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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:23 AM
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Obama Better Give One Hell of a Speech - John Nichols/TheNation
Edited on Sun Sep-04-11 01:01 PM by WillyT
Obama Better Give One Hell of a Speech
John Nichols - TheNation
September 2, 2011

2. To inspire that confidence, he must be willing to say that his plan is essential and cannot be compromised or dialed down. Obamas failure to do this with the original stimulus plan of 2009 robbed that initiative of the resources needed to provide a sufficient jump-start to the economy.

3. Obamas plan must provide incentives for the private sector to create jobs in the United Statesnot overseas. If he includes a major free-trade component his initiative willaccording to studies by government and non-government analystslead to increased unemployment.

4. Obamas plan must recognize that the most severe layoffs right now are taking place at the state and local government and school district levels550,000 jobs lost since the fall of 2008. State and local government layoffs are triply damaging to the economy, as they create greater unemployment, reduce buying power for teachers and others who tend to spend a lot on Main Street for supplies, and cut services that are more needed in a time of recession. The president needs to include federal funding to keep local government functioning and even, where possible, to expand services. CAFs Hickey is right when he says: The policy of our government is systematically undermining the recovery. Public sector layoffs are undermining consumer buying power, crippling the ability of the private sector to sell products and services. Clearly, President Obama must reverse this downward spiral by creating jobs directly, putting money in consumers pockets, and helping small and large companies to find buyers and invest in growth.

5. Obama has to talk about how to fund his program, so that he does not get bogged down in the usual DC debate about spending. If the debate about renewing the economy becomes a spending fight, Republicans in the House will prevent anything meaningful from happening. There has to be a revenue component and Obama should be talking about taxing Wall Street and financial speculation. Even if he does not get everything he asks for, it will shift the focus of the debate away from the spending fight to a real dialogue about whether billionaires ought to aid a recoveryor continue to stream money out of the real economy and into the paper economy of the speculators. The president should take a cue from Progressive Democrats of America national director Tim Carpenter, who says, Americas working families have lost their homes, jobs, and healthcare. Young people cant afford the price of college, cant find jobs, and older folks cant retire because of an economy destroyed by greedy Wall Street corporations. It is only fair that Wall Street pay for the destruction they have wrought.


Whole Piece: http://www.thenation.com/blog/163118/obama-better-give-...

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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:25 AM
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1. If he does it will be mere seconds before it is derided as "just words" nt
Edited on Sun Sep-04-11 11:26 AM by killbotfactory
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:15 PM
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23. Maybe because that is what past experience has showed us?
Words with out actions are just that words. He brought this kind of reaction upon himself, imho.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:46 PM
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31. Or a "pretty speech"
:eyes:
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 08:25 AM
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54. he's very good at pretty speeches, i'll give him that...
Edited on Mon Sep-05-11 08:26 AM by tomp
...until you read between the lines, and examine the results.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:27 AM
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2. The very moment he uses the word "bi-partisan"...
his speech goes into File 13...
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:35 AM
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7. I couldn't agree more.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:43 AM
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9. I'm not up to watching it unless my doc reups my meds
but I pray, pray the phrase, "shared sacrifice" is avoided at all costs.

