Tom Hartman has been playing many sound bytes

[nadinbrzezinski]

from FDR... and now Tweety is doing the same...

DC are you LISTENING?

[fascisthunter]

1. and somebody

unreeled your post... I just recced it and it was still at "0".

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. I could not give a rip about those "fans" to be honest

better be quiet and unrec, than pester and the rest

[fascisthunter]

5. yeah true...

I will say no more.

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[90-percent]

2. rec'ced

Rec'ced for the great Thom Hartmann and the great FDR!

-90% Jimmy

[gateley]

4. I don't think it is, nad. :-( nt

[Dr Fate]

6. FDR was obsessed with killing Japanese people. What kind of liberal is that?

Look, socialism was great back when it was centrist, but it is time that we stop begging Obama to adopt the old timey FDR attitudes.

Let Obama be Obama-he is better suited for the more modern attitude of Licoln or Reagan.

The far left Democratic base back in FDRs day hated the pragmatic new deal, just like the DEM base today hates pragmatic off shoring, pragmatic tax cuts for the rich, etc.

Obama is more centrist and more like FDR than DUers give him credit for.

[Bluenorthwest]

7. Liberals defend themselves when attacked you know..

Like when Iraq attacked us, and so there we are, still....oh. Yeah. Your revisionist bullshit is so wildly hyperbolic in style that it is just laughable. So I laugh. Lincoln 'more modern' than FDR? How does that work? And Reagan the worst modern President, and a Republican of the worst kind.

[demwing]

8. How is Lincoln more modern than FDR?

and how the fuck are tax cuts for the rich pragmatic? They have been PROVEN to be disastrous to the economy, so how can that POSSIBLY be pragmatic?

[Dr Fate]

12. because Obama knows it is smarter to surround yourself with people who oppose you.

This is what he took from Lincoln.

Reagan is more modern bc our economy is now based on Reganonmics, not FDRS old timey socialism-even the Liberal Bill Clinton knew that we had to change with the times on that one.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. No, that is waht he took from Goodwin's Team of Rivals

not Lincoln.

And our economy is doing so well we have full employment and all that... yup, it is doing just gangbuster with 100% full employment...

:sarcasm:

Sorry, but it is kind of funny when one applauds trickle down economics, which if failing AGAIN...

You know that is what Hoover also believed in... and we all know how well that went too.

Should I mention Grant. the first go around with that one?

[Dr Fate]

16. Obama does not have the majorities FDR had, and FDR did not get his majorites from acting Liberal.

FDR did not get his majorites by attacking Republicans and refuting Hoovers appointees and economic policies-he got them from being pragmatic and ignoring the Democrats who said the new deal was not enough.

FDR did not get his majorities from starting conflicts with Republicans, and neither did Obama.

Either way, the left is wrong to say that he needs to be "more liberal like FDR". If anything, he should imitate FDRs pragmatism, not his socialism.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. Truman didn't either

I am just damn tired about these excuses. I get it, the DEMOCRATIC party is now a RIGHT WING... bidness friendly party, while the Republicans are somewhere so far right it is not even funny. How about just being open about it? Liberals and progressives need not apply.

[Dr Fate]

24. I feel that I am one of the few DUers who is being open about centrism.

I'm not going to tell you that I am liberal and that I'm just being centrist bc it is pragmatic- I am a centrist bc I AGREE with centrism.

I agree with Obama that he should appoint moderate Republicans and centrists and no one that is too left.

I agree with Obama that the BLue Dogs and centrists in congress should control any internal policy debate.

I am a PROUD centrist. PROUD of supporting our Freedom wars, PROUD of supporting Obama's "no drama" handling of Joe Lieberman, PROUD of Max Baucus, etc.

For some reason, some of the centrists at DU have started acting ashamed of their positions, but not me. My centrist flag will fly and wave PROUDLY.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. I am glad that you do

and that is why I am now an INDEPENDENT voter. And that is because your center is so far right it makes my head spin. Yes, it is CENTER RIGHT, by any standard political science definition.

I am a LIBERAL and proud of it, and see how history is about to repeat itself, and not in a good way.

[carolinayellowdog]

40. I'd like to believe this is satirical

please

[polmaven]

25. Do you really think

that the loss of the UI benefits that were saved because of that extension would not have been a whole lot worse? Tens of millions more with no income and no money to spend? Really???

