Gallup has Obama's support by liberal Democrats up 2% to 83%.

[LoZoccolo]

[MannyGoldstein]

1. It's likely that I'm in denial, but..

that can't be right.

Can't.

[madfloridian]

2. I don't think so either.

[readmoreoften]

10. My lifelong lib Dem mother was sobbing about being betrayed by Obama today.

If the numbers are up it could only mean that the population is in terror of Republicans to the absence of rational thought. But I don't think that's the case.

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[Kalidurga]

3. It's Gallup...

so who knows. I have noticed lately they are all over the place in their polling, wide swings that I can't wrap my head around. Most polls trend... Anyway, could be accurate. The only poll I care about comes in Nov 2012.

[lonestarnot]

85. Nough said on that shit.

[peace frog]

36. Agreed.

[snooper2]

49. Or you live in a different little "DU" World along with a couple other 100 posters

[emulatorloo]

51. DU is a bubble. Dem 77%/Liberal Dem 83%/Mod Dem 76%/ ConservDem 59%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Appr...

July 25-31, 2011:

Democrat 77%
Liberal Democrat 83%
Moderate Democrat 76%
Conservative Democrat 59%

[scheming daemons]

77. Yeah, especially after he cut Social Security like you said he would.... er....wait...

[MannyGoldstein]

80. Do you think he could have done more to

cut Social Security? Or do you not understand how the US government works?

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[steve2470]

4. Does Gallup call cell phones or only landlines ? nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. Actually not just Gallup

land lines are almost exclusively used... which is one of the serious problems.

[Leopolds Ghost]

13. Don't see as it makes a difference. n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. Well it does as this weight polls into an older population

It is a major critique of the companies.

[LoZoccolo]

17. I like having you in my threads.

[FarLeftFist]

5. Please provide links

[Lasher]

42. It's a Loco Zoco thread.

We're lucky we got a whole sentence.

[LoZoccolo]

71. Can I start calling my one-liner threads this name you have made up?

[Lasher]

74. Why sure.

It's all good clean fun.

[City Lights]

76. LOL! eom

[Lasher]

87. Don't get me wrong, I actually like LoZoccolo

I don't understand exactly why but I do. Can't wait for the next one line OP!

[emulatorloo]

53. Link here

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Appr...

July 25-31, 2011:


Democrat 77%
Liberal Democrat 83%
Moderate Democrat 76%
Conservative Democrat 59%

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[gateley]

7. I wonder what their criteria for "liberal" are. We have to remember

that MOST of us are farther left than many Dems who consider themselves liberal.

[Leopolds Ghost]

14. Well, many Dems are uninformed and voted for Reagan because he would stand up to the "fat cats" n/t

[gateley]

18. I don't dispute that, but that doesn't mean that they don't

consider themselves Liberal and would identify themselves as such in a poll.

[peace frog]

37. By today's standards

anyone to the left of Eric Cantor is a frigging librul.

[gateley]

40. Boy, ain't that the truth! nt

[Scurrilous]

9. Terrible news!

[readmoreoften]

11. You've got that link?

[emulatorloo]

54. Just in case you missed it. here:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Appr...


July 25-31, 2011:


Democrat 77%
Liberal Democrat 83%
Moderate Democrat 76%
Conservative Democrat 59%

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[Firebrand Gary]

19. Hahaha, the poll is altered then.

[LoZoccolo]

20. You checked it against something else.

[emulatorloo]

55. You are wrong Here:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Appr...


July 25-31, 2011:


Democrat 77%
Liberal Democrat 83%
Moderate Democrat 76%
Conservative Democrat 59%

[Forkboy]

21. Yet he's bleeding off Independents at a rapid clip.

Between 2008 and 2010 he lost 23% of Independent's support...


INDEPENDENTS – It's swing-voting independents who, as usual, made the difference today. Independents favored Republicans for House by a thumping 15 points, 55-40 percent, in the national exit poll. Compare that to Obama's 8-point win among independents in 2008.

