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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 02:46 PM
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Interesting - SF is letting people walk around butt naked
Message to nudists: At least be sanitary



Supervisor Scott Wiener will introduce legislation today intended to get to the bottom of the gross-out factor when it comes to public nudity.

His proposal would require people who bare all for all to see to at the very least place a towel or like item underneath them when they sit down. The proposed restrictions also would require nudists to cover up before they enter a restaurant.

Wiener represents the Castro District, where over the last year it has become increasingly common to see guys au natural (except, perhaps, for donning a pair of sneakers or flip-flops) walking down the street or gathering in the popular plaza at Market and 17th streets.

City officials have, for the most part, kept hands off the naked guys, not wanting to offend those who embrace an anything-goes culture of tolerance that has made San Francisco famous.

However, some nearby business owner and residents, including parents with young kids, have said enough is enough, and have called on officials to crack down on the nudists.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/cityinsider/detail?...


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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 02:46 PM
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1. LOL. That title was worded perfectly. nt
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 02:47 PM
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2. Gotta love SF.
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WingDinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 04:06 PM
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47. Texas is the place that needs it. On several levels.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 02:48 PM
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3. Is that Mike Wolfe on the left and what the hell is he picking in SanFran?
:rofl:

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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 02:49 PM
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7. looks more like actor Jeremy irons to me
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 02:48 PM
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4. Good Christ, I don't want to see everyone's waggling junk everywhere I go.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 02:49 PM
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5. Makes sense; put on some boxers at least; on the other hand,
how many complainants let their dirty unwashed dogs walk around naked, even bringing them into restaurants and delis?
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 02:49 PM
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6. "Wiener represents the Castro District"
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 02:50 PM
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8. "Crack down" is part of the problem.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 02:53 PM
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13. All "Cracks Down," no "Cracks Up" in public! LOL n/t
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 02:50 PM
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9. In this weather?
San Francisco summer. :scared:
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 03:54 PM
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40. The coldest winter I ever experienced
was a summer in San Francisco.

Mark Twain
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 02:51 PM
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10. Pah. San Francisco's vaunted 'anything goes tolerance' is overrated.
As opposed to Portland, where people genuinely don't give a shit. We had 10,000 nude folks on bicycles ride through the city in May, no one batted an eye.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 02:51 PM
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11. Sounds like fun! Do that here they'd put you in psych eval. for the rest of your life. Probably
list one as a predator too.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 02:51 PM
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12. "The proposed restrictions also would require nudists to cover up before they enter a restaurant."
Edited on Tue Sep-06-11 02:55 PM by MilesColtrane
Proponents of the change in code are calling it the, "HEY! I'm tryin' to eat over here! ordinance".
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 02:55 PM
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14. Some people will go (or, show) to any lengths to prove they're right.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 03:06 PM
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24. What was it that David Niven said about the streaker that crossed the stage
at the 1974 Oscar Ceremony? Oh, yeah. The only laugh that man will ever get in his life is by stripping ... and showing his shortcomings.



These guys look a little long in the tooth for such a juvenile trick.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 03:12 PM
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27. And, some will simply remain silent to show that they're the bigger man.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 02:55 PM
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15. Ah, I love this town, but one thing I've never understood:
How the hell people can walk around naked without freezing their asses, etc, off! Geez I am rarely able to leave home without a jacket!
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 02:56 PM
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16. Do you not see that they have hats on?
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 03:01 PM
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21. LOL !!!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 02:56 PM
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17. San Francisco isn't exactly Florida weather...
Edited on Tue Sep-06-11 02:58 PM by AsahinaKimi
Why would anyone want to walk around at night like this? oh, and..whats with the cap guys? If your head is warm, doesn't mean your butt will be! Can anyone say "Hypothermia" ? :scared: co co co co co cold!
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 02:59 PM
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19. lots of blood vessels in the head. lots of heat loss from head.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 03:59 PM
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66. no but how about
"shrinkage"?
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 02:57 PM
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18. Wait. Why are nudists wearing hats?
I mean, if it's cold, then shouldn't they just put on some clothing? :shrug:

Sort of just proves that it isn't about comfort.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 03:21 PM
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31. Doesn't prove anything. nt
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 03:00 PM
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20. Shrug. We're all naked under our clothing.
It's a matter of very minor interest to me if someone walks by unclothed. I've seen many naked people in my lifetime. :shrug:
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 03:02 PM
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22. "Mommy...why is that man naked?"
Edited on Tue Sep-06-11 03:03 PM by MineralMan
"I don't know, dear. People do strange things sometimes. Did you want juice or milk with your sandwich?"
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 03:30 PM
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37. *Thank You*!!
Parenting protip: Huge fusses are rarely required.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 03:39 PM
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39. That's how my Mom did it, way back in the 1950s when I was growing up.
Completely unflappable, she'd turn anything into a brief lesson, usually in tolerance. One of my favorite memories of my Mom was the time, when I was about six years old, that I brought this 12" long alligator lizard into the kitchen. A member of the skink family, they're around California and generally bite and hang on when handled. This one had a firm hold on my finger and wasn't about to let go. I displayed this situation to my mother, who was in the middle of cooking dinner. Her response?

