Getting this fake crisis kicked to after the campaign is good politics for Obama.

[Stinky The Clown]

Notice that part was included.

Taxes on the rich? Meh

Concern for the least of us? mmmpf

Campaign politics? yoobetcha

[ClarkUSA]

1. What are the exact details of the final approved plan which passed the Teabagger House? Tell us!

Hmm? You seem the know so much.

[Stinky The Clown]

3. Why do you bother to engage me in my threads?

I don't engage you in your threads. You shall never change my mind and I shall never change yours. I'm certain you see me to be as one noted as I see you.

Can we leave it there and not annoy each other?

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[Sarah Ibarruri]

2. (sigh) I agree. All of it is bullshit. I'm physically tired of this crap. nt

[OhioChick]

5. Same here n/t

[CoffeeCat]

47. I agree Sarah...

I am tired of these games.

Most of us know that these theatrics are a sham, and orchestrated only to
allow these bastards to gift the millionaires and screw senior citizens
and the rest of the middle class.

I don't need to witness these thugs acting like drama queens and playing
their bit roles.

CNN has a "countdown" clock, for Pete's sake. Nice dramatic touch.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

55. Sickening. I feel like leaving the country. This all actually makes me ill. nt

[ClarkUSA]

4. I don't recall a peep in protest when Bernie Sanders "embraced SML Mitch McConnell's proposal."

Hate to tell you, but McConnell's plan was not a victory for liberals and only left six months until the next default.

[Stinky The Clown]

7. Please save your breath

There are other soapboxes, most higher than the one I am prepared to provide you.

[ClarkUSA]

9. Yes, I can see you're not interested in addressing a clear cut case of rank hypocrisy.

[Stinky The Clown]

11. Okay, that's it. You wore me down. I'm convinced. Everything you've ever said to me is correct.

I am an abject failure at understand high level politics. I shall now pledge to forever listen to you and take it as gospel.

[ClarkUSA]

16. lol!

[Stinky The Clown]

17. Fact (Not speculation):

When you resort to "prove it", the only logical follow-on is "nyah nyah, nyah nyah."

We're done. I hope the rest of your evening is cheerily memorable.

[ClarkUSA]

20. That's not a fact; it's speculative opinion. That you think it is explains your usual OP content.

[NorthCarolina]

18. Never give in to an agitator. nt

[ClarkUSA]

21. Nice self-portrait! Or is that a candid of Bill Clinton by Monica Lewinsky?

[Stinky The Clown]

22. Good one.

[ClarkUSA]

30. Is? So you know what North Carolina looks like?

[in_cog_ni_to]

6. Well, should we expect more from someone who plans to raise a BILLION dollars for campaigning?

Which, in this economy with so many people suffering, is unseemly...and pretty damn distasteful. Though not one dime of that Billion dollars will be mine.

Nothing matter more than getting reelected. Which he won't be anyway.

[ClarkUSA]

10. When did President Obama ever say that? Quote?

[Stinky The Clown]

12. Boy, this thread has really gotten a good deal of air into your knickers.

Pretty amusing.

Carry on.

[ClarkUSA]

13. lol! Is that what you call asking for proof of bullshit claims?

[Stinky The Clown]

19. No. It is how I describe someone desperate to score shots.

I'm not playing.

Bye.

[ClarkUSA]

24. Your red herrings hasn't distracted me from noticing the lack of proof by in_cog_ni_to.

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. Eat crow. Post below. Bullshit my ass. n/t

[ClarkUSA]

27. It is bullshit. President Obama has never said that, nor has anyone connected to him.

How do you want your crow cooked?

[in_cog_ni_to]

33. I never said he said it. I just gave you evidence that that is what his campaign

expects to raise...and it's UNSEEMLY. How did that crow taste?

[ClarkUSA]

37. You said "someone who plans to raise a BILLION dollars for campaigning" and can't provide proof.

How does crow taste?

[in_cog_ni_to]

44. He DOES plan to raise one billion dollars. Getting full on that crow yet? n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

25. That was the first thing announced when he announced he was running again.

And you know very well Obama isn't going to put that quote out himself.


<snip>


Could raise $1 billion
Obama amassed a record $750 million as he surged to victory in 2008. His 2012 campaign total is expected to hit $1 billion or more, even without a major Democratic primary opponent or the emergence of a strong Republican contender.

"It's definitely within reach, as he raised three quarters of a billion last time. As the incumbent president it's quite plausible to imagine him raising $1 billion," said CFI Executive Director Michael Malbin.

Jim Messina, a former White House deputy chief of staff who will run Obama's, has been telling big supporters they will need to collect $350,000 each. His campaign headquarters will be in Chicago will be staffed with White House veterans.

Obama made his message clear on Tuesday at a $30,800-plate fund-raiser at a popular New York restaurant.

