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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 09:02 PM
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Until we extract profit from politics, we’re all f**ked no matter whom we elect.
Edited on Thu Aug-18-11 09:39 PM by rbnyc
Even if we did primary President Obama, and even if we did nominate a candidate whom we felt was more aligned with deep Democratic values and more capable of promoting them, and even if such a candidate were to win the general election, I doubt any such person would have much of a chance of being any more effective than President Obama. President Kucinich, President Sanders, President Warren, President Fucking Olbermann – until we overturn Citizens United, until we decimate ALEC, until we transform K Street, until we have publicly funded elections, and until we unseat food industry profiteers from the USDA, pharmaceutical profiteers from the FDA, and every other Fox from every other Hen Oversight Agency, none have a chance of accomplishing squat.

So much attention is being paid to President Obama, what he’s done and what he hasn’t done and how he could have done it better. I’m down with a lot of that. I want to hear President Obama say shit like “Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me—and I welcome their hatred. “ (FDR) But we little people down on the ground always seem to find ourselves in the same position, divided against each other and focused on the wrong culprit. We argue about whether the fact that Barack Obama is not Rick Perry is a compelling enough case for support. We argue about whether it is helpful or harmful to voice our disappointment and our struggle to hold our most powerful leader accountable. But in truth, it’s all a great diversion. It’s not relevant because the President cannot unilaterally reclaim our democracy from corporate interests. Apparently, even a President with a Democratic majority in the House and Senate cannot.

There’s a reason why Republicans can get things done and Democrats can’t. It’s not because Republicans are better at spin; it’s not because Republicans are unyielding; it’s not because Republicans are better at playing the game; it’s not because Democrats try to find common ground; it’s not because Democrats try to prove things with complicated facts and long, boring logical arguments and it’s not because Democrats care about the means as much as the ends. It’s because the real people in power allow the Republicans to win because Republicans allow themselves to be inseminated with the corporate agenda in exchange for being on the winning team.

We go nuts over these elections. We are constantly in a state of campaigning and competing for seats where there is no longer any actual power. The whole time we fight with each other. Strategists lash out against “firebaggers” and the “professional left.” Progressive activists decry capitulation. Maybe we can all agree that Republicans are the enemy. But the real enemy is Corporatism – not corporations, but Corporatism. It’s already too late to solve the problem of Corporatism simply by electing the right people. We need to be engaged in a constant, multilateral strategic assault against Corporatism.

I love Keith Olbermann. I seriously do, and I think he’s right about almost everything. But I find it very interesting, and very natural, that he got his journalistic start in the world of sports. Our red-team-vs.-blue-team, election-centric political machine has become the ultimate public diversion. We can’t get enough of it. We are completely engrossed in the play-by-play. It works out great for the profiteers who actually call the shots in this world. We will never tire of watching our teams fight each other and engaging in our fan rivalry, which means we will never turn our whole attention to them.

Corporations should be allowed to exist. They should be allowed to make money. They should even be allowed to make lots of money. But they shouldn’t be allowed to own and run all of our public institutions. They shouldn’t be allowed to own our elected officials, write legislation and lead the agencies that are supposed to protect us from them. They should be regulated. And their money should be entirely extracted from our political process.

Again, it’s already too late to accomplish this simply by electing the right people, even if the right people could be elected in this environment. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t vote, and that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to take back the House and keep a Democrat in the White House – but for all our attention, time, money and effort, it’s not meaningful if it’s not part of a multi-pronged strategy to defeat Corporatism.

It seems like there are periods where we focus on issue-based activism, and then we get swept into campaign season and it’s all about winning elections. It seems like campaign season is getting longer and longer. It’s like the department stores that used to start putting out their seasonal holiday crap the day after Thanksgiving, but are now putting it out the day after Halloween. We seem to have our seasonal holiday crap out 11 months a year.

We have got to know our enemy and we have got to focus our actions in the ways that will have the most impact.

Ideas?