"That's a very interesting lizard, Richard. When it lets go, turn it loose in the back yard and wash up for dinner."

Then, she turned back to her task.

Nothing surprised her. Nothing rattled her. She simply found a simple way to deal with anything that happened. That attitude was catching.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 03:00 PM
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62. LOL!
:thumbsup:

PB
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emmadoggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 04:31 PM
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68. OMG, that is so awesome.
I would love to be that sort of mom. Occasionally, I might manage it, but most often not. Kudos to your mom. Very cool.

:)
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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 03:05 PM
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63. + + +
Edited on Wed Sep-07-11 03:05 PM by FedUpWithIt All
Not feeling the outrage.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 03:04 PM
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23. I'm not a prude and I don't care what I see, but for the sake of other people,
Edited on Tue Sep-06-11 03:06 PM by begin_within
who may or may not want to see a nude person - and you can't know ahead of time whether they want to or not - I'm in favor of enforcing nudity laws in public places. Except of course when the place is specifically designated as clothing-optional, such as a beach which has a sign indicating that. Or at a privately-run event such as the Folsom Street Fair or Burning Man or whatever. But not as an everyday thing anywhere you want. I think that forcing people to accept nudity in a location where it is not normally expected is a violation of their own rights. It's making the choice for them whether they want to see nudity or not. And nobody has that right. Even though I don't care myself whether a person goes nude in public, other people do care and will be offended, and we need to respect their rights. Making the choice for them as to whether they will or will not see nudity is a violation of their own right to choose what they see.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 03:10 PM
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25. There is no right to choose what one sees
The same argument is sometimes made about two clothed men holding hands and kissing in public.

Case in point: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 03:11 PM
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26. I certainly have the right to choose what I see. Even if you don't.
And I will fight you to the death to defend my right to choose what I see and what I don't see.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 03:14 PM
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28. Once you are out in public, you can look away if you want to
but you can't force people engaged in legal activity to abstain just because you don't wish to see it.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 03:14 PM
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29. That's gonna be tough with your eyes closed

I know what I'm wearing to that fight, lol.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 03:24 PM
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33. Sure, just close your eyes, or look elsewhere. nt
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 03:58 PM
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42. Then you can exercise that right
by turning your head.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 05:43 PM
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54. Really?
Try urinating in a public place and see what happens. If people don't have a right to choose what they don't want to see, there wouldn't be public indecency laws.

and it's not going to be all about public safety, either.

I don't even think you'd get away with pissing in your own pickle jar with a cap on it.

Even if people don't have a Constitutional right to choose what they do or don't want to see, there's always that silly little thing called consideration for the sensitivities of others within reason.

I'm not bothered by two guys holding hands in public. Actually, I'm less bothered by that than I am by seeing a heterosexual couple sucking face with their hands all over each other in public.

So yeah...people can pretty much do what they want in public as long as it's legal, but that doesn't always mean it's right and that they're not going to be viewed as gigantically selfish assholes for purposely offending others.



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DrunkenBoat Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 03:19 PM
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30. Why is this not a sex offense? In most locations, flashing your genitals at people
will get you arrested for indecent exposure.

I agree with the folks who said it's not about what it's supposedly about.

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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 03:23 PM
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32. Flashing them at SELECT INDIVIDUALS is indecent exposure. Flashing them at EVERYBODY
is freedom of expression.
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DrunkenBoat Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 03:25 PM
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34. LOL. That says something about something.
Edited on Tue Sep-06-11 03:25 PM by DrunkenBoat
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 03:57 PM
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41. Technically it is.
California has a public indecency law that clearly bans any sort of outdoor public nudity anywhere in the state. San Francisco, which has a long tradition of allowing public nudity, has simply never enforced the law. Still, there is NOTHING stopping a CHP officer from citing or arresting someone in the city for walking down the sidewalk naked. It just doesn't happen because the CHP typically leaves enforcement of "social" laws to the local police departments (though, on rare occasions, CHP officers WILL sometimes cite people in SF for nudity if they're pulled over for a traffic stop and are found to be driving naked).

In practice, most police departments in California don't go out of their way to harass nudists unless there's an actual complaint. Aside from a handful of dark red counties, most police departments have better things to do. Even when there is a complaint, officers will typically warn first, rather than going straight to an arrest for indecent exposure ("Look, we've had a complaint. Cover up or we'll have to write you a ticket"). More often than not, they're more irritated at having to deal with a stupid call than at the actual nudity itself.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 04:05 PM
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45. all the decades living in calif from one end to the other i never saw anyone walking around nude
Edited on Tue Sep-06-11 04:05 PM by seabeyond
lets not pretend it is like an every day thing.

