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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 02:47 PM
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Grijalva Statement on Emerging Debt Deal
Edited on Sun Jul-31-11 02:50 PM by cal04
Progressive Co-Chair Rep. Ral M. Grijalva Statement on Emerging Debt Deal
http://grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=13&parent...

This deal trades peoples livelihoods for the votes of a few unappeasable right-wing radicals, and I will not support it. Progressives have been organizing for months to oppose any scheme that cuts Medicare, Medicaid or Social Security, and it now seems clear that even these bedrock pillars of the American success story are on the chopping block. Even if this deal were not as bad as it is, this would be enough for me to fight against its passage.

This deal does not even attempt to strike a balance between more cuts for the working people of America and a fairer contribution from millionaires and corporations. The very wealthy will continue to receive taxpayer handouts, and corporations will keep their expensive federal giveaways. Meanwhile, millions of families unfairly lose more in this deal than they have already lost. I will not be a part of it.

Republicans have succeeded in imposing their vision of a country without real economic hope. Their message has no public appeal, and Democrats have had every opportunity to stand firm in the face of their irrational demands. Progressives have been rallying support for the successful government programs that have meant health and economic security to generations of our people. Today we, and everyone we have worked to speak for and fight for, were thrown under the bus. We have made our bottom line clear for months: a final deal must strike a balance between cuts and revenue, and must not put all the burden on the working people of this country. This deal fails those tests and many more.

The Democratic Party, no less than the Republican Party, is at a very serious crossroads at this moment. For decades Democrats have stood for a capable, meaningful government a government that works for the people, not just the powerful, and that represents everyone fairly and equally. This deal weakens the Democratic Party as badly as it weakens the country. We have given much and received nothing in return. The lesson today is that Republicans can hold their breath long enough to get what they want. While I believe the country will not reward them for this in the long run, the damage has already been done.

A clean debt ceiling vote was the obvious way out of this, and many House Democrats have been saying so. Had that vote failed, the president should have exercised his Fourteenth Amendment responsibilities and ended this manufactured crisis.

This deal is a cure as bad as the disease. I reject it, and the American people reject it. The only thing left to do now is repair the damage as soon as possible.


In the House, a likely struggle for 216 votes
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/174583-in-t...
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Broward Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 05:19 PM
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1. Hillary Clinton Should Resign...
...from this joke of an administration. In retrospect, Obama had no right to run as a Democrat. He does not stand for and support the core principles of the Democratic Party. Running as a Democrat was just an convenient way for him to get elected. Now, I happen to think that Hillary is a centrist so I'm not holding my breath here. However, if she's not and she truly cares about progressive ideals then she should resign. It's one of the few things that I can think of that could shake things up.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 06:25 PM
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 05:24 PM
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2. K&R
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tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 06:00 PM
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3. The end of the Democratic Party as we know it.
Edited on Sun Jul-31-11 06:01 PM by tcaudilllg
Hit the ground running... they will get away with it unless we scramble to beat them next spring.

Although at this time... I'm open to an alternative party. A real mainstream party this time, that protects entitlements but also has its head on its shoulders.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 06:20 PM
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8. A Progressive Workers Party
Get on it AFL-CIO. At least get on the ballots in all 50 states. Then run a candidate if you need to and endorse a good Dem where available.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 06:04 PM
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4. If that is true, I have asked every Dem in the House to JUST VOTE NO!!!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 06:10 PM
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5. Grajalva says it's bad, it's bad.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 06:13 PM
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6. K&R
Nice to know somebody in elected office has a level head about this.
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rury Donating Member (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 06:15 PM
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7. Good for him....
Edited on Sun Jul-31-11 06:17 PM by rury
Vote against it and let this plutocratic house of cards fall into a million pieces.
Let all of those old farts who voted Rethug last November do without their Social Security checks.
Then maybe they will stop voting against their own interests.
Or President Obama will be forced to invoke the 14th Amendment.
Or something...
I'm just sick of people blaming Obama for not being able to "negotiate" with Rethug Teabaggers who are so rigid and hateful that they are willing to see the country go off of a cliff just so they get their damn way. You CANNOT negotiate with their ilk!!
I'm sick of a little faction of bigots willing to destroy their country and make people suffer just because they want to see this black president fail.
I'm sick of the racists/idiots/mean asses who vote these people into power.
I'm sick of the "progressives" who enabled this lunatic fringe by not voting in the 2010 midterms because they thought Obama needed to "learn a lesson."
I don't have any money to speak of anyway and if my credit card rates go through the roof and I cannot handle the payments, I just won't pay.
If the United States of America cannot/will not pay its bills, then I can't/won't pay mine.
Just let it all blow to hell and start over!!!!!!!!
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 06:21 PM
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9. Wish we had more like him in this state...K&R.
For that matter in ALL the states!!!!
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 06:22 PM
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10. Good for you Rep. Grijalva.........
Good for you. Eventually the people who are on the side of the people MUST win.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 06:30 PM
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12. Looks like deal discussed here is not current/new 'Reid' deal.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/reid-agrees-...