I will be in Freedom Plaza October 6th through …

http://october2011.org/welcome

http://www.commoncause.org/site/pp.asp?c=dkLNK1MQIwG&b=...

http://www.alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed

EDIT: typo
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 09:24 PM
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1. Rec # 5!
Thank you!


peace~
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 09:32 PM
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2. Before Halloween. The shit is out BEFORE the end of October. That having been
said, we are indeed part of one long, big show. Complete with dancing clowns. And the man behind the curtain.
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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 10:18 PM
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5. No doubt. nt.
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HomerRamone Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 11:59 AM
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19. Oh c'mon. Costco put out Christmas wrap at the beginning of August
and most stores will have significant displays by right after Labor Day...
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 10:06 PM
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3. Until we extract profit from corporations, we have no hope of getting it out of politics
I'd trace this problem to the original decision (even before corporate "person"hood) to allow corporations to seek profit over public benefit. I think the public needs returned to it the right to summarily dissolve such corporations - and since we're not taking anyone's money by doing so, merely disallowing certain organizations of it, I don't even think it calls for the full weight of due process. I have no problem with the idea of shutting a corporation down and distributing whatever of its work is necessary to society to other corporations while it is being investigated.

It's not merely that corporations aren't people, but that the benefits provided by corporations aren't a sufficient excuse to allow the people running them to use them against the public good.
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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 10:14 PM
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4. Wow.
I love it. I really have to think about it, though. I have always felt there are some things that should not be allowed to run as for-profit business, like prisons and health insurance companies. But I've tended to think that the propensity of corporations to put profits to shareholders over the well-being of stakeholders and the general public was something that could be managed by regulation.
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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 10:25 PM
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6. I'll see you all in the morning.
Thanks for reading.
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solara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 12:18 AM
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7. Hear! Hear! Big K&R
:kick:
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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 06:43 AM
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9. Good Morning.
Thank you.
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solara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 11:02 AM
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15. Good Morning
Thank YOU

:)
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 02:48 AM
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8. It's the Corporatism.
Thanks for the info on Oct 6, I hadn't heard about it. Not sure if I can be there yet, but looking into it.
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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 08:03 AM
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10. You're welcome.
Even if you can't go, you can help spread the word. It's been growing, but a lot of people still don't know about it.

:hi:
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 08:08 AM
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11. Like I've said before, Americans are good at attacking the symptoms and not the root causes.
Your message is right-on, rbnyc.
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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 08:33 AM
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12. Root causes are hard.
They seem insurmountable.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 09:14 AM
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13. "But they shouldn’t be allowed to own and run all of our public institutions."
I remember when we used to name our stadiums & event centers after people instead of corporations.

Revoking corporate personhood would be a first excellent step in restoring the governement to the People. Here's a great page on some steps we could take, but of course, there would have to be the political will to follow through. ~sigh.

http://reclaimdemocracy.org/political_reform/proposed_c...

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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 09:45 AM
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14. Thanks so much for the link. nt
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 11:06 AM
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16. Politics has, itself, become the Bread and Circuses of American politics.
Unfortunately, the people who can take politics off the corporate payroll are on the corporate payroll.

But, we still get to vote for whoever they select to convince us that we have a democracy. However much of a charade it has become.
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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 11:48 AM
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18.  Unfortunately, the people who can take politics off the corporate payroll are on the corporate pay
Exactly.
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Larry Ogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 12:49 PM
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22. The predator elites, along with their predator corporations...
Hand pick, via bribes and donations, most of the M$M politicians, we Americans hear about and thus vote for.

I have been saying this for a long time.

And they hand pick the religious psycho nut jobs on the right in order to scare the hell out of the left, which insures the left will keep voting for their hand picked, less obvious, venal psycho nut jobs in the Democratic Party.

Fortunately they haven't had total success with taking over the Democratic Party, however, those who have a conscience are in a "very small minority"; their the true liberals and the only voice of reason left in our government, unfortunately most people are not listening.

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socialindependocrat Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 11:25 AM
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17. Vote them out!!
First we need to vote Republicans out in the next election.

We need to give Obama the freedom to act.

We need to threaten any "bought" official and Vote out incumbents (unless they are doing a job for the people)

Each person gets one vote - This corporations are people bull crap is giving our corporate leaders more than one vote
without giving an equal edge to the rank and file. this is misappropriation of corporate funds.

