does anyone believe the President will let the Bush tax cuts expire?

[sasha031]

[phantom power]

1. He hasn't yet, with every good reason to.

:shrug:

[ClarkUSA]

14. You mean when he compromised last year and extended UI for the long-term unemployed?

That's a better and more liberal reason than screwing the wealthy at the expense of the some of the most needy amongst us.

[Auntie Bush]

33. Ag. He saved the 99er's for a year. Ask their families if it was worth it?

[polmaven]

39. It was the "26ers" and everyone beyond that

that he rescued. In this economy, the Republicans had already blocked any extension of UI beyond 26 weeks! 26 WEEKS!! Do you have any idea how many of us would have been out on the streets if that had happened? I am now going on 13 months. Millions more, in addition to the 99ers, would have had no income. What do you think that would have done to the economy? Another 15+ million with nothing to spend? Damned right it is worth it! Oh, btw...the 99ers were not part of the agreement. I wish they had been.!!

[Capitalocracy]

40. I wouldn't exactly call it screwing the wealthy.

Maybe that deal would've looked a lot better if Obama said we were extending the tax cuts as a bargaining chip for the unemployment checks, rather than as a way to stimulate the economy and a good idea.

[dennis4868]

45. also...

if he did not make that deal taxes would have gone up on the middle class...

[ClarkUSA]

57. That's right. Thanks for the reminder.

Nice to see you, dennis.

:hi:

[PufPuf23]

47. Why don't you answer this question regard to $ flows?

Regards to net dollars, POTUS Obama traded more deficit in two years of tax cuts to wealthy for 6 months of employment benefits for some.

You should look at the accounting.

[ClarkUSA]

49. I'm not a bean counter. His compromise was the right and compassionate thing to do in human terms.

[PufPuf23]

63. If you were a bean counter, you would know what was done was politically expedite

and was wrong and un compassionate policy in human terms.

POTUS Obama traded the sort term for the long term with less present net worth and options for the future regards to cash flow and humane treatment of the People.

If you do do realize this, you should educate yourself in economic social science rather than (already failed) economic ideology.

Seriously Dude, you often embarrass yourself and put POTUS Obama in a poor light at DU in enthusiasm and apolgetics rather than reality.

This does not help the Democratic Party nor POTUS Obama nor your own credibility.

I seldom post because at DU because some posters disrupt so there cannot be serious converstaion.

[ClarkUSA]

66. If you were compassionate, you would know what was done was necessary for millions of Americans.

[PufPuf23]

67. At the cost of the interests of millions more over time.

Count some beans.

Some can do with minor research and pen on the back of an envelope what you call compassionate.

Convenient does not equal compassionate if one counts beans (especially if one counts beans with a degree of sophistication).

More individuals loss over short and long term at a greater cost to the Federal government for shprt term security of a minority.

Then this is claimed as a "victory".

A poster should not post about topics if they ar unwilling or uncapable of "counting beans".

[ClarkUSA]

71. I am not interested in being a bean counter at the expense of making those in dire need suffer badly

[PufPuf23]

78. I do not really want to engage you and ask that you ignore me after this response.

Then why are you a Rancher Brand apologist?

Here is a clue.

Those in dire need are suffering and will suffer more because of POTUS Obama.

I gave POTUS Obama $1000 and pissed on lifetime relationships over my idealism from his marketing program as Candidate Obama.

I have been a Democrat for 40 years and supported LBJ (64), McCarthy (68), and RFK(68) when I was too young to vote but for part of the time eligible for Vietnam draft until I could legally vote for McGovern.

Nixon was more liberal and had more integrity than POTUS Obama. I hated Nixon more than anyone POTUS up to GWB. Obama is a Democratic but a human nightmare on the environment compared to Nixon. I was a USDA employee from 1969 to 1986 when I resigned under Reagan because my agency was not following the spirit nor rule of law set under Nixon by executive order. I had also been a Cal student when Reagan was Governor of CA. Reagan destroyed ideological enemies regardless of their success in his governing.

