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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 06:07 AM
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Social Security disability on verge of insolvency
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jRJz1xs4O_N3HpNqzV6NI8g3Zwdg?docId=8266c2c64497445b9d8217656417800f

Social Security disability on verge of insolvency

By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER, Associated Press – 2 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Laid-off workers and aging baby boomers are flooding Social Security's disability program with benefit claims, pushing the financially strapped system toward the brink of insolvency.

Applications are up nearly 50 percent over a decade ago as people with disabilities lose their jobs and can't find new ones in an economy that has shed nearly 7 million jobs.

The stampede for benefits is adding to a growing backlog of applicants — many wait two years or more before their cases are resolved — and worsening the financial problems of a program that's been running in the red for years.

New congressional estimates say the trust fund that supports Social Security disability will run out of money by 2017, leaving the program unable to pay full benefits, unless Congress acts. About two decades later, Social Security's much larger retirement fund is projected to run dry as well.

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I wouldn't be too concerned about this. The next Republican president and congress will surely fix this little problem in a jiffy.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 06:17 AM
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1. If Congress hadn't stolen money from the social security fund to pay for their wars, we would not
have this problem

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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 06:25 AM
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2. True
"TeaPublicans" now have charts at their townhalls that show how much US debt China holds. They claim we need to cut Medicare and SS to pay off this debt. But what they don't say is that they robbed these programs to fund their wars and tax-cuts for their rich friends.

I attended such a townhall with Rep. Kevin Yoder (R-Kansas), a member of ALEC, and he tried pulling this horseshit on us. They have no shame.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 06:30 AM
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4. Yoder - Are not the Amish supposed to be pacifists?
There's a conversation starter.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 06:42 AM
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8. Obviously he never mentions how much (more) of that debt is held by...
...Social Security. They're the same bonds.

Unless, of course, they want to pick and choose which bonds get paid. That would mess with the whole "full faith and credit" more than anything else, but the Teabaggers have already shown they're not concerned about that.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:31 AM
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13. If they try, let's see how well their picking of China over U.S. taxpayers goes over
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 06:28 AM
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3. Oh no, we better start making "modest modifications" to it now!
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 06:32 AM
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6. I don't like that idea
I think we should just wait and let the Republicans decide how to handle this.

I am pretty sure there will be no cuts with them fixing it.

We will be alright.

Don
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 06:32 AM
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5. Everyone mocked Al Gore for his "lock box"
Looks like he was correct. Two wars, tax cuts for the rich for 10 years??? Great, we can screw the poor!!!
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 06:40 AM
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7. The only ones who mocked Gore were the media and the republicans. Both have been consistently wrong
in their views for the past 20 plus years


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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 06:49 AM
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9. Hmmm - invisible rec. Nt
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 11:19 AM
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20. " *INVISIBLE REC* " - a DU new coinage!1 An historic post!1
I myself take credit for the "K&R #_" meme, therefore can recognize something NEW and TRUE: Reccing against a tide of UnReccs (for any of the many intended/appropriate or nefarious/unintended facets of both Rec/UnRec). "Invisible rec" - I'll start using it toute suite!1
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:15 AM
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10. there`s not one news article on google that backs up what this guy wrote.
Edited on Sun Aug-21-11 07:15 AM by madrchsod
he picked bits and pieces from different news releases and government documents. a lot if not all of what he wrote was taken out of context. i searched for over a half hour and found no interview with the head of social security that came close to what ap wrote.to lend credibility to the ap article they used a 2010 picture of the commissioner testifying on the problems of social security.
the only statements i could find was the commissioner`s goals of reducing the back log of applications and reviewing the current status of people on social security disability.


"the big lie" or should i say have truths and deceptions?

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:22 AM
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11. I am sure it is all a lie
Just ignore it.

Don
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:52 AM
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14. The right wing, Republicans and otherwise have said almost
daily, since before the Social Security Law was passed, that it will bankrupt and never pay out. This is what they always say, and it is in this case, vague, unsupported fear mongering drafted to promote cuts and alterations desired by Turd Way and the Republicans who are their twin partners.
When the media repeats that which they have repeated for the right wing for say, 65 years, it is time to start, at the very least, being a tad skeptical and to demand something other than conjecture and rhetoric.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:31 AM
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12. We can always cut payroll taxes.
;-)

We can call it giving the middle class a tax cut.
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hansberrym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 11:26 AM
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21. Ouch!

Maybe the whole thing about politicians Repub & Dem purposely running the country into the ground is not so far of base?

If no crisis is to be wasted, what do they plan to use the next crisis, the one they apparently are trying to bring about asap, to accomplish?

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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 08:05 AM
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15. Maybe if all the claims were accepted and paid immediately. But SS denies almost all claims
nowadays and only those who appeal with an attorney get their disability.

The only thing about the story I believe is that a lot more folks are applying, because there are no jobs.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 08:33 AM
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16. I'm in agreement with you
nt
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PoliticAverse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 09:56 AM
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17. The Numbers....
Edited on Sun Aug-21-11 09:59 AM by PoliticAverse
Note that the Disability trust fund is separate from the main SS trust fund.

Disability Insurance (DI) Trust fund: http://www.ssa.gov/oact/progdata/describedi.html
Old Age and Survivors Insurance (OASI) Trust Fund: http://www.ssa.gov/oact/progdata/describeoasi.html

The DI trust fund has approximately $168 Billion.
The OASI trust fund has approximately $2.666 Trillion.

(See http://www.ssa.gov/oact/progdata/describeoasi.html )

Note from the annual report on the trust funds:

http://www.ssa.gov/oact/TRSUM/index.html

that in 2010 the DI trust fund was depleted from $203.5 billion to $179.9 billion and from the above number
it's down to $168 billion at the end of July in 2011. So it's being depleted at a rate of approximately $20 billion/year.
If the depletion rate remains the same the trust fund will last approximately $168/$20 = 8.4 years (in reality it would
be less because as the trust fund is depleted it earns less interest - in 2010 the trust fund was credited with $9.3 billion
in interest).


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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 10:13 AM
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18. Hope you have your flame proof suit on
Facts and figures don't go over real well around here as demonstrated in some of the previous posts to this thread.

Don


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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 10:14 AM
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19. Unlike the Pentagon, which can be "underfunded", but which is never "insolvent". nt
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hansberrym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 11:28 AM
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22. You can't have too many wars (think Ed Asner on SNL many years back)
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