Each publicly owned business should be able to increase their sales and revenue.
They should repay their employees for increased productivity.
They should reinvest earnings into R&D and and grow the business.

Corporate leaders have reaped a large amount of money over the past 30 years - to the point
where they need to start giving back to the economy. their earnings are way out of line with the employees.
Corporate leaders do not own the companies - they are employees of the company.

The Supreme Court justices need to get their acts together.
they need to vote according to the laws of the land.
Votes of 5-4 show the political split of the court justices.
The Supreme Court is bought!!!!

Give money to the middle class and they will spend, spend, spend to grow the economy.

Our government is BROKEN!!!!

All rulings made by our elected officials need to be focused on improving the lives of all Americans - not just the top 5%
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 12:36 PM
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20. Democracies have publicly funded elections.
They feature such things as one person, one vote ... verifiable vote audits ... short election seasons (so that the politicians are actually legislating rather than sucking corporate balls to get money).

The USA is not a democratic republic. Not even close.
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 12:41 PM
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21. I bet you want the word "extricate"
.. cuz the folks in D.C. do nothing else but extract profits from politics.

:hi:
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 01:07 PM
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23. Hmmmm. Good point.
It seems to me that the word extricate could be applied to the act of sucking corp balls. What do you think?

Are the politicians in the USA system extricators... or do they burrow down and excavate?

:toast:
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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 02:01 PM
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25. Good point.
Edited on Fri Aug-19-11 02:03 PM by rbnyc
Thanks.

Although I was thinking along the lines of extracting a tooth, it's really not the right way to use the word.
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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 02:00 PM
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24. + 1 (nt)
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 02:04 PM
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26. I don't think we and the planet
can wait for the end of corporate person-hood....
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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 02:26 PM
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27. Don't wait for it...
...make it happen.

Until that happens, every other issue we are trying to advance will get crushed.

I don't mean stop all work on every other issue, but we need an organized aggressive assault on Corporatism. (Non-violent, of course.)
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 08:56 PM
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30. We need an organized aggressive assault on Capitalism -
removing profit as the end all to be all will not only help politics, but we may just save this planet.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 04:06 PM
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28. The people must stand up united against Corporatism. We can't leave it up to one person.
The last time a President stood up against Corporatism was President Kennedy during the Steel Crisis of 1962. Here's how it all went down:


The Steel Crisis of 1962

The "steel crisis" emerged when, just 4 days after ten of eleven major steel producers had signed a new contract with their workers, U.S. Steel, the largest of them with about 25% of the market, announced an across-the-board 3.5% increase in prices. The Kennedy administration had just hailed the pact as "non-inflationary," and indeed Labor Secretary Arthur Goldberg had been personally involved in the months-long negotiations and had used his prestige with labor to secure their agreement to no wage increases and only modest increases in fringe benefits.

Though the Kennedy administration had never directly asked the steel industry to hold prices, regarding that as improper, Kennedy and his advisors clearly felt there was a tacit agreement, and that they had been double-crossed. Coming right on the heels of the signed labor contract, the announcement seemed to be a deliberate attempt to tell the Democratic President that he didn't tell American business what to do. The stakes were higher than a simple personal affront; the importance of steel in the economy meant the high likelihood that the price increase would trigger further price jumps across many sectors, and kick off a new round of inflation. Kennedy was furious, telling advisors:

"My father always told me that all businessmen were sons of bitches, but I never believed it until now." <6>

The Steel Crisis
, written by Roy Hoopes in 1963 before Kennedy's assassination, offers more than a day-by-day account of the three days in which JFK stared down Big Steel. For modern readers, it is also a reminder of how different America has become since 1962. The importance of labor unions in the American economy and political system is taken for granted, something that might puzzle a younger reader of the book. The president speaks openly of ours being a "mixed economy," a term that has gone out of favor as the free market ideology has crowded out all others. Perhaps most anachronistic are Kennedy's repeated references to the "public interest" as a factor to be weighed in the major economic decisions of the day.