If it holds in updates, it'll be the Republicans' biggest win among independents in exit polls dating to 1982 – by a single point. The GOP won independents by 14 points in 1994, the last time they took control of the House.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/vote-2010-elections-resu...
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On top of that news come news that he is STILL losing more Independents...



Obama Loses Ground in 2012 Poll; Romney Still Leads GOP Race, But Perry Strong With Tea Partiers

President Obama had held an 11 point lead last May when matched against an unnamed (“generic”) Republican in the 2012 presidential race, but now he finds himself in the lead by a statistically insignificant 41 percent to 40 percent margin with 19 percent undecided, according to a Pew Research Center poll conducted July 20-24.

Pew finds the reason for Obama’s decline is what it describes as a “steep drop-off” in support for him among independents, who were a key to his election in 2008 . In May, independents said they wanted to see Obama re-elected by a 42 percent to 34 percent margin, with 24 percent answering “don’t know.” Now, 39 percent preferred the Republicans compared to 31 percent who wanted to see Obama re-elected, with 29 percent answering “don’t know.”



http://www.pollwatchdaily.com/2011/07/28/obama-loses-gr...
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Things aren't looking great in Pennsylvania either...



If Pennsylvania is a Bellwether State, Obama Has Problems

President Obama defeated John McCain in Pennsylvania in 2008 by 54 percent to 44 percent, but polls for months have consistently shown his standing with voters has gone down, and a new survey by Quinnipiac University again shows that Obama has work to do if he is to carry the state again next year.

Fifty-two percent do not think Obama deserves re-election compared to 43 percent who say he does, with 6 percent undecided. Voters disapprove of his performance as president by 54 percent to 43 percent, with 3 percent undecided. That puts his standings back to where they were before the short-lived bounce he had in the polls after the U.S. operation that resulted in the death of Osama bin Laden.

In match-ups with possible Republican opponents, Mitt Romney edges Obama by 44 percent to 42 percent with the rest undecided or preferring another choice. The margin of error is 2.7 points.

Obama barely comes out ahead of native son Rick Santorum, who represented the state for two terms in the House and another two terms in the Senate. Obama leads him by 45 percent to 43 percent with the remainder undecided or preferring someone else.

http://www.pollwatchdaily.com/2011/08/02/if-pennsylvani... /
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So, despite your own OP which shows excellent support from Democrats and Liberals, and my post which shows wavering to outright lousy support for Obama among Independents, you still go after Democrats on DU with a near religious fervor. Interesting for someone who claims to support Democrats.

[ClarkUSA]

22. Independents felt Pres. Obama and Democrats overreached on HCR, etc. leading up to Nov. 2010.

According to exit polls at the time... I know, because I was saying WTF happened when I was back in NJ. Indies across the nation thought he was too partisan and liberal in his legislative efforts. They decided to create some balance and vote in teabaggers everywhere.

Dumbasses.

[Forkboy]

25. Independents are a fickle bunch.

They range from the far right to the far left. Appealing to them is a crap shoot. Which is why I believe that strengthening our left flank is always wise before going after such unpredictable voters. It's foolish to risk losing votes from both angles. And, as a bonus, by protecting our left flank we're also protecting the Democratic ideals espoused by our Party for decades.

[Mimosa]

38. That's NOT what happened

2008 and 2010 I was poll watcher at major voting locations for a week each time.

2008: North metro Fulton County long lines. Young people, hispanic, whites and blacks. Working people, taking time off. The most obvious points were youthful enthusiastic voters. they were seemingly inspired, happy. brought coolpacks with drinks and even seats, to wait in lines.

2010: Spotty lines, no crowds. People were older. Mid 40s to mid 60s average, white. Most notably I didn't observe hispanics or blacks in any significant numbers. It was like day and night compared to 2008 in the exact same polling stations. The minorities did not show up at all. A few Asians. But the lines were largely older whites. The big SUV and pickup truck crowd.