"I could not do what I do ... if I didn't know that I had a lot of people out there rooting for me and a lot of friends supporting me," Obama told donors at the dinner, which raised $1.5 million for the Democratic National Committee.<snip>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42415155/ns/politics-decisi...

[ClarkUSA]

28. lol! You're quoting some outside know-nothing? What a joke!

[in_cog_ni_to]

34. You know it's true. You're really looking foolish in your defense of this.

It was all over the news when he announced his plan to run again. Give it up. You know the truth.

[ClarkUSA]

36. No, I think your claim is bullshit because you obviously can't prove your original premise.

[in_cog_ni_to]

45. You are ignoring 2 quotes given to you. You know it's true. Poor thing...

that crow must be tasting pretty bad by now.

[sad sally]

31. U. of course, are correct - the billion expectation didn't come directly from him.

Maybe he doesn't have a clue how much money is expected to be raised for his re-election.

“Former West Wing staffer Jim Messina, Obama’s likely campaign manager, has been holding donor meetings around the country, and the president is scheduled to hold a series of fundraisers in New York and California over the next few weeks,” reports Politico.com. “The campaign is expected to raise $750 million to $1 billion.”

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0403/Obama-a...

[ClarkUSA]

38. It's MSM media whore driven expectation. Politico is a right wing rag.

[in_cog_ni_to]

46. Nothing you give the appeaser will ever suffice. She knows it's true. n/t

[fishwax]

14. I think not having this nonsense at the height of the campaign is a benefit beyond simple politics

I don't think having this BS again in six months, and then again six months after that would serve the country.

[JVS]

32. Given the way that Obama negotiates, I'm certain that the more often this issue comes up the worse.

[fishwax]

35. lol

Certainly that's part of it. It's just clear that no good can come from having this conversation again a few months down the road.

[jeff47]

49. No, this will be all over the campaign

Because the first batch of cuts start right now. Which hurts the economy. "The economy sucks" is the only viable way for the Republicans to win. An so they manage to win a deal that makes the economy suck, and got Obama to call it a good thing.

It's astounding how little the Democratic party understand about elections.

[fishwax]

50. sure, the cuts/deal will -- I was just referring to negotiations about the debt ceiling, though

[jeff47]

51. People don't give a damn about the debt ceiling. They do give a damn about a crappy economy

We'd be much better off with no cuts and wrangling about the debt ceiling.

[fishwax]

54. yeah, I don't disagree with you there

[NorthCarolina]

15. Grandma has a chicken bone in her hand....

and Wall Street wants it.

[madrchsod]

23. ya don`t take minne`s chicken or her hat without asking !

[myrna minx]

29. At least we know that the "Democratic" President falls in line with radical right wing framing.

Since *he* as the President of the United States of America chose to accept the radical right wing framing of the economic debate and he chose to legitimize radical right wing arguments, this leaves him with no choice but to savage the social safety nets! He's not a king, yanno! Nader!

[ClarkUSA]

39. Wrong. The WH fact sheet about the proposed debt deal disproves your erroneous perceptions.

Read the facts and tell me how preserving Pell Grants and protecting SS & Medicare benefits are not liberal policy victories: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Of course, I doubt this debt deal will make it through the Teabagger House but maybe that's what President Obama wants.

[tkmorris]

42. It's a victory because EVERYTHING good in the Fed budget wasn't cut?

The Repubs won things. LOTS of things. A veritable cornucopia of budget cuts.

We lost things. A lot of things. You don't get to call it a "win" just because there are things we didn't lose.

What issue exactly did we win on? Not "not concede on", WIN. Did we get revenue increases? I'd ask if we won on anything else but I can't even recall anything we asked for that would be an improvement over what we already had in place. That's pretty telling don't you think? Our negotiating position from the beginning was pretty much "we know you are gonna beat us up, just don't leave too many marks, OK?".

[myrna minx]

52. I am not wrong about the simple fact that President Obama - the President of the United States

of America - decided to abide by and cater to the radical right wing framing of this political and manufactured "crisis". We, the American People are thus rendered lesser for his subscription to "trickle down" economics and by the adherence to tea-bagging economics. Had I known this way back in 2008...

On edit -just because on paper he might float PELL grants for a few kids, doesn't absolve his total assumption of the radical right wing framing for the USA's economic worldview. There's no denying that he's accepting the radical right wing's economic argument and "compromised" from there...a losing strategy from the get go...

[Horse with no Name]

40. Someone shat all over your thread

But I k&R'd it anyway!

[slipslidingaway]

41. knr nt

[jeff47]

48. You need to check your calendar.

The first round of cuts is immediate.

Cuts are exactly the wrong thing for the economy. Which means economy continues to suck, at best. If we get really lucky, we get a double-dip and Gov. Goodhair wins in 2012.

[MilesColtrane]

53. So you're agreeing he played Boehner, Cantor, and the GOP like a...

11 dimensional, political, grandmaster?