Of course, the business sector didn't like such talk any more in the 1960s than it does today. In the aftermath of the crisis, U.S. News stated that "A planned economy, directed from Washington, is what Mr. Kennedy now has in mind." One steel company executive complained "This is a sustained attack on the free enterprise system. It may be all all-out war." <7>

Kennedy Actions During the Steel Crisis

What exactly did this "attack" consist of, then? The actions taken in response to U.S. Steel's price increase, which had been followed within 48 hours by identical price increases by most of the other steel companies, boiled down to these:

1. The Defense Dept. announced plans to review steel contracts and switch to lower-cost suppliers - significantly, not all steel producers had immediately joined the price increase. Within a couple of days, Secretary McNamara placed a steel order for 3 submarines with Lukens Steel, one of the holdouts; this contract would normally have been split among suppliers including U.S. Steel. <8>

2. The Justice Dept. initiated an investigation as to whether the near-simultaneous price increases were the result of monopoly and thus subject to anti-trust laws. Given the almost lockstep manner in which steel companies adjusted prices in 1962 and earlier, a naive observer could be forgiven for assuming that there was at least de facto price-fixing. Attorney General Robert Kennedy in a statement explicitly included the question of whether U.S. Steel "so dominates the industry that it controls prices and should be broken up." <9>

3. The President went on the air to tell the press and the public why he thought the steel companies' actions were not in the public interest.

Additionally, Kennedy administration officials went on a phone-calling spree, in particularly contacting board members of those steel companies who had not yet raised prices. While they didn't specifically demand or ask for any pricing policies, they made the administration's preferences quite clear.

In an episode that inflamed many commentators, FBI agents roused sleeping journalists in the middle of the night, investigating reports that one of U.S. Steel's competitors had said he saw no reason to raise prices, only to turn around and follow U.S. Steel's lead.

These tactics were met with alarm by many business commentators. Kennedy's relationship with big business had been lukewarm from the start, and some saw this as JFK's "true colors" coming out. For his part, Kennedy felt he had been bending over backwards to achieve a sensible economic policy, one which included tax cuts and other policies favored by business.

Big Steel Caves

The court of public opinion, for its part, sided with Kennedy. This included much of the press as well. In part this was because of the ham-handed timing of U.S. Steel's announcement on the heels of the labor contract - the Christian Science Monitor's editorial said that the action "can scarcely be described as anything less dramatic than a throwing down of the gauntlet.....Big Steel has chosen to deliberately antagonize the President." <10>

U.S. Steel's president, Robert Blough, stumbled though a press conference called to respond to Kennedy's outraged press remarks, and hardly rallied opinion to his side. Even steel producers who quickly joined U.S. Steel in raising prices seemed taken aback by the timing.

In typical Kennedy style, the public statements and actions were accompanied by private negotiations. After Labor Secretary Goldberg failed to make headway, JFK selected Clark Clifford to meet personally with Blough. Clifford at one point reminded Blough that "John F. Kennedy might well be in office for several years and that it would be extremely difficult doing business in Washington after such a violent breach with the President." <11> Indeed, some insiders expected Blough to resign as part of any settlement of the crisis.

To the surprise of Kennedy himself, Big Steel caved on April 13, three days after announcing the price increases. In large part this was due to the actions of a few steel producers, most particularly Inland Steel, who publicly decided not to follow along with their own price increases. This was followed by Bethlehem Steel's announcing plans to rescind the price increases they had just announced. That was the last straw. Within hours, U.S. Steel issued a brief statement rescinding its own increase, and gave the following reason: "The price decision was made in the light of the competitive developments today, and all other current circumstances including the removal of a serious obstacle to proper relations between government and business." <12>

It is perhaps one of the great ironies of the crisis that U.S. Steel and its allies, who so vocally denounced government interference in the unfettered workings of the free market, could not sustain the price increase unless all steel producers marched in lockstep.

more...

http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/JFK_and_Steel...