My on site observations were that the youth and minority voters did not show up in 2010. Traditionally they do not show up for congressional or even gubernatorial votes.

[ClarkUSA]

81. According to exit poll results reported by the news at that time, that's exactly what happened.

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[LoZoccolo]

29. You can alert it if you think I am lying, and go to Ask The Administrators if it's not locked.

[emulatorloo]

56. You are wrong. Once more the gallup link:

July 25-31, 2011:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Appr...


Democrat 77%
Liberal Democrat 83%
Moderate Democrat 76%
Conservative Democrat 59%

[Forkboy]

23. And could you provide a link please?

[LoZoccolo]

31. It's on the Gallup site.

[Forkboy]

32. So you shouldn't have troubles providing the link.

[LoZoccolo]

33. I shouldn't.

[Forkboy]

34. No, you really should.

[emulatorloo]

57. Forkboy, here is the link. The 83% number is correct

Not clear why LoZoc will not provide it.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Appr...

July 25-31, 2011:


Democrat 77%
Liberal Democrat 83%
Moderate Democrat 76%
Conservative Democrat 59%

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[emulatorloo]

60. Yes, I do not know why a link wasn't provided.

BTW I am glad to see you around more these days! Hope all is going well for you.

[Forkboy]

61. Thanks, things are going ok.

Health issues keep rearing their ugly head, but hopefully they will be behind me soon....until next time.

Thanks again for providing the info, and hope things are well with you.

[emulatorloo]

64. Here too. . .

Happily most of my health stuff is behind me too, it has been a long haul . . . until next time, like you say!

See you around DU

[ClarkUSA]

24. Good news. That just shows President Obama's approach was understood by a large part of his base.

Meanwhile, Congress scores 18% in RCP's polling aggregate.

[readmoreoften]

26. It's a fraudulent link and manufactured data and he admits it.

The actual number is 72% of self-identified liberals.

[LoZoccolo]

30. The OP is right.

[emulatorloo]

46. Look at "Liberal Democrats". That's what OP cited.

[emulatorloo]

50. You are wrong. Here's the link and the numbers:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Appr...

July 25-31, 2011:


Democrat 77%
Liberal Democrat 83%
Moderate Democrat 76%
Conservative Democrat 59%

Self_Identified Liberals is a different category. You are correct that is 72%. However OP post is about Liberal Democrats.

[Bluebear]

28. No, no it's 94% soon to be 112%!

[readmoreoften]

35. It's a millionteenth percent. And the teabaggers have negative zero million.

And Obama is a rock star in a white glitter cat suit and KISS boots and he lives on Marshmallow Lane with all his DU campaign elves where he makes magic deals happen with his laserlight guitar so that even when medicare is cut for no reason at all, it's a big glitter win!!!!!

[peace frog]

39. That's it. I'm moving to Mr. Rogers' neighborhood

as soon as I find the Way-Back machine to return to 1971. Think they will listen when I warn them of the future? Nah, me neither.

[JDPriestly]

41. They aren't polling me any more, I notice.

[highprincipleswork]

43. PROPAGANDA REIGNS SUPREME

These days propaganda reigns supreme. No balance at all in the media, as everyone no doubt has noticed. Very little sense of truth, less it serves the man.

Very doubtful that true Liberals can be more in favor of him now, because I can just do a rough poll of the people I know who are Liberal, and they are fighting mad.

I came to the point where I was calling anyone in Congress who would listen that this is not a popular President. Not from the right and not from the Left either. Frankly, I doubt many middle of the roaders are looking for this kind of weak leadership either.

Can you imagine igniting the type of enthusiasm that was seen in 2008 from this sodden mass of policies and actions? No way. I hope, I wish he would feel the abandonment and the loss and the loneliness. For what will convince him, the President, that this way there be dragons???