[demwing]

28. Do you really believe that those UI benefits could not have been saved otherwise?

Really?

[polmaven]

29. The Republicans

had already stated their opposition to extending them, and had prevented a vote on the bill in the Senate. Do you think the president should have gambled on that?

[demwing]

35. I wouldn't call it a gamble, I'd call it a fight

for what's right.

But I've accepted the fact that Obama either doesn't know HOW to fight for what he wants, or just doesn't want the same things Progressives want.

You may find that unimportant, and not of any great concern, but you aren't getting ignored, and sometimes berated by the President, either.

[polmaven]

36. Well,

you are apparently not unemployed. But your concern for those who are is touching.....NOT!

[demwing]

37. I've been unemployed since April

what else you got?

[polmaven]

39. I have been out

since June, 2010, except for a 1 month temp stint. if the UI benefits had not been extended, I would today be on the streets, having not been able to pay my mortgage since January. Talk to me about it after your first 26 weeks. That is not something to simply stand on principle and refuse to compromise. That is real people's lives.

[demwing]

41. First I wasn't unemployed, so I had no empathy

when that proved wrong, I wasn't as unemployed as you, so again I lack empathy.

The truth is you don't know shit about me, what I've lost, or what troubles I've had, and you assume that my positions are formed for all the wrong reasons, while yours - or course - are formed for all the right reasons.

That doesn't sound like you've got a handle on this empathy thing at all...

[demwing]

42. In the end, this is a distraction, I don't believe that Repukes would have acted on the bluff

but then we'll never know, because they are never made to back up their bullshit. Republicans threaten, Washington Dems piss their pampers.

Pretending that Obama detractors are not in favor of saving UI is just disingenuous.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. He became obsessed after this (Image heavy)

Not a second before...

And his policies did help to bring the country out of the Great Depression. Obama's policies, as well as the RNC are leading to this.



And no... these are not a proud moment of US history, nether are these



But obsessed about killing japanese? This is why this unit is the most decorated unit of WW II





(Yes this is a picture of Nissei Soldiers at Casino, from the 442nd RCT)



You know after Monte Casino the PUC was signed by the man who was obsessed with killing Japs...


:sarcasm:

[Ruby the Liberal]

11. Seriously?

Do you recall 1937? The disaster that was pragmaticism? The redefinition of disaster (See: Pragmatic, 1937)?

[Dr Fate]

13. I'm trying to say that FDRs pragmatic racism PROVES he was a centrist, not some wacky leftist.

The left tries to revise history by claiming that FDR was a liberal, and they fail to point out that the Democratic base hated the new deal bc they said it was not far left enough-just like now. This also proves that both FDR and Obama are centrists.

Socialism was fine back when it iwas centrist, but it is time for us to move into the new centrism of the future.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. Third way is fascism light

and no, it is time to move back to a MIXED and well REGULATED economy. Even Smith knew that was essential.

As to his racism... it was the vogue, on everybody, not a left right thing.

[Dr Fate]

18. He was clearly racist against the Germans as well.

Not just a vogue-but a disturbing pattern of behavior if you ask me. are we sure this is the guy we want Obama to be like?

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. THE US was quite racist at the time

we know... it is also part of our history... shame, we should just bury FDR now and take him off the textbooks!

:sarcasm:

[Ruby the Liberal]

19. Son, with all due respect, you out your mind.

[KoKo]

17. FDR to these people is just some "Old Dude from the Past" and not Relevant to Today...

Didn't you get that already from Obama Campaign and OFA New Campaign?

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. Why he can get donations from those who benefit

aka not me.

[KoKo]

26. I suspect you are not alone ...going forward. n/t

[cilla4progress]

23. Thank you for spelling "byte" correctly!

[Gold Metal Flake]

30. Sorry about your thread.

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. It's ok, FDR is the current punching bag

and by extension the rest of us

[Gold Metal Flake]

32. FDR is the past and the future.

So naturally his legacy must be destroyed.

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[louslobbs]

34. Rec'd for 12 yrs of service to We the People instead of today's GOVNT service to "corporate people"

FDR, even though he governed way before we were born, is sorely missed by all of us "Real People." Today's "corporate people" and their Republican operatives would probably have hired a "lone wolf" to assassinate FDR by now.
Lou

[Shagbark Hickory]

38. He also talks about posts on DU pretty regularly. Either him or someone using his name are posting

on DU as well. One time I asked if they were the real TH and never got an answer.