:evilgrin:
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notGaryOldman Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:59 PM
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13. YES!!!!!
I wish I could rec replies, kentuck!
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Mr Deltoid Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 04:40 PM
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42. Or 'compromise'...
Either of those words uttered and I grab the remote and flip the channel to Sponge Bob.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 04:43 PM
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44. right. we'll be able to pass bills with just democratic votes.
:eyes:
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 04:45 PM
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45. No, we are not going to be able to pass any bills.
Haven't you come to that conclusion yet?
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 04:54 PM
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46. now you're getting somewhere. we should spend more time fighting the GOP than
Edited on Sun Sep-04-11 04:55 PM by dionysus
undermining ourselves on top of an already fucked up situation.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 06:55 PM
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53. Can't get a Republican vote unless it's a Republican bill
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 05:54 PM
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50. The second he does that I'm hitting the remote and putting on QVC.
I'd rather have QVC trying to sell me crap I don't want than a President with a "D" after his name trying to sell me recycled repub shit.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 06:52 PM
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52. Indeed.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 08:57 AM
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57. I just don't want to hear "promise of green technology jobs" again.
I've heard and read the word "promise" in that context too manytimes over the last 30 years, from many others, not just Obama. But if I hear it again, without more concrete proposals, I will scream...
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:27 AM
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3. Putting money into the pockets of consumers has been blocked for almost a decade...
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:30 AM
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4. Actually, another great speech won't cut it for any of us that have been
paying attention for the past 3.5 years. I'd so rather skip the speech and see first thing Tuesday, some initiatives in place, period. If what is being touted as his plan is to avoid Congress altogether and getting other avenues open, then f'ing do it, I don't need him to speechify again and then do nothing (or worse) as he's done to date.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:08 PM
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15. I hear ya!
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:12 PM
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19. Yep.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:32 AM
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5. Agree with Nichols. People need to feel encouraged and hopeful.
More importantly, the plan has to WORK. If we had a Congress that wasn't The Enemy we could achieve much more.

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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 03:25 PM
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39. Hope is fading fast. President Obama needs to give us a VISION...
...loudly and clearly. I know what his vision is...I think...and I support a lot of it. BUT...I pay attention all the time. Most people don't...they have busy lives.

I think Al Gore gets it right in these two interviews. He says people aren't shopping because they don't have jobs...they don't have money to shop with. He also...in part 2...spells out the vision:

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/08/al-gore-u-s-n...
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:33 AM
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6. Decent job growth until the voters gave back the house to the GOP. Boner never talks jobs, he talks
economy. The GOP knows that shooting down jobs paves a way to the white house.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:42 AM
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8. A whole essay on a Democratic Party job creation program without a mention of FDR.
tn
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:11 PM
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18. Sad & frustrating, huh?
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subterranean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:55 PM
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10. If history is any indication,
he will start with what he thinks the Republicans might agree to, and then negotiate down from there. I would like him to prove me wrong on this. I'm not interested in hearing a mishmash of recycled Republican ideas like more "free trade" agreements and corporate tax breaks. If people want Republican economic policies, they can vote for Republicans. Obama needs to give us HIS OWN vision for economic recovery. The Congress will block whatever he proposes anyway, but people need to see that he stands for something other than compromise and appeasement.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:56 PM
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11. What subterranean said
That's perfect- if people wanted Republican policies, they'd vote for them.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 08:28 AM
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55. that IS his vision!!!!! nt
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:57 PM
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12. I have said, the pressure is ON. He's going to have to bring it. I think he can.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:15 PM
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22. I'm starting to feel more hopeful
:thumbsup:
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:03 PM
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14. "One hell of a speech" WILL NOT CUT IT. Actions and results will.
Fuck speeches. I'm tired of this bullshit, reading after every time President Obama speaks about how this was his best speech ever etc.

Speeches are only words. The American people want, and DESERVE, decisive action with tangible results.

Fuck a buncha speeches.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:10 PM
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16. He cannot force Congress to pass legislation. Speech is a President's main weapon.
That, the veto pen, and appointments.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:13 PM
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20. He could have been a leader. Especially when he had both houses.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:14 PM
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21. He got a lot done when he had both houses.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:22 PM
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25. He also didn't get a lot done & some of what he did was not good.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:19 PM
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24. If, speeches, vetoes, and bad appointments are the best he can offer us, I'm for changing horses.
Edited on Sun Sep-04-11 01:19 PM by cherokeeprogressive
If what you say is true, it really doesn't matter which Democrat occupies the Oval Office.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:46 PM
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32. If Obama is primaried out in 2012,
how are you so sure that the next occupant of the Oval Office will be a Democrat?
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:52 PM
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34. If that's your way of saying "You Have to Vote for Barack Obama" I'll answer with
I will. Should he be the party nominee, I will.

Right up until the moment he's nominated and accepts though, I'll be hoping for someone else.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:08 PM
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36. The point is this: Will a bare-knuckles fight for the nomination,
help or hurt the Democratic Party in the general election next year?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:37 PM
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37. Any horse you've got left in your stable has to have shitloads of money, a huge following, and
shitloads of money.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 04:55 PM
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47. better get out there and do your patriotic duty then.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:40 PM
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30. Enforcing the laws
That can be the Executive's chief weapon. Or choosing not to enforce the laws. Obama has chosen to prosecute the whistleblowers and let the war criminals and banksters go free. This has had the perverse effect of undermining the rule of law and corrupting society from the top down.

