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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 10:40 PM
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On 9/11 you really want to bury this story? Really?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Source: St. Petersburg Timest

SARASOTA Weeks after terrorists brought down the World Trade Center, FBI agents swarmed into a Sarasota gated community to investigate the mysterious disappearance of a wealthy young Saudi couple who apparently had ties to some of the hijackers.

Yet until a Fort Lauderdale website reported the news this week, no mention of the couple has ever appeared publicly not in the Sept. 11 commission report, nor in FBI briefings to congressional investigators, former Florida Sen. Bob Graham said Friday.

Graham called on President Barack Obama to reopen the case.

"This is the most important thing about 9/11 to surface in the last seven or eight years,'' Graham told the St. Petersburg Times. "It's very important for the White House to take control of this situation. The key umbrella question is: What was the full extent of Saudi involvement prior to 9/11 and why did the U.S. administration cover this up?''

Read more: http://www.tampabay.com/news/article1190773.ece
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 10:43 PM
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1. No, I don't. It is the government and their lap dog press that does.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 10:43 PM
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2. George Bush Sr was 'buddy' with the Binladins
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 12:48 PM
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17. I've heard of this book "House of Bush, House of Saud"
detailing Bush/bin Laden connections, and I remember some details of that story in Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11. Have you read the House book I just mentioned?
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freshstart Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 12:55 PM
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20. this is interesting too
Frontline, House of Saud. They keep pulling it down from youtube, but someone uploaded it to google videos.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=438383518171742...
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 01:02 PM
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27. or on PBS.org too
PBS programs dating back from the mid-90s can be found archived on the website and this is the official website for more info but not the full video. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saud /

thanks for pointing me there, i've been watching frontline regularly since around 2007 or 2008. And PBS has full episodes of its documentary programs dating around that time too.
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freshstart Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 01:26 PM
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30. You're welcome, PBS has great info
Edited on Sun Sep-11-11 01:34 PM by freshstart
There is a recent Frontline on 9/11 that I'm going to try to watch later.

This is good too, I think the guy is a BBC reporter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U80x-rug3EY

the Carlyle Group
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ6Gw_r3hB0
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 03:53 PM
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43. watching it now.....seems the core of the hatred toward the US
is our favoring Israelis over Palestinians....and it has only gotten worse as time goes on.

didn't understand it went back as far as Ike.
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freshstart Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 06:12 PM
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50. House of Saud is long, but good
I learned a lot from it from a historical perspective.

I just watched 9/11s Hidden Legacy -Top Secret America. It is also good.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 07:28 PM
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57. watching that now...Cofer Black looked like he got aroused
by "taking the gloves off" he had all the funds and approval to do whatever he wanted...he was excited...you could see it in his face.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 05:16 PM
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45. Wow. Who pulls a Frontline video from You Tube?
There are many Frontline videos on You Tube.

Who is pulling them down???
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freshstart Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 07:00 PM
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56. I'm not sure
I checked a few months ago and I couldn't find a copy of it on youtube and that is where I originally watched it.

There is an upload on youtube from May, 2011 now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_lVmLkI1i0&feature=rela...
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 09:35 PM
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63. You may have to READ it.
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FedUp_Queer Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 10:13 PM
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67. There's an app for that.
I have an iPhone and downloaded the PBS app. They have some frontline videos available. One of the best ones was about John O'Neill. I think it's called "The Man Who Knew." I'm sure there's an app for Droid.
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freshstart Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 12:49 PM
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18. So was Bush jr
He and Salem bin Laden were involved in Arbusto Oil. I'm pretty sure Salem died in a plane crash...in Texas.
http://www.denverpost.com/rodriguez/ci_4319898
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 10:46 PM
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3. Severe 9/11 Stinkage (R)
Edited on Sat Sep-10-11 10:47 PM by SpiralHawk
The Republicons can waft all the cheap phony perfumed scents they want around 9/11.