In the meantime, I am appealing to Democrats in Congress to know that it is time, after all this b.s., to stand up and say no to their President, strongly and often, till we right these wrongs and take back common sense in America today.

As it is, we are all being led by the Tea Party, and President Obama is following policies that are directly antithetical to anything he ran on. How is it that that is going to provide a solid turnout and a solid vote of support?

It simply does not make any sense, which is why I do no trust those figures in the least.

[Lasher]

44. Gallup: Obama’s Approval Hits All-Time Lows With Independents, Moderates and Conservative Democrats

President Barack Obama’s job approval ratings hit all-time lows last week among self-described Independents, moderates and conservative Democrats, according to the Gallup poll.

At the same time, Obama’s job approval ratings increased among self-described liberals and liberal Democrats, according to Gallup.

The all-time low job approval ratings for Obama among Independents, moderates and conservative Democrats—and the improvement in his job approval among liberals and liberal Democrats—came during a week in which Obama was negotiating with congressional leaders for legislation to increase the federal government's debt limit.

The trends suggest that Obama’s handling of the debt-limit issue did not improve his standing among those who perceive themselves to be in the middle of the American political spectrum.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gallup-obama-s-approval...

[peace frog]

45. but but but

Centrism! Bipartisanship! Postpartisanship! Third way! DLC!

This is what comes from refusing to dance with the ones that brought you, Mr. Obama.

[emulatorloo]

48. See my post below. It is a quote from the same story.

[emulatorloo]

47. "Obama's ratings improved among self-described liberals & Liberal Democrats"

Says it right there in black and white.

[Lasher]

75. Yes it does, just like LoZoccolo said.

He was having some fun with us by being coy about a link.

[NeedleCast]

52. I love DU's reaction to poll numbers

If the poll says what you want it to say: Celebrate!

If the poll doesn't say what you want it to say: Claim poll is poorly done or non-factual.

[Number23]

86. I know. I have almost hurt myself laughing reading this board the last few days

The "it's PROPAGANDA!!!one!1" posts in this thread are making tears stream down my face.

[jpak]

58. but...but...but.....

[Marr]

62. Hmm-- according to those poll numbers, if Obama loses reelection next year,

it looks like the group to blame would be the Conservative Democrats, right?

[Recursion]

67. Basically. The same people who kicked out their blue dog reps and replaced them with Republicans

As stunning as it may seem in the echo chamber, if Obama is going to face a primary challenge it's going to be from his right, not his left.

[City Lights]

63. Unrec because LoZo refused to provide a link to stats he cited.

Thank you to the DUers who provided the link LoZo was too lazy to provide.

[Forkboy]

65. LoZo was trolling, and the mods repeatedly turn a blind eye to him doing so.

Short of using a dead cancer victim to make his point, he gets away with whatever he wants.

[City Lights]

70. It appears that way. eom

[scheming daemons]

78. Posting a thread that is 100% true is not "trolling".... link or no link

If he lied or misrepresented the facts, and he has done so before, then you'd be right.


But not this time.

[muffin1]

66. Lots of people call themselves "liberal democrats".

Doesn't make it so.

[Recursion]

68. Ah, the no true Scotsman defense

Must be nice to be the arbiter of what is and isn't liberal.

[ahumanist]

69. Gallup must not poll near me.

Progressives I know are not at all enthusiastic about the President's performance. Then again, support and enthusiasm are distinct from each other.

[hay rick]

72. Liberal Democrats loosely defined...

[Ganja Ninja]

73. It also has his overall disapproval at 49% and his overall approval at 42%.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/gallup-daily-obama-jo...

[truebrit71]

79. Yeah, not so much...

...NFW...

[ibegurpard]

82. the problem is people that define themselves as "liberal" Democrats

are no such thing

[unkachuck]

88. congratulations, LoZoccolo....great job!

....but don't make the Progressives and Liberals angry, that number could go down....

[BiggJawn]

89. They didn't ask me. n/t