[SwampG8r]

79. yeah trust the compassionate liberals

hmmmm...why does that sound eerily familiar
compassionate liberals.........

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[ClarkUSA]

50. WTF are you talking about?

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[ClarkUSA]

55. Who's "We"? Are you a fan of tinfoil hats?

:tinfoilhat:

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[ClarkUSA]

61. Prove it. List all the instances I have done so.

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[ClarkUSA]

65. So you got nuthin'. Why am I not surprised?

:tinfoilhat: It fits you perfectly.

[Vanje]

52. "Screwing the Wealthy"!?

By asking them to pay their share!?

Oh the Humanity!

[ClarkUSA]

56. Yes, considering how many people keep blaming Pres. Obama for his compassionate compromise.

The clear impression is some people seem to care more about screwing the wealthy than applauding or at least understanding President Obama's very liberal decision to save millions of long-term unemployed from certain destitution last December.

[alfredo]

81. No, pay your fair share or we will sodomize your wife's poodle.

[ProfessionalLeftist]

2. Hell no. n/t

[sasha031]

10. listening to jan schakowsky, she says she believes the president

what I heard him say yesterday, he did not get everything he wanted in the deal, such as entitlement reform

sad, but I no longer trust him

[DesertFlower]

19. i don't trust him either. to be honest

i can't stand looking at him today. it's almost as bad as looking at boehner and cantor.

[sasha031]

27. I understand how you feel,I tried to give him the benefit of a doubt many time

can't anymore, he is not on our side.
w=we need to take the house and gain more seats in the Senate.

I was looking at the districts these tea baggers are from, they are deep red, it's going to be tough

[DesertFlower]

46. i did the same thing, but i can't

anymore.

[OhioChick]

3. Hell no n/t

[jannyk]

Ain't gonna happen' nt

[readmoreoften]

4. Probably will strike a bargain that changes the arrangement by .1%

And his campaigners will be out here calling it a win and screaming at everyone until their monitors are covered in spittle.

[QC]

5. It seems very unlikely, don't you think? n/t

[SusanaMontana41]

6. Hell no. Not in an election year. He wants the mythical "middle." n/t

[Maru Kitteh]

You mean it's not up to the legislative branch?

[Enrique]

15. no, it's in Obama's hands

congress will vote to extend them, that's a 100% certainty. The question is whether Obama will sign it.

[Blecht]

7. Only if they're replaced with something worse

Worse for the bottom 99%, that is.

[Skip_In_Boulder]

8. I only have his past performance to look at.

And that's not promising.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

9. Doesn't Congress have to do that?

[Ruby the Liberal]

11. Nope. nt

[Bluenorthwest]

12. If he says he will, then he won't. His word would be worthless

save that it is a consistent 180 degrees from what he does in the end, from what he intends from the start.

[Blue-Jay]

13. This is a bookmark.

[Raksha]

54. Good idea to bookmark this thread for future reference.

I just did - thanks for the suggestion.

[rainy]

16. Yes. He has to. There's nothing left. It's all he has to hold on to whatever

support he has left.

[Starry Messenger]

17. No.

[Lasher]

18. Obama doesn't want to Bush tax cuts to expire. Ever.

He is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

[Warren Stupidity]

25. His catfood commission wants to lower them even more.

[Lasher]

75. Wouldn't you think a deficit reduction commission would be doing the exact opposite of that?

But I'm just a simple country boy. That's probably too complicated for me to understand. Probably increases revenues by cutting taxes, I guess. Seems I've heard that somewhere before.

[Warren Stupidity]

77. oh they compensate by abolishing middle class deductions and adding new middle class taxes

homeowner deductions reduced/abolished
health insurance taxed as income.

welcome to disaster capitalism

[Liberalynn]

20. No

[dkf]

21. Yes i do.

[tcaudilllg]

28. You're behaving just like the Tea Party.

Unable to look at yourself honestly, and make the changes others need for you to make.