Nothing -- ultimately nothing -- can mask the stupendous stink of rancid evil rot that surrounds the whole vast sordid mess.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 06:12 PM
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51. Stinkage has surrounded the nation ever since.
Something is afoot.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 10:51 PM
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4. You should probably Ask The Administrators this instead of...
creating an OP that questions the decisions of the Moderators.
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 10:51 PM
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5. It's kinda hard to shove this under the rug
or relegate it to the 9/11 'woo' forum, for that matter. T'was merely days ago when such a revelation would garner little more than snickers and sidelong glances. I guess it takes a real milestone of an anniversary to get people to notice. I expect more of these erstwhile undisclosed incidents to surface. Why did it take 10 years? Who benefited from this obfuscation?
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 11:07 PM
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6. They didn't say anything because the Saudis own the whole lot of them
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 11:15 PM
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7. Deleted sub-thread
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 11:36 PM
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8. No No No! We are only allowed to salute, pray and memorialize
We are NOT allowed to question. Haven't you heard!
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 10:48 AM
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11. you got it. nt
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 06:33 PM
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54. BINGO
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DianaForRussFeingold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 11:55 PM
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9. Kudos to Florida Sen. Bob Graham for his courage in the pursuit of justice
:loveya: Sen.Graham~My new hero! :patriot:

:wow: Finally, someone is calling for some facts... :yourock:

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Mugweed Donating Member (939 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 12:53 PM
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19. He once gave a press conference in our office conference room
in Orlando (2006). He handed me his cell phone before he went into the office and said "Take messages, but don't be afraid to interrupt me if it's important." I was so scared to touch the thing, but I'll forever wonder about the numbers he had programmed in that thing.
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DianaForRussFeingold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 03:11 PM
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40. Wow... one of the good guys!
Edited on Sun Sep-11-11 04:02 PM by DianaForRussFeingold
I hope he stays well!

I was going to post this video but decided not to.
edited to add(computer trouble at the time)

Former Sen.Bob Graham says the censored 911 report(27 pages)
should be made available to the public...
"Former Florida Senator and Governor, Bob Graham talks about Saudi Arabia involvement with 911"-CNN; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTBx9YHCdwE
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 09:38 PM
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65. I really wanted him.......
for President in 2004!
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FedUp_Queer Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 10:15 PM
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68. A real Democrat has stood up.
I wish Bob Graham would try to run for president (not just because of this, but because the guy is a pretty principled fella). Although, I think he tried once, but he just wasn't all shiny and cool.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 10:47 AM
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10. the primary legacy of 9/11 is....
....that a real investigation has not yet taken place.

questions must be answered. mihop until proven otherwise.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 01:01 PM
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26. +1000. The 911 commission was a complete fraud perpetrated on
the American public by the Bush cabal. A few flunkies with a limited budget tasked with not assessing blame. Total bullshit.

I googled PNAC this morning and didn't get a single hit on a corporate media outlet. The American public remains woefully ignorant of the "New Pearl Harbor" that provided cover for the invasion of Iraq. LIHOP/MIHOP - one or the other. The Bush administration needed this.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 03:13 PM
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42. "mihop until proven otherwise. "
exactly! :patriot:
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noise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 11:31 AM
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12. This sort of conspiracy thread
Edited on Sun Sep-11-11 11:32 AM by noise
makes the left look bad and detracts from desperately needed national unity.

Why is it so hard for some people on DU to understand that our Homeland leaders deserve unconditional trust?
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 12:07 PM
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14. So true. But I'm off to get my chocolate now. The ration has been raised
to 20 grams this month.
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 12:55 PM
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21. Conspiracy Thread? I suppose the St Petersburg times is just another National Enquirer rag to you!
New evidence links Saudi Arabia to 9/11 hijackers: Graham

By Stephen Nohlgren and Susan Taylor Martin
In Print: Saturday, September 10, 2011



Abdulazzi al-Hiijjii, his wife and twins lived in this home in the Prestancia community of Sarasota. They left everything behind.


