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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:09 PM
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Forget Obama... Wikileaks May Be Getting Us Out Of Iraq !!!
Leaked UN letter may be trouble for US/Iraq talks
By LARA JAKES - Associated Press,QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA - Associated Press | AP
Fri, Sep 2, 2011

<snip>

BAGHDAD (AP) Negotiations to keep U.S. troops in Iraq came under new strain Friday in the wake of WikiLeaks' release of a U.N. letter alleging that an Iraqi family was handcuffed and shot in the head in a 2006 raid by American forces not accidentally killed in an airstrike.

Iraq's government said Friday it will investigate the new allegations. And some officials said that the document was reason enough for Iraq to force the American military to leave instead of signing a deal allowing troops to stay beyond a year-end departure deadline.

<snip>

Link: http://news.yahoo.com/leaked-un-letter-may-trouble-us-i...

:shrug:
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:12 PM
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1. Whatever it takes.. Let's pack it in and get the hell out!!!
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:19 PM
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3. I agree! Long past the time to be out of both countries. Get our people out.
And, don't forget the money. I realize it will still cost to bring everyone/thing home, but we've done enough damage and don't need to do more. We went for Bin Laden and got him. That's it.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:26 PM
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8. Bin Laden has nothing to do with Iraq. Never did.
No way is the Plutocracy going to leave oil behind, nor going to leave the circle of military threat that has been built up to keep Russia and China from grabbing ME resources.

Read Brzezinski's books...he has explained the plan for years, and sure enough, that is what it is, now.
Read PNAC...it is what is, now.

If Bin Laden HAD been the reason for us being in Iraq, we would be leaving NOW, wouldn't we?
And yet, strangely, that is not happening plus we are staying in Afghanistan, expanding into Pakistan,
expanding into Africa....

Maps tell the tale.
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:35 PM
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10. I said to get our people out of BOTH countries. I never said Bin Laden had anything to do
with 911.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 01:09 PM
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60. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
Bin Laden had everything to do with it.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:38 PM
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12. They didn't build that huge embassy to leave
:puke:
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raouldukelives Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 10:37 AM
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40. Exactly
If they ever do remove the troops it will be some double speak like we removed all the "combat troops". The Vatican sized embassy will remain stacked to the brim and I suspect a plethora of mercenaries to assure day to day safety of the oil corporations operations.
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 11:57 AM
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51. True enough
But we've thrown away SO MUCH over there already. Let the Iraqis have that fortress to do with as they see fit.
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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:25 PM
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20. If we were a peaceful nation and not under the command of the MIC,
we would have drastically reduced our military spending when the cold war ended, and not had to declare the bogus war on terror that has ended up shocking and bankrupting ourselves.
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SusanaMontana41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 10:04 AM
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33. Interesting how that works, isn't it?
The Nobel Committee is recalling its Peace Prize ...
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 11:11 AM
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42. You know that. I know that.
Leon Panetta, on the other hand...

Panetta makes 9/11 gaffe in Iraq
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/07/11/panetta-makes-911... /

Newly appointed US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta told American troops in Baghdad on Monday that 9/11 was the reason they were in Iraq, before he was quickly corrected by his spokesman.

"The reason you guys are here is because of 9/11. The US got attacked and 3,000 human beings got killed because of Al-Qaeda," Panetta told about 150 soldiers at the Camp Victory US base.

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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:29 PM
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9. Bin Laden wins when the USA goes bankrupt fighting boogiemen.
The war profiteers win big too.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:01 PM
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17. And Wall Street acquires more INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL SECURITY. nt
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 05:34 PM
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23. Bin Ladin is dead. Its the Fascists that win..
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 11:33 AM
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47. Indeed-- can't be emphasized enough
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 11:47 AM
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50. Never should've gone in the first place!
What did the Iraqi people ever do to us?
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MJJP21 Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 12:25 PM
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55. NEVER
This was never about Bin Laden. Bin Laden was never in Iraq and Iraq never had WMD's.
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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:03 PM
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19. Whatever. Get out, then keep the regime dependent on
US military hardware made possible with those special IMF/World Bank loans.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:18 PM
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2. Justice!!!
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:21 PM
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4. No wonder ruling elites -- and their acolytes -- hate transparency...
n/t
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 07:13 AM
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27. +1
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 12:09 PM
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53. ding ding ding
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:22 PM
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5. Wikileaks is simply old fashioned journalism
If we had journalism like we used to have in the 60's and 70's we wouldn't need wikileaks! I grew up with the uncensored Vietnam war on the TV nightly! It was horrifying. If we had more realistic horror on the news, and stopped all this support military butchering bullshit, we would not have a collapsing economy, out of control deficit spending, and record numbers of suicidal soldiers!

