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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 11:05 AM
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Should We Flex Some Progressive Muscle and Kill Obama’s Job Killing Trade Deal?
Edited on Sun Aug-21-11 11:11 AM by grahamhgreen
Obama has been on a bus tour touting his plan to create jobs: BUT IT’S JUST ANOTHER JOB KILLING TRADE DEAL.

Progressives were almost able to kill Obama’s cuts-only deal on the debt ceiling, we can kill this. (The debt bill passed only with overwhelming Republican support, the fact is half the Dems in the house voted against it. He actually passed a Republican plan. Two thirds of Americans simply want to raise taxes on the wealthy, and do not want cuts to social programs.)

I'm calling my congress person to nip his new series of "trade deals" in the bud at 1-202-224-3121.

I’m telling them we don’t want more jobs off-shored, we want to end NAFTA and the WTO, and return to the trade policies and tariffs of the greatest generation - trade policies that actually create jobs.

The simple fact is that there is no evidence that the trade deals we’ve been engaged in since the mid 90’s have increased jobs - the opposite is true, they are costing us jobs.

When he signed NAFTA on September 14, 1993, Bill Clinton Said, "I believe that NAFTA will create a million jobs in the first five years of its impact. And I believe that that is many more than will be lost..."



Since that time, this is what has happened to US employment:




From the Economic Policy Institute:

"Since the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) was signed in 1993, the rise in the U.S. trade deficit with Canada and Mexico through 2002 has caused the displacement of production that supported 879,280 U.S. jobs. Most of those lost jobs were high-wage positions in manufacturing industries.

"The loss of these jobs is just the most visible tip of NAFTA's impact on the U.S. economy. In fact, NAFTA has also contributed to rising income inequality, suppressed real wages for production workers, weakened workers' collective bargaining powers and ability to organize unions, and reduced fringe benefits." (http://usliberals.about.com/od/theeconomyjobs/i/FreeTradeAgmts_2.htm)



And since China joined the WTO, this is what’s happened:






U.S. International Trade Commission has admitted that KORUS-FTA will cost US jobs: the ITC sees the electronic equipment manufacturing industry, with average wages of $30.38 in 2008, as a major victim. The AFLCIO says it will cost more auto-workers their livelihoods.

Even our trading partners don’t want the deals, concerning the TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement):


A free trade deal with the US would be catastrophic for any remaining economic sovereignty that New Zealand has. CAFCA says this not because we are “anti-American”. All such FTAs – such as with the existing P4 partners, or the more recent ones with Malaysia, the Gulf States and Hong Kong - pose the same threat to a greater or lesser degree. And our opposition to them is not because of “xenophobia” but for well founded grounds that they simply enmesh NZ more and more tightly in a cobweb of transnational corporate control.

So it’s a recipe for disaster to enter into an FTA with the biggest economy in the world, headed by a Government that aggressively pushes the interests of American Big Business (there is a seamless flow between the US Government and US Big Business, as is evidenced by the trillion dollar bailout of the mega-greedy financial sector, a textbook example of socialism for the rich). (http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1003/S00222.htm)




Obama’s new trade deals will only benefit large multi-national corporations, they will not increase American jobs.

Please call - we can win this one: 1-202-224-3121.

And while we’re killing his new trade deal, let’s ask to kill the other part of his plan, the one that damages the long term outlook of Social Security, the extension of the FICA tax holiday, another bad idea.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 11:08 AM
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1. Yep. More Friedmanite bullshit.
I wasn't entirely convinced before, but now I am after reading your post.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 11:13 AM
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2. I'm in!
:thumbsup:
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 11:18 AM
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3. Exactly how much muscle do you believe Progressives really have?
I haven't seen a lot of examples of this Progressive muscle that can be flexed and kill things.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 11:30 AM
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7. We have 1/2 the Dems in the house.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 12:36 PM
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10. Half the Dems in the House is less than 1/4 of the House,
and Progressives do not have the presidency. "Ain't gonna be easy" is an understatement.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 04:22 PM
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19. True. But look how he's feeling the heat already.....
Edited on Sun Aug-21-11 04:23 PM by grahamhgreen
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 04:25 PM
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21. I'm way more impressed by actions than by how Obama feels or his words. n/t
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Dokkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 04:26 PM
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22. the tea baggers
can kill or seriously alter bills with just 47 house reps and a few senators but progessives cannot with about double that number. SAD
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:10 PM
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25. Exactly! We can do this.
There is no way that are ignoring us, they just think they can keep sweeping us under the rug.

Of course, we don't have as many billionaires on our side, but we do have a couple.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 01:52 PM
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12. that's a good point because
the President and much of the COngress doesn't seem to give a damn about what we think however I can't NOT do anything about it. I have to at least let my opinion be known to them - I think it's an affliction really. ;)
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Mr Deltoid Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 04:20 PM
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18. See Wisconsin
It will boil down to a rise in unions. Union action is really all that can save us.

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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 04:23 PM
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20. I don't have to see Wisconsin, I live here, I was in Madison for the demonstrations.
Wisconsin is not Washington, D.C. and unions are no where nearly strong enough to save us by themselves.
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tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 07:12 AM
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42. Good to see your progress
now maybe if you retake the Senate next year and the House AND recall Walker you'll get your rights back.