[dkf]

38. He said he would.

Taking him at his word is being a tea bagger? Funny.

In addition I think it's the sane thing to do. We need all that revenue.

[ClarkUSA]

22. I do. But when he does, no one will give him credit but his supporters, just like w/DADT repeal.

[Warren Stupidity]

24. when this doesn't happen you all will come up with an endless series of

bullshit rationalizations for why it was the right thing to do.

Oh, and many of 'us' give Obama credit where credit is due, including DADT.

[ClarkUSA]

30. It will happen and no one but his supporters will give him honest credit for it.

[Warren Stupidity]

72. So when it doesn't happen will you post your disapproval here?

hypothetically of course, I understand your absolute certainty that the tax cuts will expire. So, hypothetically, if it plays out JUST LIKE IT DID LAST TIME, will you publicly voice your opposition here to this, and specifically to our party's and our president's approval of the extensions?

[ZombieHorde]

70. I have been very critical of President Obama from time to time, but I give credit where credit is

due. I am very happy President Obama repealed DADT.

If the tax cuts expire, I will be happy about that too.

[BeyondGeography]

23. He'd have to raise everyone's taxes, and he won't do that

you can't have a carve-out without legislation. This was something you tackle when you have legislative majorities. Major fail from the WH on down.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. Nope, past is prologue

and I hope to eat some wonderful crow pie on this.

[cordelia]

29. Nope.

[DJ13]

31. If the new catfood commission follows prior recommendations he wont need to

Remember, his prior commission had new tax rates, those same rates may be voted in on an up or down vote later this year.

[Kolesar]

32. "Can anybody be so stupid as to believe...." eom

[RickFromMN]

34. The Bush Tax cuts will not expire. The Republicans will hold something hostage.

I have no idea, yet, what that something will be.

President Obama will capitulate before the negotiations begin.
President Obama will negotiate from a position of weakness.

The Republicans will get their way.

Aren't there things our side can hold hostage too, to balance the playing field?

[mmonk]

35. I do not know what he will do. His track record is not good and is

unpredictable but calculated.

[killbotfactory]

36. Obama has been clear about getting rid of the tax cuts

But republicans have had enough power in government to ensure that they don't get repealed without screwing over the poor and most needy.

[BiggJawn]

37. Hell. No.

Hey, he's already set precedence on the matter. Caved in like a Chinese coal mine in '10, will do the same thing next year.

[Motown_Johnny]

41. Yes, that is why they expire in an election year. He could have extended them longer

if he wanted them to survive


They will be a major campaign issue

[ClarkUSA]

44. You got it.

:thumbsup:

[in_cog_ni_to]

42. Of course not. n/t

[aquart]

43. No. He's already waffling.

[BlueIdaho]

51. There will be a "crisis"

That crisis will bring the economy to some sort of artificially induced brink that will force the President into negotiations that will lead to an agreement to once again extend the tax cuts for the good of the nation. His minions will then rush to progressives and swear to them that the President's heart is with them but he was forced into a deal he did not want.

And it's Groundhog's Day again.

[mitchtv]

58. no

I hope I'm wrong

[ibegurpard]

60. hell no

[FreeState]

64. Probably not, but he will

Lose the general if he does not change course and fast.

[TransitJohn]

68. No.

He doesn't want to.

[bigwillq]

69. I am not holding my breath.

But we will see what happens.

[grahamhgreen]

73. He already answered that one!!! Did he let them expire??? -------NO-------

In reality he will most likely let them expire de facto, while creating replacement tax cuts with the commission that will essentially provide income or cut taxes for the same class of hoarders.

[Creideiki]

74. Close your eyes really tight...

Clap your hands fast!

And say, "I believe the tax cuts will expire! I believe the tax cuts will expire!"

And maybe Tinkerbell will be saved.

[blindpig]

76. Nope

It ain't chess, it's three card monte.



suckers game

[alfredo]

80. He's got an ace in the hole, defense contractors. Many are

located in Republican districts.