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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 01:51 PM
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What use super majorities when our party has failed to relate simple facts?
One of the most salient is the nature of the budget, and where most of our spending actually goes. From Baseline Scenario:

Mitch McConnell, Senate Republican Leader, quoted in Bloomberg: We have seen the consequences of giving Washington a blank check. My message to the president is simple: Its time for Washington to focus on fixing itself. Its time Washington take the hit, not the taxpayers.

That sounds good (if you dont like Washington, that is), but what does it mean? McConnell wants people to think that their tax dollars go to feed some animal named Washington, and therefore our budget problems can be solved by simply feeding Washington less without taxpayers taking the hit.

That might be true if Washington simply consumed money for its own sake, but the problem is that most of the federal budget isnt consumed by the federal government.

Of the $3.8 trillion in outlays in President Obamas proposed FY 2012 budget, more than half comes in one door and immediately goes out another door back to ordinary people, the vast majority of whom are or were previously taxpayers. $742 billion gets paid out in unrestricted cash by Social Security; another $762 billion goes to pay for peoples health care expenses. Other entitlement programs such as retirement benefits for federal employees (civilian and military), food stamps, and unemployment insurance add up to another $716 billion.* Theres no way to reduce this spending without directly hurting taxpayers. You can argue that some of these programs should be eliminated, but you cant argue that you can eliminate those programs without hurting ordinary people.


http://baselinescenario.com/2011/06/27/what-is-this-was...

Every compromise made by our party to GOP policy represents a betrayal of basic truths that are easy for everyone to understand. We appear anemic in justification for our ideology because each grand deal opens another vein. No one trusts our party to maintain the enormously popular social programs on which we founded our past ascendancy. What else don't people understand?

There is a lack of demand. Businesses are reposing on mountains of cash, but are not investing because the sales will not be there. The only entity that can make up the lack of demand currently is the government. Austerity will worsen this crisis and raise unemployment. Not only will Obama -still- be painted as a profligate socialist, but the increasing misery of the electorate will associate its suffering with Obama and our party's compromises.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 02:21 PM
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1. A chart for describing the current and future misery:
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 02:31 PM
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2. the Traitorous Tortise has been in Congress since 1985
all the debt since then is on his head
it is really nice to see he blames everyone except himself for the failure of this country
lying sack of slime
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 03:53 PM
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3. What's worse than the lying is that the lies are believed
There is no strong, consistent opposition to the ideological framework of GOP dishonesty.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 04:22 PM
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4. Last night, I was watching a panel of young people
Circa January 2009, As they described how great life would be under President Obama.

One of the things they mentioned was how incredibly smart his team of people had been to get a website up and running. This website existed to counter any lies that the opposition came up with while he was making his run for the Presidency.

So apparently he really wanted to decimate lies while a candidate. Now that he is the President, I guess he has chosen the path of pragmatism over the path of truth.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 07:08 PM
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5. It's difficult to understand what precise political benefit they expect to gain from this
In embracing the premises of the GOP, moderation in enacting their policy will not make sense to the average voter (or anyone else). We make sense of it by ascribing the behavior to political considerations, but what those are exactly is up in the air. Donor concerns we aren't privy to, perhaps?
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