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Playinghardball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 09:18 PM
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Ron Paul attacks abortion in Ames speech: ‘All life is precious’
Source: Raw Story
By Eric W. Dolan

Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul began his speech in Ames, Iowa on Saturday by railing against abortion.

"There is something that precedes liberty, and that is life," the Texas congressman said. "I believe in a very limited role for the government, but the prime reason that government exists in a free society is to protect liberty and also to protect life, and I mean all life."

Paul, a libertarian, has gained an enthusiastic following for his strong views on limited government, free market economics and isolationist foreign policy, but has remained less vocal about social issues than most other Republicans.

The speech came ahead of the Ames Straw Poll, an early indicator of a candidate's appeal and organizational strength.

More at: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/08/14/congressman-ron-paul-attacks-abortion-in-ames-speech/

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tawadi Donating Member (631 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 09:20 PM
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1. Republicans love you until you're born. eom
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 09:25 AM
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19. George Carlin was right: "When you're pre-born you're fine, when you're pre-school you're fucked!!"
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 09:20 PM
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2. well, the limited government will lead to unlimited corporate power and devaluing of life
I mean, less consumer safety, a worse environment...that's the problem with libertarianism.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 09:21 PM
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3. Except for Muslim life
No, that's nuke-worthy.
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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 09:22 PM
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4. Unless we are bombing it.
Then it's just a game. Same deal for religion- only applies unless we want to ignore it.
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digonswine Donating Member (463 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 09:26 PM
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5. What were his feelings on this in the past?
I honestly don't know-but this looks like shameless pandering. Hypocrite dick.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 09:28 PM
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6. If he believes all life is precious,
why is he not a vegetarian? Those cows, pigs and chickens are a part of life. I would like to ask him that question.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 09:29 PM
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7. i thought these hypocrites ran on less government intrusion?
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 11:10 PM
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8. saw it...
Edited on Sun Aug-14-11 11:25 PM by handmade34
thought....

"life/līf/Noun1. The condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death."

PRECIOUS: of great value or high price: highly esteemed or cherished

is the life of the hungry child precious?
is the life of the homeless veteran precious?
is the life of the factory farm animal precious?
are the lives of families in dire poverty precious?
is the life of the bullied young LGBT person precious?
is the life of the emotionally distraught woman precious?
is the diverse life of the ecosystem precious?
is the life of the abused chilld precious?
is the life of the sick uninsured man precious?
etc...
etc...

I call Bullshit and we can't let irrational fundamentalist idiots destroy our society
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indurancevile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 11:19 PM
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9. Then why didn't you pull that baby out of the garbage can, ronnie?
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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 11:26 PM
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10. Only "Republican" babies are "precious":
All others are Scoailist/antidemocratic America haters and can therefore be drowned in the nearest bathtub. That's the new GOP slogan for 2012.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 11:34 PM
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11. What a bunch of bull. All life is precious. Yeah sure until after it is born.
Then it is no longer precious if it is the one of the wrong economic class. The rethugs are busy cutting all the life saving programs that FDR put together and they parrot this bull and expect us to believe it?
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 11:39 PM
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12. given the fact he is a working obstetrician i would expect him to say that
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 05:48 AM
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16. why?
Many, I dare say most OB's are pro choice IME.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 11:39 PM
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24. find a pro choice ob/gyn and ask her or him
my wife has been a nurse midwife for 20 years. she is pro choice and she would tell you, to her, every life is precious and she will do whatever she can to extend the viability of that life.
since i have had so much daily goings and comings with our areas obstetricians and midwives, through her,i feel pretty confident most ob's would say the same regardless of their poitical views

would we all be happier had he said "some lives are not precious at all and lack equal standing"?
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 01:50 AM
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30. Well first: we don't know he's a working OB. Second: I wouldn't expect bumper-sticker
platitudes to come from OB's with working brains. Third: "All life is precious" isn't the only thing he said regarding the matter at that little GOP hoe-down.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 09:36 AM
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20. Is he? A "working" OBGYN? or 'was' he one-
?

Seems to me he's not practicing nor has he been for awhile now. What's more, seeing life as precious doesn't mean being anti-abortion.

I have a problem with his claiming that "all life is precious and should be protected" while advocating policies which are little more than "every man for himself". Life is more than a fetus or an infant- it is also those he chooses to see as 'lazy', it is also the environment that surrounds us, it is also the people in other nations who are starving, suffering and dying, - his "all life is precious" rings hollow and empty.

It's a play for votes, which requires the average person to do NOTHING except tell others what they must do, while absolving themselves from any further responsibility.

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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 11:45 PM
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26. i do not know if he is still in practice
i am not the defender of ron paul so i really dont require lectures on what his policies may or may not lead to.
all i was saying is that, posing this same question to an ob/gyn of random pick would likely obtain the same answer.
its what they do all day long and none will ever likely say "oh well that one didnt make it....no biggee..."


but i forgot that i was in GD where every statement is a threat to the social order and must be beaten down!!!
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 12:55 AM
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13. Murderers. Rapists. Child molesters. Suicide bombers. Wait a minute...
He said "all life", not "all human life".

Guinea worms. Cockroaches. E. Coli. Hantavirus. Botflies.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 01:42 AM
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14. Well, he is consistent, whether you agree or not. I don't.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 09:44 AM
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21. is he??? saying that we must defend the right for everyone to have life
while advocating policies which will result in the suffering and death of those who are not born into prosperity, or able to achieve it?

Where is the "liberty" of a person do do with their own body, what they decide is best?

If all life is precious as Paul says, will he still support foreign aid which provides money, food, and medicines to those "lives" that depend on those of us in the nations who have so much, while others have so little suffer and die?

He's consistent about preaching a selfish me-centered mind-set perhaps, but his message that "everyone matters" doesn't match up with his, every man for himself politics in my view.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 01:56 AM
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15. All life is precious except women's lives. Ron Paul can go fuck himself.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 08:02 AM
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18. He's a hypocrite. A true Libertarian would protect a woman's
right to choose. Such pandering.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 09:46 AM
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22. You are correct.
Most libertarians I knew before this tea party shit started were big on pro-choice.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 10:04 AM
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23. Same here. Right to choose and end the wars are the two
things my good friend of thirty years and I can agree on :-). That and decriminalize pot.
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 01:42 AM
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29. +1
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 08:01 AM
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17. there were a few out of the woodwork paul supporters here in DU last week...
hope this point shuts them up.

paul, just like any other halfwit repuke, is pro-life and wants to limit or remove a woman's right to choose.
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BlueDemKev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 11:43 PM
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25. Kissing up to social conservatives....
...everybody knows that Ron Paul is pro-choice, but he knows that no one in the Republican Party can win the nomination if they're pro-choice....the last one to do it was Barry Goldwater almost 50 years ago.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 12:02 AM
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27. He means all life is precious, just that some is more precious
than others.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 12:05 AM
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28. Yet he supports capital punishment by the states.
"Paul stated in August 2007 that at the state level "capital punishment is a deserving penalty for those who commit crime," but he does not believe that the federal government should use it as a penalty."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul

Precious, so very precious. :eyes:
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