.
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ohheckyeah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:37 AM
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17. I often wonder why people need the disclaimer
Edited on Wed Sep-14-11 09:38 AM by ohheckyeah
"I believe abortion should only be used as a last resort." Is it because deep down they think there is something immoral about abortion?

I'm pro-choice whether it's a first or last resort.
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:28 AM
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39. Do you agree with "safe, legal, and rare?" (nt)
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hamsterjill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:39 AM
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18. I am pro choice.
But that choice belongs to the woman who is pregnant, and it is no one else's business. If she chooses to involve the father in the decision making process, I think that's wonderful. But again it is HER choice to make. And it should be a private issue with no governmental involvement whatsoever.
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:41 AM
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19. I support the rights of women to end their pregnancies
I am in favor of having widely, readily available abortion providers.

Since it is a surgical procedure with some risks, I don't think it would be a good idea to actually seek it out. But, I trust that women know what is best for them.

I absolutely support the right of GLBT people to be respected, safe, and comfortable in their own skin.

As long as there are tests, there will be prayer in school. As long as it isn't led by a teacher that's fine with me.
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ChoppinBroccoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:41 AM
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20. I'm Pro Choice But Anti-Abortion (Personally)
The Anti-Abortion nuts LOVE to tell you that you can't be Anti-Abortion for yourself but Pro-Choice for everyone else. It's not true. I would never have an abortion (mostly because I'm a man, but I would be against my wife having an abortion--2 of our 3 children were "accidents"), but I would never deny anyone else the right to have one. See, it's because I'm not one of those people who feels like he has to force his beliefs onto everyone else and give them the force of law. It's like saying, "I don't like liver and will never eat it, but I won't stand in the way of YOUR right to eat liver."

Am I Pro-Gay? Do I even really know what that means? I simply recognize the fact that gay people are HUMAN and deserve the same rights as everyone else. If that makes me Pro-Gay, then here I am, I'm Pro-Gay.

Am I Anti-School Prayer? In reality, I'm Anti-making kids feel like outcasts, and I'm Anti-discrimination on ANY basis (including religion), and, ONCE AGAIN, I'm Anti-forcing your beliefs on everyone else (see a theme starting to emerge here?)
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:42 AM
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21. pro choice, not pro abortion. i knew a girl who used it as birth control. sleazy, but her business.
Edited on Wed Sep-14-11 09:42 AM by dionysus
i also know that the number of people using it purely for birth control is very small.

i don't agree with your line about gay as being a "life style that people choose" though...that's foul
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:46 AM
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23. Pro-abortion? Absolutely not. Pro-choice? Absolutely.
Nobody is pro-abortion.
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:00 AM
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25. Look at potential humans as carbon footprints and we'd all be pro choice.
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d_r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:05 AM
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26. I'm never been in the situation
I'm a man, but I've never been in the situation (at least that I knew of) and at this point in life I can't imagine I ever will be. Personally, at this point in life I wouldn't want to chose and abortion. And to be honest with you, I'd be really happy to live in a world where abortion never happens. I know it isn't difficult for some people, but it is difficult emotionally or physically for some and I'd be perfectly happy to live in a world where it never happened. But that would be a perfect world, where everyone planned every pregnancy and every pregnancy was wanted, and that's not this world. I know that abortion rates are no different in countries where it is illegal and where it is legal. I know that before Roe V. Wade women died having illegal abortions, and each year today thousands of women die from illegal abortions. I think that is a decision that should be left to women - it is their body - and medical professionals. I think abortion should be safe and legal. I think that if people were truly devoted to reducing abortions they should spent their time promoting programs that would make abortion less likely to happen - adequate sex education, access to contraceptives. I also think they should spend time working for programs that would reduce infant mortality, miscarriages, pre-term births - we KNOW that adequate prenatal care would reduce those. But instead of fighting for adequate access to medical care, some people chose to yell and scream about criminalizing abortion which would not prevent abortions from happening but only make them unsafe. But, no, I'm not "pro abortion."

As for your other questions, I am "pro-gay rights," I think that everyone should be treated equally and fairly under the law.

