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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 11:56 AM
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Firebagger - Urban Dictionary definitions written by TPM posters ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/m/a/mar...

From the above link a poster by the name of overreachthis submitted the word and first definition, that has been posted on DU as 'the definition' in May 2010.


"Thanks for your definition of Firebagger!

Editors reviewed your entry and have decided to publish it on urbandictionary.com.
It should appear on this page in the next few days:http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Firebagg...

Urban Dictionary"


Another poster, last comment in above link, submitted another definition which is the second one listed at urban dictionary.

"Me play too.

Firebagger: A term of derision used (usually on blogs) by supporters of U.S. President Barack Obama in arguments with people who criticize Obama and other Democrats from the political left. The term is a conflation of "Teabagger" the term of derision used to describe right wing Tea Party activists and Firedoglake, a left-leaning political blogging community founded by Jane Hamsher.

OT, I will see you on the field of Urbandictionary honor."





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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 11:57 AM
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1. But, what about the EnemaBaggers (R)
Edited on Fri Aug-19-11 11:59 AM by SpiralHawk
I guess they don't need no steenkin definition.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 12:08 PM
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4. Guess not ...
just need to smear part of the Dem party instead.

:(

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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 11:58 AM
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2. Muckrakers at TPM are teh awesome...nt
Edited on Fri Aug-19-11 11:59 AM by SidDithers
Sid
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 12:10 PM
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5. And then it gets repeated here instead of discussing the issues. nt
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 12:33 PM
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7. Just like all the minutiae about Palin does. nt
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 12:35 PM
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9. Exactly! nt
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Wait Wut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 12:40 PM
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11. Yes...they are.
I miss that place so much.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 12:08 PM
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3. I was sure it had something to do with dog poop.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 12:32 PM
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6. Well you could submit that definition ...
http://www.urbandictionary.com/add.php

Everyone can play the game and post it as 'the definition'





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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 12:34 PM
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8. So this is blog war bullshit.
Thanks. How fucking sad.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 12:43 PM
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12. More than just a blog war IMO, a way to silence criticism of policies of the
administration.

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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 12:45 PM
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13. Evidently this has been going on for 2 years now.
Funny it happens a year before we need to be unified the most. I think it is a distraction that is working perfectly.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 01:11 PM
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16. The term has been used on DU for awhile as well ...
an easy way to try and silence criticism.

:(

Note all the auto unrecs of anything posted from FDL, regardless of who the author is and the issue.



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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 12:36 PM
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10. So now it means supporters of obama?!? I'm so confuzzled.
:shrug:
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 01:08 PM
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15. No ...
"A term of derision used (usually on blogs) by supporters of U.S. President Barack Obama in arguments with people who criticize Obama and other Democrats from the political left. The term is a conflation of "Teabagger" the term of derision used to describe right wing Tea Party activists and Firedoglake, a left-leaning political blogging community founded by Jane Hamsher."

I think the person who wrote the second definition has it right.

Mostly it is an easy way to silence criticism from the left and a staff member of OFA recently sent an email to read a blog that just continues to allienate people.

Obama Campaign Email With Criticism of Krugman, Liberal Blogs Triggers Ire
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/08/obama-c...

"A controversial email from an Obama campaign staffer in New Mexico to statewide supporters earlier this month highlights the ideological divide on the left over the debt ceiling deal, while raising the ire of the president's most liberal critics.

On Aug. 1, just hours after Congress approved the bipartisan deal, Obama for America New Mexico State Director Ray Sandoval sent out an email blast with an attached blog post that he said does a great job of explaining the Debt Ceiling deal.

The article, penned by Spandan Chakrabarti of The Peoples View, is largely an annotated summary of the legislative package, which he calls an out and out win for the president, including links to the White House website and explanations of the super committee process and the ensuing triggers (automatic cuts) if it doesnt reach a deal.

But its Chakrabartis words for some of the presidents Democratic critics that pack the real punch.
He calls Nobel Prize winning economist Paul Krugman a political rookie and refers to other detractors of the compromise the Firebagger Lefty blogosphere who he believes are all misguided in their assessment of deal..."



Hippie Punching
by Paul Krugman


http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/18/hippie-punc...

"Via Greg Sargent, I learn that some people in the Obama campaign really, really dislike people like me, who complain when the president gives in to GOP blackmail.

Well, at least theyre paying attention.

I would say this: on one side you have the GOP, which responds to completely crazed Tea Party demands by doing all it can to assure the hard right that its on its side. On the other, you have the Democratic establishment or at least part thereof, which responds to complaints from its own base that its going too easy on the crazies by lashing out at the base, with a bit of bearded-professor bashing on the side.

Way to strengthen your bargaining position, guys."



Score one for the professional left
By Ezra Klein

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/sco...

"Greg Sargent has a nice take on the e-mail an Obama campaign official sent mocking Paul Krugman and the firebaggers. But whenever I read these periodic eruptions about the professional left, my main thought is: if I were a member of the professional left, I would be stoked.

Paul Krugman is one op-ed columnist. Firedog Lake is one Web site. They have readers. But they are not the state of Ohio. Time and again, however, we see evidence that they have gotten deep inside the White Houses head. In letters, in offhand comments, in outbursts at press conferences, in my personal reporting, members of the Obama administration and members of the Obama reelection campaign will let slip that they are dwelling and worrying over these arguments. They may not agree with them. They may not think theyre fair, or sophisticated, or useful. But theyre thinking about them. And if youre the professional left, thats exactly what you want."

















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dtexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 01:12 PM
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17. I haven't seen it working to silence the left, easily or otherwise.
It is just a pathetic, unsuccessful attempt by some to try to silence needed criticism. And it doesn't matter where it originated, it is used many places, including on DU. The best way to counter it is to proclaim: "Yes, I'm a firebagger!"

So here goes: Yes, I'm a firebagger!
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 01:21 PM
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19. Have you seen the auto unrecs for anything posted from FDL ...
the issue and poster does not matter.



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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 01:50 PM
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22. But you donated to the 3rd quarter drive.
Would a firebagger donate to the campaign?
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 12:55 PM
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14. Political discourse in the US gets a little bit dumber.
Heaven forbid we debate policy and political philosophy. So stupid.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 01:18 PM
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18. Totally agree ...
and I've spent more time I this than I would like.

That being said it will continue to be used as a method of silencing different views if we let it.

I saw a post last night that cautioned people against reading anything on FDL, people can make up their own minds IMO.







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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 01:26 PM
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20. "political rookie" is another slur (of interesting origin...)
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 01:32 PM
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21. Thanks ...
if you have time please elaborate.

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