My instinct is the only way Walker is leaving the capitol is...
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 01:49 PM
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66. If we don't try why are we here? To talk about Charlie Sheen?
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RegieRocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 11:19 AM
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4. In
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 11:22 AM
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5. Hell YES! n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 11:25 AM
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6. Why is he cutting a deal with Colombia, a country that fills mass graves
and crematoria with the bodies of their citizens?

WTF is THAT?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 12:09 PM
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8. +1
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 03:55 PM
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15. It's pragmatic
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katnapped Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 07:35 AM
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47. And bi-partisany!
Don't rock the boat, just clap louder!
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 12:21 PM
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9. Recommend
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 01:49 PM
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11. K&R
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 03:44 PM
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13. .
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 03:54 PM
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14. kr
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 03:57 PM
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16. We sure as hell must try or our own throats will be at the knife.
Unity in pursuit of our own destruction under a false flag of partisan opposition to those with the same playbook is not a game with us "small people" are going to come out ahead in.
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tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 07:13 AM
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43. Well said.
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tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 07:18 AM
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46. Was reading about free trade in my econ text.
It's all bullshit!
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 04:19 PM
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17. K&R
Thanks - I actually hadn't heard until now what the Obama jobs program would be - this doesn't surprise me.
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 04:49 PM
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23. Lets go....
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 04:50 PM
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:30 PM
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26. I say let the GOP kill this as they have and will kill everything else---and then run on it in 2012.
Edited on Sun Aug-21-11 07:31 PM by McCamy Taylor
I would much rather flex my progressive muscle and get unemployment insurance extended. The voters will remember that.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:33 PM
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27. uh, except they wont
it's a DLC cpropratist feat that they allowed tacitly. if you really think they would stop it, THAT would surprise me.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:40 PM
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28. they won't because their corporate masters want it passed
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 08:58 AM
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53. Except it can't be extended forever
and this bill is going to kill even more jobs. That's not the solution to a poor economy, and extending UI is just a bandaid.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 08:39 PM
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29. Obama pushed W's three trade agreements - Korea, Colombia, Panama....
Don't know directly implicated or otherwise --

but Hartmann said recently that he expects we will lose another 1 million jobs

by the end of next year!!!

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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 06:07 AM
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37. I am sure that my employer loses sales due to Korea's ridiculous trade barriers
I doubt if Hartmann said these deals will cost a million jobs.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 08:44 PM
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30. Yep
Sign me up!

:toast:
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desertrat777 Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 08:44 PM
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31. Awesome stats
Your facts, quotations, charts and graphs are impressive - especially the one showing US manufacturing before and after China joined the WTO in 2001. My head is spinning ever faster. Yes, we must act, and we must be vocal as Democrats and as Progressives. I care about America and American citizens, and it becomes very clear that the international trade agreements do not help Americans. They don't even help the citizens of the other countries involved. No, it has become very clear that the beneficiaries are the large transnational corporations and the gazillionaires lurking behind them, like so many gollums in service of the lord of Mordor.

Sorry, but I loved The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. Oops, but it does seem to fit in there. Lord Voldemort fits in nicely, too, if you love the Harry Potter series. But I digress.

Thank you for explicating the effects on Americans of the robbery by the uber rich on America, Americans, and the global community.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 10:01 PM
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32. Excellent post. Thanks.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 07:58 AM
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49. +
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 10:05 PM
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33. Progressive "muscle" would be better spent extending unemployment insurance.
If the left acts like it actually cares about the working class, the working class might embrace the left.
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jeff47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 11:27 PM
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34. You can only extend unemployment for so long. These trade agreements are forever. (nt)
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 08:59 AM
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54. My comments exactly
Extending UI is a bandaid, and these bills are going to kill jobs meaning more unemployed people.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 12:21 AM
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35. Actually rather than do more unemployment or opposing this trade bill a better option
Edited on Mon Aug-22-11 12:22 AM by cstanleytech
might be to redo our tax setup in such a way as to discourage companies from offshoring so many jobs and instead encourage them to add more jobs in the US if they want to benefit from things like lower corporate taxes.
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Union Scribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 07:13 AM
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44. I'm thinking they'd rather have jobs.
The bitter irony of dismissing concerns over a job-killing free trade snowjob while supporting benefits for people impacted by such treaties is pretty difficult to miss, but you did it somehow.
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 09:01 AM
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55. Caring about the working class?
UI is a bandaid, not a solution. Progressive muscle needs to be flexed to save JOBS so that we don't end up with even more unemployed people. The working class would like to keep working.
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Bluesbreaker Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 02:45 AM
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36. Don't question the president or his motives
He would never endorse a policy that favored Wall Street, defense contractors and pharmaceutical companies over consumers, workers or the middle class. Mr. Obama puts the welfare of the American people above corporations who expand their profits by manufacturing overseas where labor is cheap and environmental laws and safety regulations are non existent.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 06:10 AM
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38. A lot of manufacturing job losses are due to automation, ...
...it is not all due to off shoring.
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 09:06 AM
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57. Then how do you explain the absence of attrition from DFARS-protected manufacturing jobs?
Let me put that another way for the people who are not knowledgeable about this sector by using common terminology.