I think its foolish to miss these important details, tho it demands close attention.
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 08:14 PM
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19. Spending cuts and loans.
Edited on Sun Jul-31-11 08:18 PM by quakerboy
Smoke and mirrors which all add up to cutting medicare and veterans benefits and social services to the poor. All of which appears premised on the idea that the crazy right would rather raise taxes than accept a cut to the military. On the idea that the TeaBaggers are rational, fair dealing folk wanting to come to a deal.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 06:34 PM
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13. Just another "Fringe Leftest" spewing Right Wing Talking Points.
He just wants Sarah Palin.
Some poll says that 142% of Liberal Democrats support "trimming" Social Security!

So There!
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Agony Donating Member (865 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 06:43 PM
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14. I'll take Grijalva's budget any day of the week. A Real Democrat!
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 07:03 PM
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15. So what is he going to do?
These are words, not actions. Let him convince the rest of the house to vote for the clean bill then. Is he working on that? Can't wait to see how he gets Republicans to vote for it.

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SoapBox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 07:55 PM
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16. K & R n/t
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 07:56 PM
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17. good for him!! I hope there are many, many
more like him.
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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 07:58 PM
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18. Mr. Obama. and this is from the bottom of my heart
please fuck yourself?
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Eyerish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 08:34 PM
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20. K&R
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 08:35 PM
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21. K&R
with more anger and sadness than I can bear.
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emald Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 08:41 PM
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22. G*damned it, why in the living world don't we have more like this?
Somehow they have mostly been bought off or something. Why only this guy stands up for us?
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Jim_Shorts Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 09:10 PM
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23. Didn't we just play this song
Bail out the banks or it will all come crashing down. lions and tigers and bears oh my

Enough pragmatic dems will vote for the bill to pass, because their uhh... pragmatic.

The rout on working people will continue...back to your regularly scheduled program.

(yes, Grijalva rocks)
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GarH Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 09:17 PM
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24. Thank God for Raul
My wife and I were thinking of moving back to Kansas, but after going back there to visit, we decided we just couldn't live with all those Fox News bobble heads. We've been talking about leaving Arizona because of all the Fox bobble heads here. Raul is one of the few politicians in Arizona that has his head on straight and really cares about us instead of the just the Corps and top 1%. It's a sad statement that there are just a handful like him in congress. We need more Rauls, Dennis Ks and Bernie Ss.
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colsohlibgal Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 09:47 PM
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25. Time For Real Democrats to Draw That Line
This is not what I, and millions of others, voted for when we voted for Obama. I'm disgusted he agreed to this but hardly surprised. Further proof that corporations run this country today.
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blackspade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 12:46 AM
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26. Grijalva speaks for me!
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:15 AM
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27. How can we get him to run in the Primary?
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:20 AM
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28. i recced this earlier; but then read FDL, which says he voted FOR it:
Edited on Mon Aug-01-11 01:22 AM by amborin
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eilen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 08:55 AM
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32. I read that too. Is there a politician in the house who
will be there when we actually need them?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 03:25 AM
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 07:12 AM
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30. Wish I lived in his district!
K&R
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 08:31 AM
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31. So this letter has 0 specifics and is perfectly designed to get the "progressives"
all riled up, "great political time for donations :) "


Where's the meat in this letter instead of just bombast?
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 10:13 AM
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33. K&R
:kick:
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RegieRocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 10:59 AM
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34. That is exactly what I said with less words.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 12:07 PM
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35. Who thought that when
we voted in November, 2008 that we'd be living 'The Audacity of Austerity'.....for the working people.

Tax the f*cking rich. End Corporate Welfare.
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veness Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 02:00 PM
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36. We thank you again and again dear Raul! n/t
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proverbialwisdom Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:54 PM
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37. RECOMMENDED: Olbermann Special Comment on Debt Deal: 'First You've Got to Get Mad'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Olbermann Special Comment on Debt Deal: 'First You've Got to Get Mad'
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