If Obama went after some Rethuglicans with the law in regards to bribery, campaign contribution violations, etc. He would have a better chance of getting some cooperation. All carrot and no stick makes the President a punching bag and at best a laughingstock.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:10 PM
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17. Hell, I'd take a mediocre speech with some
back-up action. Amen, Brother, (or Sister).

As my dear departed mother used to say, "Money talks, bullshit walks."

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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:26 PM
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26. I'm not worrying about him giving a quality speech.
That is never my concern. He gave an excellent speech to Congress on health care in September 2009 that probably saved the bill from total defeat, but the quality of the bill that finally passed was greatly diminished.

The likliehood of this Congress passing anything he proposes, big or small, is very remote, so this is really more about establishing what he stands for and taking his case to the people over the next 14 months.

And that is why he should go big. They won't pass anything anyway, so you might as well stand for something meaningful.
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:26 PM
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27. We've Had Pretty Speeches, We Need Serious Action Now
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:31 PM
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28. My prediction.......r h e t o r i c. nm
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:35 PM
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29. Nichols is right
This speech will be one of the most important ones of his re-election campaign he will give
before the convention speech at the DNConvention next summer.

I still think he will be re-elected, but it's with what mandate that matters. He has tried tea
and crumpets with the opposition. They stomped on his crumpets and tossed their tea in his face.

It is time to acknowledge that, and give a speech that indicates that he knows full well what he's
up against. He needs a sleepless night on Wednesday, modifying it, using the total crap that will
be coming out of the Republican "debate" the night before, and then using his position before the
country to make mincemeat out of the Republicans and explain in no uncertain terms to the country
why he has a better plan, and what he intends to do about it. Halfway will not cut it this time.
Been there, done that. It didn't work.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 04:28 PM
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41. "Halfway will not cut it this time. Been there, done that. It didn't work"...
Edited on Sun Sep-04-11 04:28 PM by YvonneCa
...your words are exactly right. People will turn off the speech the minute he starts the 'bi-partisan, shared sacrifice' stuff (and I say that as a person who generally supports working together toward shared goals). :7 It's like when we here tuned out Bush the minute he started blaming everything on 9/11.

He needs to go big and spell out his vision. :patriot:
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:47 PM
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33. or else?
:shrug:
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ProgressIn2008 Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:52 PM
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35. Fuck speeches. nt
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:46 PM
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38. I hope Obama announces he will not be running in 2012 - n/t
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 05:01 PM
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49. LOL
:spray:
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 03:38 PM
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40. Even if he gives a speech that I agree with 100%
I don't believe he will follow through with it.
He lost me for good with the healthcare debacle and it's been downhill from there.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 04:42 PM
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43. Of course, the majority of people he will be speaking in front of will be Repubs...
It's not like he is going to have a friendly audience. Quite the contrary, we may hear "You lie!" one more time?
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 04:57 PM
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48. On another thread I said I wouldn't be surprised at him being shouted at
Tho, even Republicans are not that stupid? Maybe they are. The country is not in the mood for more grandstanding.
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 06:01 PM
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51. Sure they're that stupid
Edited on Sun Sep-04-11 06:01 PM by durablend
Anyone wanna bet we hear a "Shut the f*ck up" from the R peanut gallery?
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 09:00 AM
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58. That's why I said in another thread that it might have been better for him if he just told Boner
to F.O. and give the speech from the Oval Office. It's not like he has a chance in hell to change any hearts or minds with soaring rhetoric and flawless logic.

Unless maybe he's counting on the rebubbas to publicly demonstrate (yet again) what a bunch of no-class asshats they are so he can pretty much show the country "see what we're having to deal with here?"
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 08:34 AM
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56. My prediction... spinning outsourcing as a good thing...
And saying we need infrastructure investment but not actually planning any... patting the unions on the head and then slapping them across the face... etc.
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