How do you explain the lack of job-losses (actually such jobs have increased over the past 10 years and 30 years, declined marginally in the 90s due to the fall of Sovietism) in that sector of Defense manufacturing that it's illegal to do outside the US for national security reasons? (Not kind of illegal, the sort of illegal where they revoke all your defense contracts and put you on a list as ineligible to ever hold another defense contract before they criminally-prosecute your CEO.)

That's not one of the least-automated sectors, it's actually one of the most-automated and high-tech manufacturing sectors. Yes, these jobs have migrated from largely-unionized northern states to Right-To-Work southern and western states...but they've stayed domestic...and they've increased.

The quick and dirty takeaway: The jobs in manufacturing they cannot outsource are thriving.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 06:19 AM
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39. K&R!
Yup.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 06:58 AM
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40. But NAFTA did create millions of jobs.
Unfortunately, none of them were in the United states.

I'm all for killing Obama's new trade "deal". And I'd like to throw NAFTA under the bus, too.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 07:07 AM
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41. It's the free traitors who have plundered America!
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 07:17 AM
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45. was wondering how long it would take
before you guys started to actively work against the president.

This sad on so many levels.

Have at it. I'm surprised this kind of stuff doesn't violate the rules around here.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 07:40 AM
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 08:18 AM
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50. We should ALL be actively working against ANYONE who adopts Right-wing policies
and does his/her best to implement them. If it's my mayor who does it, I will work against him/her. If it's my Congressman or Senator who does it, I'll work against him or her. If it's my Democratic President who does it, I'll work against him/her.

That's WHY I'm a Democrat. My loyalty is to the Constitution and the welfare of the people of this nation--not with the welfare of Corporate America and Wall Street.

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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 09:12 AM
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58. Actively working against the President?
I could give a fuck who is President when it comes to actively attempting to save our country from economic free fall. NAFTA was a horrible idea and cost our country jobs. Candidate Obama said it was a horrible idea. Now Obama the President thinks it is so great we should do it in yet another country?

Exactly how am I supposed to support an idea that Candidate Obama thought was bad just to prop up President Obama? You talk about sad on so many levels. How about caring about ALL Americans and not just Obama?
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stuckinarut Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 08:22 AM
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51. Obama said it himself,

"It is absolutely true that NAFTA was a mistake." - Barack Obama, 2008
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 09:06 AM
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56. How dare you listen to candidate Obama!
Now you should listen to President Obama. I wonder who we're going to hear from next year before the election - Candidate Obama or President Obama? I'm pretty interested in what people do rather than what they say, since when there is a mis-match between what they say and what they do - like there is here - I believe what they DO is who they are.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 10:23 AM
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61. +1
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 09:26 AM
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59. k&r
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orbitalman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 10:17 AM
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60. K & R
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 10:25 AM
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62. It is Obvious whose Side O is on
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 10:46 AM
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63. Lack of trade deals doesn't keep capital in the US
Jobs were going overseas long before there were trade deals. NAFTA et al are attempts (in many cases bungled ones) to manage what is already happening no matter what we do.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 12:19 PM
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64. These trade pacts are going to pass
There is wide support in Congress from both Democrats and Republicans for this legislation.

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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 01:46 PM
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65. This is just another Obama nightmare...
I knew supporting him was a mistake, right after he appointed his economic team. I was duped, I didn't want to believe he was a fucking liar!!!! I thought he wanted to revisit NAFTA or was that just another big fat lie??????????


The Liar and Chief. The man that destroyed the Democratic Party. Reagan lover. Chicago School of Economics..........I think I going to be sick.:puke:
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-11 09:33 AM
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68. I totally agree with you. Obama is a total disappointment.
It is sad to have to say that I will be voting for him again just because the alternative is a promised nightmare.
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SavWriter Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-11 05:43 AM
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67. We won't be able to.
The only way to stop it would be to Teabag the DINO Elected. We won't do that. We won't primary our elected, and we won't abandon those who have a D after their name. The Koch Brothers keep their tools in line with just that threat, they they follow through on. Just ask Bob Bennett. Now that Orrin Hatch has stepped to the line and is doing what he's supposed to, they've decided to cancel the Primary challenge to him.

See how it works? See why it would never work on our side. If the Corporate Masters tell President Obama and the Democrats we busted our backs getting elected to approve this, they do it. It doesn't matter that it stabs the unions in the back. All that matters is that GE and the rest get what they want.
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Philip Frey Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 11:01 AM
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69. Agreed.
Well done.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 04:38 PM
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70. If it wasn't so sad I'd cry ... Progressives have no traction what so ever with this Administration
We have an Administration that recognizes and analyzes every Republican demand, and accedes to many of them while at the same time not only ignoring the demands of Progressives but in fact publicly scorning Progressives for speaking out. So if you think you will have any effect on killing these trade deals even if have every progressive voice in the nation behind you you're sadly mistaken. Just look at Health Care, or even letting harmful tax cuts for the rich expire - it will make you want to weep.
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