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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:01 AM
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This is What Austerity Looks Like
SUN AUG 07, 2011 AT 04:38 AM PDT
This is What Austerity Looks Like: Riots in North London
byBrit




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So those Chickens are coming home to roost. It's not condoning criminal activity to show how economic austerity has social consequences. Indeed it would be immoral NOT to point it out. And the factors here are obvious.

1. A massive rise in Youth Unemployment
2. The Closure of facilities for young people
3. The Removal of the EMA grant which have 16-18 years a weekly sum for remaining in education.
4. A rise in VAT (sales taxes) and energy price hikes


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MORE:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/07/1004145/-This-...
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:04 AM
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1. Those pictures have got sfa to do with austerity
Edited on Sun Aug-07-11 10:08 AM by dipsydoodle
That was opportunism by out of towners.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:05 AM
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2. How many times does it have to be said, economic inequality historically has led
to civil unrest? Governments sometimes seem populated with fiscal policy hawks who were born only yesterday.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:10 AM
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3. Austerity causes people to riot in and burn down their own neighborhoods?
:crazy:
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:15 AM
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4. The locals are horrified
at what was contributed too substantially by outsiders.

Riots and looting which scarred Tottenham were condemned as totally unacceptable by David Lammy MP, who blamed troublemakers from outside the area for much of the violence, last night.

Mr Lammy rejected comparisons between the scenes on Saturday in Tottenham High Road, with the notorious Broadwater Farm clashes between police and protestors 25 years ago.

Forty two arrests were made by police during a night of chaos in Tottenham, when petrol bombs set alight buildings, cash machines were stolen and looters ransacked shops.

http://www.london24.com/news/crime/tottenham_riots_cond...

Homes were broken into too. :(
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:24 AM
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7. thanks for the link...seems like a protest about the shooting that went out of control
when outsiders came in. very sad. :(
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:37 AM
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8. Something else started it
There was a peaceful protest at the police station. A girl of 16 started giving the police "some of that" probably right in their faces and was pushed away . By that the time that incident had done the rounds on twitter it had become she'd been murdered whatever by the police. That was what caused the subsequent problem and the influx from outsiders getting in on the act for some looting.

Assuming some of the 40 arrested to be outsiders I wouldn't want to be in their shoes when they come out of the magistrates and the locals vent their anger.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:06 AM
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11. Apparenlty riots sparked by shooting of an armed "gansta" who police say shot first
and this quote by the police after the shooting:
One source said: We can only hope that the backlash from the community is not severe it is effectively a death in custody.
Hopes dashed, apparently. The riots broke out 2 days later.

links:
story immediately after the shooting :( sorry, it is the Daily Mail)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2022670/Gangste...

riots:
from the Gaurdian:
"It started out as a peaceful demonstration. The police shot a guy here last week and they lied about what happened. They said he pulled a gun but he wouldn't have done that with armed police. They shot him so badly that his mother could not recognise him." a woman was quoted as saying.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/06/tottenham-riot...







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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:18 AM
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5. Their OWN neighborhoods?
People don't generally torch their own property, but if the top 1% own your house (via your upside down mortgage), your car, your job, your schools, and your government, I could understand somebody, after being told to suck it up even more, striking a match.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:23 AM
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6. Don't remember the 60's, eh?
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:39 AM
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9. I was thinking the same thing
I remember many urban neighborhoods burning in the U.S. and it wasn't just the sixties.



1992 LA riots

"The rioting was the single most violent episode of social unrest in the US in the twentieth century, far outstripping the urban revolts of the 1960s both in sheer destructiveness and in the fact that the riots were a multiracial revolt of the poor. In the initial phase of the LA riots, the police were rapidly overwhelmed and retreated, and the military did not appear until the rioting had abated."
http://libcom.org/history/1992-the-la-riots


Revolt of the poor.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 06:22 AM
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15. Yes, as a matter of fact I do remember
People torching their own neighborhoods (e.g. Watts) seemed just as self-destructive and stupid then as the situation in London does today.

Shouldn't they be torching rich peoples' homes, or the offices of politicians?
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:10 AM
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12. That was what happened in the 60s. Why should it be any different
today?
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:53 AM
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10. When the wealthy in a capitalist nation decide to keep it all
for themselves, and voting accomplishes nothing, guess what...
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 03:52 PM
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13. K&R..
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 04:29 PM
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14. Greatest Page for your post, my dear kpete...
Highly recommended.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 06:51 AM
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16. what bullshit. I have nothing but contempt for the kos diarist
who's trying to push a false narrative. It's disgusting.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 06:56 AM
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17. These riots were NOT caused by austerity. Let's just create disinformation.
Edited on Mon Aug-08-11 06:58 AM by Skidmore
The only truth is that the rioting harms the local economy there. Austerity as current policy is not the cause of problems already existing in the area. Conflating the two muddles the issues.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/aug/08/london-r...

"The Tottenham Hotspur chairman, Daniel Levy, has voiced his concern at the damage caused to the club's ticket office and the rest of the area by rioters in London this weekend.

Rioting erupted on Saturday evening less than a mile from White Hart Lane after a peaceful protest against the fatal shooting of local man Mark Duggan turned violent."
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