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CleanGreenFuture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:52 AM
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Scare at Wisconsin State Fair: witnesses describe mobs, some people claim racially-charged attacks
Edited on Fri Aug-05-11 10:58 AM by CleanGreenFuture
WEST ALLIS - Witnesses tell Newsradio 620 WTMJ and TODAY'S TMJ4 of a mob of young people attacking innocent fair-goers at the end of the opening night of State Fair, with some callers claiming a racially-charged scene.

Milwaukee Police confirmed there were assaults outside the fair.

Witnesses' accounts claim everything from dozens to hundreds of young black people beating white people as they left State Fair Thursday night.

Authorities have not given official estimates of the number of people involved in the attacks.

"It looked like they were just going after white guys, white people," said Norb Roffers of Wind Lake in an interview with Newsradio 620 WTMJ. He left the State Fair Entrance near the corner of South 84th Street and West Schlinger Avenue in West Allis.

Read more: http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/126825018.html
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:08 AM
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1. Too bad this had to happen now.
If they had waited a few more months when Wisconsin's CCW law goes into effect, a few of the shit stains responsible for this attack would be lieing in a morgue rather than running away like cowards.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:13 PM
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10. You guys are like the lower taxes crowd
no, guns do not solve everything, just like no taxes don't solve everything either.

But if it gives you comfort, go to the range and empty a few clips ok

As they say things are... complicated, and far beyond .45 ACP
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 03:23 PM
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34. You guys are like the gun ban crowd
no, gun bans do not solve everything, just like high taxes don't solve everything either.

But if it gives you comfort, go jack up taxes on everyone and expect criminals to turn in guns just because they have an extra law to break.

As they say things are... complicated, and far beyond gun bans and high taxation

(Since you enjoy simplistic posts, I thought I'd treat you to one so that you wouldn't feel left out)
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:13 PM
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12.  I imagine many people may perceive that
"a few of the shit stains responsible for this attack would be lieing (sic) in a morgue rather than running away like cowards...."

I imagine many people may perceive that as the only legitimate response.
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:21 PM
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16. What makes you think the "shit stains responsible for this attack" won't be packing heat as well?
There'd be a whole lot of bodies for the morgue, that I'll grant you.
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:08 AM
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2. This country is falling apart at the seams. n/t
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:37 AM
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4. Social disruption looks a lot like this.
Wonder if we'll see more of it as the economy tanks?

It will eventually go both ways.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:14 AM
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3. Racially-motivated crimes should be dealt with the harshest legal response.
Regardless of the race of the perpetrator.

PB
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:40 AM
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5. Hey Scott Walker, is this your brooks brother routine to cause
trouble for revenue starved Milwaukee County that you single handily left in tatters....
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:44 AM
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6. "Dozens to hundreds"...
And, only reported on two AM radio stations. Dozens or hundreds. An awful big difference between the two. Something stinks here.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:11 PM
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8. that's what i'm thinking too
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indurancevile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:28 PM
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and "intentionally targeting white people" -- isn;t wisconsin a highly white state? how would
you know if a gang in a crowd were intentionally targeting whites if the crowd was like, 90% white?

smells funny to me, too. especially with the black "flash rob" stuff that came out in the last few days.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:14 PM
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20. I was thinking the same thing. Something seems
fishy about this ~ I hope they get to question a few of them and find out what motivated this attack.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:19 PM
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22. Yup. People need to wait to get a good report on this story
because it sounds like bullshit.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:32 PM
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33. Sounds like an excuse to impose a curfew on the young-looking.
I think we'll be amazed in the coming days as to how many would-be political protesters look under 18 to security and don't have ID considered acceptable proof of age. :sarcasm:
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:13 PM
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31. Review this please:
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iemitsu Donating Member (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:09 PM
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7. sounds like a flash mob that got out of hand.
and it is one of the saddest stories i have read in quite some time.
whatever was really behind this event will be used to further divide and conquer our society.
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Eddie Haskell Donating Member (817 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:55 PM
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28. This could swing the election.
Couldn't have come at a worse time.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:14 PM
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32. Darn right it could effect this election...
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:11 PM
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9. Monitor for more stories like this
not the racial part, sadly will be a component, but these kinds. They speak to desperate people.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:13 PM
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11. Maybe Koch Brother money involved in this.
:shrug: Get your racist Tea Party up in arms days before the big Recall election..
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:17 PM
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14. So you're saying that some black people took money from the Kochs in return for beating up whites?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:18 PM
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15. There is a history of crap like that in the US
usually the other way around, but to me, it would not be shocking.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:28 PM
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"Hey, I hate Democrats, so here's a few bucks... I want you to do something for me..."
Is that how it goes? In My Humble Opinion, one must have a pretty low opinion of black youth in order to believe they'd take money from some pasty white guy in order to beat up other whites at a fair.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:21 PM
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23. Hmm not precisely... but we have a history of this crap
Edited on Fri Aug-05-11 01:23 PM by nadinbrzezinski
and usually the thugs are not black, but we have a history. Usually the thugs are very much white.