Wikileaks and the internet may save the world.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 07:23 AM
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28. +1 A few extremely leading front page stories above the fold
with pictures, because Americans have trouble with attention spans. And unflinching cover stories on every major weekly for a few weeks would DO it. Tragically, amoral embedded American mainstream media chose to stand down 10 years ago on the ugly realities of both wars.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:22 PM
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6. we can only hope!
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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:24 PM
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7. The power of the press had better work
when the president and commander in chief is handcuffed by the military, big business, and CIA?

But then what? Elect a congress to end wars, like we did in 2006, or peacefully march with no TV coverage, like again?

But in any case, thank goodness someone is making the corrupt government actions more transparent.
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Kalidurga Donating Member (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:37 PM
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11. I hoep the Iraqi governent kicks our troops out...
because I don't think they will be able to go just because the war is over. If that was the case they would have packed it in when Saddam was swinging and before he body was cold, that didn't happen. I and actually even see the need for troops to make sure that the Iraqis had their first election go as smoothly as possible. But, it shouldn't take the cold blooded murder of a family for us to get out or be kicked out. We should have been out long ago. The argument to go in was weak and people on both sides made their cases, but I can't see any reasonable person saying that staying indefinitely is a good thing.
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 11:28 AM
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45. +1000
exactly on all counts!

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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 11:57 AM
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52. I hope we don't send in the jackals.
The financial interests of the MIC & multinationals have an awful lot of sway. They overrule govts all the time. Even if our troops go, will the contractors stay to enforce their will? So messed up!

Welcome to DU!!! :hi:
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:39 PM
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13. I'm sure they'll find a way to stay. All those multi-million dollar
bases can't go to waste after all. But if this helps in any way, good for Wikileaks for reporting facts. We've had enough propaganda.

Iraqis have asked that all foreign military leave their country. Some democracy we created there. As the Egyptian revolutionaries said 'we do not want a US style Democracy' demonstrating the harm done by the Neocon wars we were forced into. They succeeded in making Democracy a bad word.
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:45 PM
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14. Iraq is business as usual.
Iraq is an oil-grab by the oligarchs, fueled by ignorance and hatred, and supported by the blood, sweat, tears and treasure of the American people and the people we maim, torture and murder in the nations we brutally invade.

In other words, the war in Iraq is nothing but business as usual here in the Great Satan.
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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:35 PM
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21. Smile when you say that,
sister.
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BOG PERSON Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:47 PM
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15. wikileaks might have blood on its hands
:sarcasm:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:54 PM
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16. OMG. I can only imagine how much of this kind of thing is in all those documents!
Now we leave with even MORE shame...if that's even possible. No wonder the government has been fighting like dogs to stop Wikileaks. I'm sorry to say, this horrendous story just doesn't surprise me. Under Cheney and the idiot-in-chief, anything was possible. Now...who is responsible for the cover up?
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:01 PM
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18. I hope Wikileaks continues to embarrass this shady disgusting US Government at every turn.
If they manage to make the US look like the nasty thugs they are when it comes to Iraq, Afghanistan, Gitmo and every other foreign policy convenient explanation to torture and assault other mostly innocent human beings, then hopefully we can be shamed out of a lot of places we should not be.

The do-no-wrong, elementary school Social Studies 'innocence' of America where we were taught that we fought for what was good and right in the world, is the most hyperinflated bullshit facade every and the entire concept of American Exceptionalism needs to be destroyed. Crush it. Bring it down to street level for Americans to see what evil people we have elected or allowed to steal office the past 30 years or more.