I am against school prayer because I do not think that an extension of the government should be endorsing religion, as you say not all children pray to the same god.

Labels such as "pro-life" and "pro-choice" are misnomers and overly simplified.

Honestly, I think I have some "conservative" "Small town" "American" values. I get goosebumps from 4th of July displays. But my understanding of what is "American" doesn't always seem to be the same as some folks. I believe that if people need help, we ought to pitch in and help them, and if they don't we ought to mind our own business. I believe people have rights to freedom and equality and fairness. I think a lot of people waving that American flag haven't really thought about what they are endorsing.

Another one is guns. I don't care if someone keeps a gun. Who cares. But I think there can be reasonable limits to that - guns in bars doesn't make a lot of sense to me, for example.

Oh, and I take the side of working people over management. I guess that is liberal too. I believe in a strong middle class. I believe that we are social creatures and can do things better together than we can do as isolationists - I think that human beings working together is what allowed us to have the civilization we have today.

But I tell you what, I am 100% democrat, always every day.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:07 AM
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27. I am a liberal, and I am pro-choice.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:08 AM
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28. I'm pro-abortion like I'm pro-kidney-transplant...
Edited on Wed Sep-14-11 10:10 AM by SidDithers
or pro-angioplasty.

I believe that a medical procedure should be done as often as it needs to be done, and that everyone should have access to that medical procedure if they need (or want) it.

Sid
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:08 AM
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29. Pro Gay???? Lifestyle choice??? Words have meaning. You don't choose to be gay but you can choose to
be tolerant or accepting of how another human being was born.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:10 AM
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30. I see abortion as a medical procedure that is between patient & doctor -
and I would also make birth control free upon demand if I could. With pets we've learned to spay & neuter, and birth control is the closest alternative. Prevent the problems before they happen.

But, in the end, as much as I dislike the procedure I do think it is between the woman, her god, and her doctor.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:10 AM
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31. 'Are democrats all pro-gay?, or do we just accept it as a life style if others choose it?.'
:mad: fuck off w/ that shit.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:15 AM
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32. I am pro-choice on all these issues
Edited on Wed Sep-14-11 10:17 AM by LeftishBrit
Or in the case of gays, not even 'pro-choice'; just 'pro-having-the-right-to-live-in-the-way-natural-for-you' - generally not a choice, any more than being black or white or male or female or tall or short is a choice.

What by the way is wrong with being a liberal, except when used in its 'classical liberal' economic-right sense, which I don't think is usual in the USA? For some reason, the Right treat the term as an insult.
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Mr Deltoid Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:18 AM
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33. I am pro abortion but I don't think it should be used as birth control
The republicans at work don't know how to handle it when I say that to them.
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:22 AM
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34. As a man, I do not believe I should have any say in the matter
I think it is a topic for a woman and her doctor to discuss. No one else deserves to have any input unless asked for it.
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Brother Buzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:25 AM
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35. Frank Luntz is laughing
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 11:19 AM
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46. I'd wager the OP has no clue as to who Frank Luntz even is.
And that's a huge part of the problem.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:26 AM
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36. god I hate right wing buzz words. It's Pro-Choice.
stop pushing their ball forward. They can do it themselves.
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:26 AM
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37. "Safe, legal and rare". Bill Clinton put it well. (nt)
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:26 AM
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38. I am a Democrat, I am Pro Choice
I am for equal rights for all people , anyone can pray to whomever they chose. I am a Democrat, I am a liberal.
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:38 AM
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40. I'm not pro-abortion, I am pro-choice.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:49 AM
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43. Only on Republicans.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:52 AM
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44. I'm pro abortion but only for the born again.n/t
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 11:00 AM
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45. Someone seems bothered by how the "talking heads and pukes" have defined us.
Fuck 'em. That's your first lesson.

Here are a few more:

--Understand that being gay is not a "life-style."
--Familiarize yourself with the concept of separation of church and state.
--Lose the right-wing framing of abortion.
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 11:25 AM
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47. Locking
The use of "lifestyle choice" to describe members of the GLBT community is insensitive and offensive to many members. Please feel free to repost with different language and a higher degree of sensitivity.

cbayer
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