But as I said, we have a history. And that is an angle I don't discount completely.

It could also have been an initiation, again, another angle I would not discount.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:30 PM
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25. It's called a 'False Flag Operation.'
An Anonymous poster Tweets that black people are being beaten up at the Fair. By the time people figure it out, it's all over.
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Eddie Haskell Donating Member (817 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:47 PM
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27. Bingo!
This whole affair could have been started by a few politically motivated provocateurs. It's suspicious.
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:13 PM
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13. At least 24 arrested; here is a much more detailed account
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:28 PM
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17. Thanks for link.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:02 PM
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18. I wonder how the black youth unemployment might affect this story?
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/126828998.html

Tom Struebing, chief of the State Fair Police, said two of the seven injured officers were hospitalized. One was hit in the face with an improvised weapon; the other suffered a concussion.

Struebing said the fights that broke out in the midway area involved black youths fighting other black youths. He said those fights were not racially motivated.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:10 PM
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19. I was born in Milwaukee in 1949. It still is the most physically racially segregated city in the MW
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:18 PM
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21. OK
1) Complete refusal of legislative body to cooperate in any way, a la Harold Washington? Check.
2) Proliferation of news stories about black mob violence, a la David Dinkins and the infamous "wilding" incidents? Check.

Past is prologue.
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indurancevile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:24 PM
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24. could you elaborate a bit for those who aren't so familiar?
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:45 PM
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26. These were the strategies used against the first black mayors of major urban areas
In the case of Chicago, you had Harold Washington. Essentially, the City Council basically refused to do ANYTHING, to OK ANY of the Mayor's initiatives, even stuff they had themselves proposed and approved in the past. This is the stonewalling strategy, and it worked. Much of the GOP's Congressional strategy since Obama was elected comes straight from the playbook of the Chicago City Council as they kneecapped Harold Washington at every turn. Needless to say, the whole operation depends on some rather unsavory notions about the ability of black men to complete tasks: the strategy doesn't work unless the racist idea - latent or otherwise - churns in the back of people's minds.

In the case of New York City, you had David Dinkins. Now, Dinkins was by no means a "great" mayor, but one of the more remarkable phenomena that emerged during Dinkins' tenure was an almost obsessive media interest with the "concept" of wilding - supposedly a "fad" among black youth to go out in large "mobs" as attack bystanders and commit other chaos. The most famous case of "wilding" was, of course, the Central Park jogger case, which saw a white women raped in Central Park, supposedly by a mob of black teenagers (they were convicted on their confessions, and sent to prison, but were later freed when DNA evidence proved they had nothing to do with the rape). All through the early 90's in New York you had these supposed "wilding" incidents, just as we now see the media obsessed with supposed "flash mobs" of black youth attacking people today. Of course, for those of us who were teenagers in NYC at the time, the whole thing was an obvious joke: there was no "trend" among black youths to go "wilding." Large gangs of teenagers (of all races) had been doing the same throughout New York City since the late-1960's. There was nothing new or unusual about the so-called "wilding" incidents - they were the same old muggings and robberies - just rebranded to get stuck conceptually on Dinkins. Black mayor: black teenagers going wild, attacking - gasp - white people. One need hardly mention that two cases of the exact same thing happening in reverse - the Howard Beach incident and the Bensonhurst incident - were both big news, though nobody called them "wilding" incidents, despite the fact that they seemed to constitute the SAME behavior.

So, we now see these same two tropes emerging nationally as we have our first black President: the absolute legislative stonewall leading to perceptions of ineffectiveness; the construction of a "new" epidemic of black mob violence.

It's clear enough where these tropes come from, and what their purpose is.
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indurancevile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:04 PM
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30. interesting, thanks. that fits with my gut feeling about the supposed "flash rob" incidents.
strategy of tension shit.
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distantearlywarning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 02:02 PM
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29. This has been happening in PA too this summer
There have been several of these flash mobs in Philadelphia this summer (and see the story about the bus shootup too).

In Pittsburgh, where I live, a bus driver was attacked by a teenage mob and stabbed a few months ago - apparently for no reason other than to cause violence.

And then last week, not 1/4 mile from my house, this happened: http://www.wpxi.com/news/28723567/detail.html

This happened in an area that has been crime-ridden and largely African-American for 25 years but in the last few years has started to become gentrified. The Target store in the story just opened last week. I don't think it was an accident that it was attacked by this mob.

This whole country is going off the fucking rails.
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