Obama has continued these policies... sure he proclaimed an end to torture but he just outsourced it. He has continued these wars. They are his now.

And all of them: Obama, Bush, Cheney, etc... deserve to be railed in public over what we have done. I say bring on the leaks full force. Shame these bastards at every street corner.

Rp
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 04:40 PM
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22. Rent out that giant embarrassment of an embassy and get OUT.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 05:41 PM
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24. My fingers are crossed. nt
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dgauss Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:47 PM
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25. This is stuff I'd like to know about. Does that mean I'm a radical?

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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 10:13 AM
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37. Yes, and a TRAITOR!
:sarcasm:
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 07:12 AM
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26. Thank you for posting this.
K & R.
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wakemewhenitsover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 07:53 AM
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29. But the US has the moral high ground!
:sarcasm:
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dogmoma56 Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 09:56 AM
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30. there is no high ground in a shit hole
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Broderick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 09:57 AM
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31. I thought we were out of Iraq and Afghanistan
Obama told me we would be when he was campaigning.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 10:09 AM
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35. No he didn't.
As a candidate, he said he'd reduce US troop levels in Iraq from about 150,000 when he took office to about 35,000 - 50,000 by summer of 2010. Which he did.

And, as a candidate, he said he would INCREASE troop levels in Afghanistan.

It helps if you listen to what they actually say.
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Broderick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 10:23 AM
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39. Well it morphed as his came in
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 09:59 AM
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32. I love how they want us to go... the American people want to leave... and the government stays.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 10:09 AM
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34. The only thing I praise Ronald Reagan for...
...is having enough sense to Cut & Run in Lebanon, 1983.
He KNEW better than to stay in a Middle Eastern country where we were not wanted.


50,000 armed, combat trained troops with On Call Air Support staying in Iraq indefinitely is NOT
Ending the WAR and bringing the troops home.

It IS Permanent Military Occupation.


You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

Solidarity!
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 10:10 AM
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36. We are already getting out of Iraq
The only exception under discussion was 10,000 training troops. The Iraqis turned that down. Obama is getting us out of Iraq.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 10:14 AM
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38. Kick!
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 11:02 AM
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41. Find out what kind of liquor Julian Assange drinks & send some to all the 'journalists' covering DC
Edited on Mon Sep-05-11 11:02 AM by kenny blankenship
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 11:12 AM
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43. It sometimes makes a better cocktail than grape Kool Aid...
Don't you think?

:P
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 11:14 AM
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44. All Iraq has to do is ask WHY is the USA still there?
Not like we have a good answer.
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 11:38 AM
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48. There are lots of good answers to that question
Its just that none of them are true. And none of the true answers are good.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 11:32 AM
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46. I sure hope so
Since we won't leave, hopefully they will actually kick us out.
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on point Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 11:40 AM
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49. Yep, the (Obama!!) admin has been hinting it wants to stay with trial balloons every couple of weeks
Let's not let them. Never should have gone and long since time to go. The Iraqis have the right to self determination for their own country and should be rid of us. US paid contractors too.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 12:14 PM
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54. This is from Friday - has any mainstream media picked this up since then?
just wondering...
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hay rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 12:26 PM
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56. Withdraw the troops and call it deficit reduction.
Morons.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 12:31 PM
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57. Fantastic! Does that mean we won't have to cut
budgets for Medicare, Medicaid ,Social Security and schools etc?
Fat chance!
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 12:44 PM
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58. That's amusing.
Iraq actually thinks it has a say in whether US forces stay or go.

This "we may stay if Iraq asks us" to is a bs dog and pony show. MIC profit numbers will be the determining factor.
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webDude Donating Member (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 01:07 PM
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59. The only way that we are out of there is kicking and screaming. Who's gonna...
...be the one to do it? I think not. We went there to dominate and seize their assets.
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april Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 01:25 PM
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61. We have been there to long we are broke while the war mongers
want this to continue for BIG PROFIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LIES from our Government as always ./
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