Or did you forget the :sarcasm: Smiley?
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 12:59 PM
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22. You forgot something
Edited on Sun Sep-11-11 12:59 PM by Maccagirl
:sarcasm:
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 05:53 PM
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47. I'm sorry I used up all the sarcasm smilies - this post suffered for the lack of one
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 11:44 AM
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13. This is the third time I've K and R'd this story on DU. And I'll continue to do so
Too important to drop off the front page (or into the dungeon)
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 12:34 PM
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15. k&r
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 12:45 PM
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16. "An inside job? How dare you? How dare you?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FjPJi3HMDw

"Are you one of those inside job guys?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjPtK9Yzv3o&feature=rela...

Thanks for you support, Bill. Oh, and Hillary wants to end the war? I did not know that.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 01:01 PM
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25. and shrub was in a school in Sarasota on 9/11....what is the draw
to that city?
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 01:51 PM
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34. That was completely odious of him.
Clinton cannot possibly be THIS clueless. Or maybe he is.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 12:59 PM
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23. Does anyone wonder why we are called
"TRUTHERS" instead of "LIARS?"
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 01:00 PM
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24. K&R
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 01:14 PM
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29. jesus......According to BrowardBulldog.org, the counterterrorism agent said Ghazzawi and Abdulazzi H
Edited on Sun Sep-11-11 01:15 PM by Gin
According to BrowardBulldog.org, the counterterrorism agent said Ghazzawi and Abdulazzi Hiijii were both on the FBI's watch list before Sept. 11.


they do whatever they damn well please....this land is their land.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 02:34 PM
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37. Is that this article? Some strong statements by Graham in it.
http://www.browardbulldog.org/2011/09/graham-asks-obama... /

Reached Saturday afternoon, Graham said the FBIs assertion that it had made all of its 9/11 information available to Congress was not credible.

~~~

A counterterrorism agent said Ghazzawi, a middle-aged financier and interior designer, and al-Hiijii were both on a watch list at the FBI and that a U.S. agency involved in tracking terrorist funds was interested in both men prior to 9/11.

~~~

Graham has long believed that Bayoumi was not the only Saudi in the U.S. to provide support for the hijackers.

What Sarasota adds to me is that, yes, there was a networkthat it may have involved other people who were known to be very loyal to the crown and were willing to undertake this responsibility for protecting and facilitating the hijackers in different areas.


And agree with your assessment Gin.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 01:06 PM
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 01:34 PM
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31. Nobody in gov't wants to know the Saudi's role in all this.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 05:27 PM
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46. And isn't that because...
They had to have our focus on IRAQ, in order to justify war with Iraq?

If there was any attention on other countries, the obvious question would
be, "Well then, why aren't we invading Saudi Arabia?"

Nope. These bastards ("these bastards" being the PNACers) wanted Iraq
for years. They even asked Bill Clinton for war with Iraq, and begged
him to do it, in a letter to then-President Bill Clinton. The letter
is up on the PNAC site.

Here is a link--signed by many, including: Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Bolton,
Perle. The letter is dated 1998. These chumps were salivating for war
with Iraq for years. This letter is proof. 9/11 gave them the open
door. It's all just beyond the pale...

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm
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bamademo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 06:31 PM
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53. Did they remove the part about Pearl Harbor?
I read the original and i remember it said that America wouldn't have the stomach for an Iraq war unless there was another Pearl Harbor like event.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 08:40 PM
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60. Last time I looked through the PNAC documents...
..."Pearl Harbor" was included. I've never found anything omitted or changed.

Amazing, isn't it, that these bastards put their evil, psychopathic plan online? It's like
they're mocking us. If you read it, they're plan is unfolding pretty much as they wanted.
The wanted Iraq first, then Iran, Syria then Libya. They have Iraq...and I don't think Bush Jr
had the will or public support to go after Iran. However, now they have Libya and they've
begun the PR and marketing for Syria.

Meanwhile, even with their warmongering plot online for all to see--most of the American public
laps up the baloney that is used to justify all of this war. The justifications, clearly, are
bunk.

Their published plan reveals that they want to plunder that region and establish a foothold
in it--for the purposes of world domination.

We can't say we weren't warned.

Remember that quote from the Bush aide that appeared in the Ron Suskind article in the NY Times,
"We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that realityjudiciously, as you willwe'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actorsand you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

In other words, they are fake liars who are "acting" and they laugh their asses off as we are one step
behind them, "studying" what they do--while they create new, sick realities. It's all by design.