was in san francisco a year ago for a week not a single naked person wandering around.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 04:39 PM
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49. Even in areas where it's tolerated, it's still uncommon.
Most naturists rarely leave their own property without clothes on. I've been to a few beaches without clothes, and once spent a few days camping in the Emigrant Wilderness wearing nothing but boots and a backpack, but that's about it. Oh, and the Bay to Breakers...did that naked too :)

There are some people who walk around naked to make a political statement, but for most naturists it's just about comfort. Most naturists don't go nude in public places with a lot of people simply because it's uncomfortable to have everyone staring at you.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 04:51 PM
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50. there was the time at the hot springs by bishop
a group of us, but then it was night, all teenagers out to have fun, lol

that is about the only time situation i saw naked.

or a private pool
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DrunkenBoat Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:50 PM
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59. Beaches I get. A major city I don't. And it ain't about comfort when the 'nudists' are
Edited on Tue Sep-06-11 10:50 PM by DrunkenBoat
wearing winter hats. SF isn't tropical, even in the summer.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 03:27 PM
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35. Been There, Seen That...
We were on a bus riding back from a wonderful afternoon in Wine Country. As we drove through the Italian neighborhood...5pm on a Friday afternoon...there was some dude, butt naked, walking down the street next to our bus. Didn't seem to bother many of the bystanders...looked normal to them. Half of us on the bus broke out in laughter the other half just sat there with their jaws hung open.

:rofl:
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 03:28 PM
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36. Public nudity is awesome. I'm very happy for the tolerant people of SF.
A towel ordinance is a good compromise. Maybe they can use their cute hats as a towel.
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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 03:31 PM
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38. Sounds quaint. We'll have to visit SF some time and do some people watching.
:toast:

Anyone who has cleaned urinals will know to be leery of bare pubes strolling past a dinner table, though.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 04:00 PM
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43. True in Seattle too.
There's an annual naked bike ride here. The law is that the nudity can't be for 'lewd' purposes.

But even still, there aren't a bunch of people walking around naked. Not even at the beach.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 04:03 PM
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44. Witnessed this many times.
My favorite time was about a year ago while I walking up Castro behind two cops. As I passed a couple of homeless kids smoking weed on my right, to my left, a naked man in socks and sneakers casually walked by, holding his clothes in his arms. The cops didn't even blink an eye. And it wasn't even Halloween!
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Broderick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 04:06 PM
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46. I think the beach is a leper colony at times
and this has got to be worse. Just my opinion however. I tend to stay away from places where I see shit I don't want to see. Bumps, cottage cheese, skin socks full of boulders, marks, bullet wounds, scars, sagging things, hairy beasts, etc. Such a prude. LOL. Have at it though if that is what tickles your fancies.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 04:32 PM
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48. I'm not sure it would be worse. Think of all the regrettable swimwear you won't see.
My favorite was the time I saw a really hairy guy--we're talking carpet back--who'd shaved his chest, back, and shoulders down to just above his nipples. I guess he wanted to look his best in a strapless gown. :-)
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Broderick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 04:57 PM
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52. Honestly in America
The beaches are not what the shows present on tv, like Baywatch. Not one bit. Rather sit for hours at the local DMV, another place that seems to remind me of a leper colony. Not that I am all that and a bag of chips, and I for one always dress modest at the beach - never forgo a shirt and longer britches. I don't want to be "that guy" people get uneasy looking at.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 04:53 PM
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51. "Cover up" in restaurants? But that's why they call it "dip"!!
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 05:30 PM
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53. I have a picture of some naked guys
at a protest rally in San Francisco a few years ago. Nobody paid them any attention (except me, because I thought they made a great shot). :)

http://northernvisions.smugmug.com/Politics/United-for-...

I see they didn't bring any towels with them.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 05:53 PM
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55. I don't have a problem with seeing nude people
But then I'm an artists who sketches nudes.
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TheManInTheMac Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 06:47 PM
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56. Only problem I have with people who go nude in public is
that it's never anyone you WANT to see nude.
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bengalherder Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 07:32 PM
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57. When I stayed a a nudist resort once
Edited on Tue Sep-06-11 07:34 PM by bengalherder
We were required to carry a towel for seating surfaces, etc.

Gay guys nude in the castro don't bother me much.

At least I have occasional eye candy.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 07:38 PM
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58. Not women. Its illegal to go topless everywhere but NY City (oddly enough).
But you can't go nude in NY. So there's that.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 11:13 PM
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60. Hardly. We had a big naked bike marathon here in Portland a few months ago
trust me, it wasn't just men.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 04:08 PM
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67. Oh it's still illegal, but obviously Portland chose not to enforce it, especially for that event. nt
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 02:58 PM
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61. And as defined by that photo, it's still always the wrong people who go naked
Where are the sexy 22 year olds? :evilgrin:
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 03:07 PM
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64. Um, that's BUCK Naked
Jeez, did anyone pay attention in Redneck English class?
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 03:09 PM
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65. LOL! Yeah, it's mostly "buck naked" but I've heard butt naked also
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BigDemVoter Donating Member (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 04:51 PM
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69. Scott Wiener is such a fucking W-I-E-N-E-R!
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