It would be nice to look at these historical events and think, "...and they all lived happily ever after". But that's not the world we live in. In his brilliant book, JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters, James W. Douglass writes about the Corporatist public response after the Steel Crisis:


The depth of corporate hostility toward Kennedy after the steel crisis can be seen by an unsigned editorial in Fortune, media czar Henry Luce's magazine for the most fortunate. The editors of Fortune knew the decision to raise steel prices had been made by the executive committee of U.S. Steel's board of directors. It included top-level officers from other huge financial institutions, such as the Morgan Guaranty Trust Company, the First National City Bank of New York, the Prudential Insurance Company, the Ford Foundation, and AT&T. When Roger Blough had U.S. Steel's provocative press release to the president, he did so on behalf of not only U.S. Steel but also these other financial giants in the United States. The Fortune editorial therefore posed an intriguing question: Why did the financial interests behind U.S. Steel announce the price increase in such a way as to deliberately "provoke the President of the U.S. into a vitriolic and demagogic assault?"

With the authority of an insider's knowledge that it denied having, Fortune answered its own question: "There is a theory - unsupported by any direct evidence - that Blough was acting as a 'business statesman' rather than as a businessman judging his market". According to "this theory," Kennedy's prior appeal to steel executives not to raise prices, leading to the contract settlement between the company and the union, had "poised over the industry a threat of 'jawbone control' of prices. For the sake of his company, the industry, and the nation, Blough sought a way to break through the bland 'harmony' that has recently prevailed between government and business."

In plainer language, the president was acting too much like a president, instead of another officeholder beholden to the powers that be. U.S. Steel on behalf of still higher financial interests therefor taunted Kennedy so as to present him with a dilemma: he either had to accept the price hike and lose credibility, or react as he did with power to roll back the increase and thereby unite the business world against him. His unswerving activist response then served to confirm the worst fears of corporate America:

"That the threat of 'jawbone control' was no mere bugaboo was borne out by the tone of President Kennedy's reaction and the threats of general business harassment by government that followed the 'affront.'"

Thus the steel crisis, in Fortune's view, threatened to propel an activist, anti-business president toward a fate like that of Julius Caesar. As Shakespeare had it, Caesar was warned of his coming assassination by a soothsayer: "Beware the ides of March". Fortune gave Kennedy a deadly warning of its own by the title of its editorial: "Steel: The Ides of April".

http://books.google.com/books?id=KS-6XrdalGkC&pg=PA141&...




Like I said, one person can't stand up to Corporatism alone.

The people united will never be defeated!
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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 06:15 PM
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29. +1
Thanks for posting all that info with links.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 09:32 PM
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31. That will only happen when we overthrow Capitalism. Economic Power is Political Power.
Capitalism is incompatible with Democracy.
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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 10:30 PM
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 12:36 AM
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34. which party will get the $ out of politics?
i'll vote for it if ya got one.
we had the power and we didn't even mention repairing the corruption and stolen elections.
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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 12:12 PM
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36. Neither party...
We have to do it as organized activists.
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CleanGreenFuture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 12:40 AM
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35. No mention of what Dylan Ratigan on MSNBC has been saying the past week?
Apparently no one in interested in what he has to say or what he is doing.
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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 12:12 PM
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37. You mentioned it.
Thank you.
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CleanGreenFuture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 12:30 PM
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38. For those who aren't aware... Our Constitutional Amendment: Get Money Out of Politics
It’s time to get things done and finally get money out of politics. Our Washington insider Jimmy Williams is now preparing a Constitutional amendment to get big money from special interests out of our political system. We all know that they buy access and influence through campaign contributions, and benefit from the big payoffs (examples: Wall Street, health care, banking) and, of course, provide a lucrative revolving door to soften the blow when elected officials leave office.

Steps are already being taken by some big names. Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz urged fellow CEO’s and campaign donors this week to boycott campaign contributions until the parties actually do something constructive to fight long term fiscal concerns and the jobs crisis. Former PA Gov. Ed Rendell has said he will support it as well:

...continued at link...

http://www.dylanratigan.com/2011/08/19/our-constitution...



Lots of people here don't like Ratigan but at least he's doing something.

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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:23 PM
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40. Ratigan is wonderful
doesn't surprise me the DLC swarm here try to shout his fans down.

Thanks for the link.
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tooeyeten Donating Member (441 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 02:40 PM
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39. The enemy
is heavily funded through 3000 plus lobbyists with access to and ownership of Congress. And with corporate media reporting, there will not be any type of revolution anytime soon.
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