We all sit here--arguing, analyzing, guessing and blowing off steam about what these bastards do and
have done. Really, we need to put a stop to it--and stop ruminating about what they're doing. We
need to stop second-guessing ourselves and doubting ourselves as conspiracy theorists. Our democracy
is slipping away and these neocons are doing such heinous things to the world, to our planet and to
the political landscape. These bastards represent US.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 08:47 PM
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61. in the pdf titled...
"rebuilding america's defenses" page 63!
1st full paragraph.
www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.p...
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whosinpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 01:37 PM
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32. someone wants their money back
Edited on Sun Sep-11-11 02:32 PM by whosinpower
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

And they are sueing to get it. Saudi Arabia that is.

10 years later, what we all guessed to be the truth eventually floats to the top.

Read the PDF which names the defendants who are the "golden chain".
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ProfessionalLeftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 01:49 PM
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33. 16 of the hijackers were from Saud, is what I read. n/t
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 02:22 PM
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35. It's mind boggling
that everyone can speak the mantra, the talking points "We shall never forget" which, on the surface, makes them look like such compassionate people, but ask the serious questions about what really happened, and you're attacked before you even finish your question. The 9-11 Commission was political, only reported what they were 100% in agreement with, omitted almost every important detail, and still never followed through with implementing anything suggested in it.

I hurt for all those lives affected by this horrible tragedy, but I hate hearing all the rhetoric from the same people who use it to advance their own political gains while ignoring the true heros and victims of that day. It's so disgusting. It's hard to listen to or watch.
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Michigan-Arizona Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 02:25 PM
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36. K&R n/t
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Shining Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 02:55 PM
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38. "Graham called on President Barack Obama to reopen the case."
I won't hold my breath.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 03:11 PM
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41. We must give cover to the Bush War Crimes
And look forward to the future, blah, blah, blah.

If Obama really was interested in restoring confidence and dispelling uncertainty in the economy and the nation, he'd pursue justice wherever it lead.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 06:35 PM
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55. Certainly wouldnt want to embarrass war criminals...
they or their buddies might not play golf with you again.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 03:06 PM
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39. k & friggin r! nt
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 04:42 PM
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44. reminds me of the mysterious case of the Dentist of 9/11...
David Graham, a dentist from Louisiana, stumbled onto the path of three 9/11 hijackers 10 months before the attacks. Graham reported his encounter several times to the FBI but never heard back. In September 2006 he died under highly suspicious circumstances.
The Dentist, the 9/11 Hijackers and the FBI
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Sancho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 05:57 PM
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48. yep..my st pete times post was sent to the dungeon..
I can understand that Puff the Magic Dragon may be fiction. When a US Senator in a reputable paper investigates a coverup.....maybe that's different.

Who knows?
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 06:08 PM
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49. A very interesting but neglected book about
the Florida connections and activities of the terrorists was written by Daniel Hopsicker:

Welcome to Terrorland: Mohamed Atta & the 9-11 Cover-up in Florida by Daniel Hopsicker (Oct 1, 2005)
(

it is still available on Amazon.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 06:17 PM
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52. K&R n/t
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 08:11 PM
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58. K&R...
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 08:13 PM
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59. K&R
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orbitalman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 09:07 PM
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62. K & R
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 09:37 PM
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64. K&R nt
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 10:06 PM
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66. Go Bob Graham!
His recent book "The Keys to the Kingdom" has some interesting conclusions around the Saudi connections...
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DianaForRussFeingold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-11 11:43 AM
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71. Thank You! Here's a video~ BookTV: Bob Graham, "Keys to the Kingdom"
I'm watching it now-It is interesting! :pals:

Former Senator Graham discusses his novel at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C...
C-SPAN Youtube video;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEpJNoz8hEs
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 10:18 PM
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69. If Bob Graham said that, then it must be true.
I don't think he's scared of telling the truth.
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felix_numinous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 10:46 PM
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70. K&R!!
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