Q) If The Debt Crises Was Created-Who Wrote The Script?

[fredamae]

Serious question. We have all heard it, over and over..."This is a manufactured crises".

If this "Debt Crises" was manufactured, then Who did it? Why didn't the dems see this coming and do something to obstruct that from happening besides capitulating only to advise the people After the ruts were so deep and the tires mired in mud?

If "they" are all so noble and pure, why was Sen Sanders the Only one calling fouls Early on?

I smell "political decomp" here.
Politicians can't "know best" and then act surprised and indignant when the shit hits the fan. Not even they can have it both ways, but they try--mixed messaging to keep the masses confused always works.

Whats going on in DC that causes the dems to Always "give the most or just give-in" to our detriment?
This is not an effort to demonize anyone or either party--just some questions I seem to be too naive' to answer.

[Autumn]

1. The major players in Washington wrote the script

all of them on both sides. They know how to play the public.

[fredamae]

4. Somehow, I believe the answer is more complex

than that. Have we, the people-teabaggers, dems, libs, repubs-All of us been "tag-teamed" by all of the politicians in order to move more money upwards?
If we don't clearly identify the problem, we will never find an effective solution, imho.
We have just "accepted" the talking point of "It's a manufactured crises" w/out asking these questions and I'm betting there are other questions I haven't even thought of.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

2. I don't know who wrote this script but it was based on a P.T. Barnum axiom.

"There's a sucker born every minute."

[Union Thug]

3. The TP's wealthy benefactors saw an opportunity and exploited it. n/t

[rurallib]

5. One might want to look at that secretive organization called ALEC

[Desertrose]

11. ALEC...hmmm.

Yikes.

ALEC

About...

The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) is a 501(c)3 non-profit organization.
EIN #52-0140979.

Our Mission
The mission of the American Legislative Exchange Council is...

...to advance the Jeffersonian principles of free markets, limited government, federalism, and individual liberty, through a nonpartisan public-private partnership of America's state legislators, members of the private sector, the federal government, and general public.

...to promote these principles by developing policies that ensure the powers of government are derived from, and assigned to, first the People, then the States, and finally, the Federal Government.

...to enlist state legislators from all parties and members of the private sector who share ALEC's mission.

...to conduct a policy making program that unites members of the public and private sectors in a dynamic partnership to support research, policy development, and dissemination activities.


...to prepare the next generation of political leadership through educational programs that promote the principles of Jeffersonian democracy, which are necessary for a free society.

Here's their board members, but check out their Private Enterprise board members....

National Chairman Mr. W. Preston Baldwin, Centerpoint360
First Vice Chairman Mrs. Sandra Oliver, Bayer Corp.
Second Vice Chairman Mr. John Del Giorno, GlaxoSmithKline
Treasurer Mr. David Powers, Reynolds American
Secretary Ms. Maggie Sans, Wal-Mart Stores

Private Enterprise Board Members
Ms. Sano Blocker, Energy Future Holdings
Mr. Don Bohn, Johnson & Johnson
Mr. Jeffrey Bond, PhRMA
Mr. William Carmichael, American Bail Coalition
Mr. Derek Crawford, Kraft Foods, Inc.
Mr. Michael Hubert, Pfizer Inc
Ms. Teresa Jennings, Reed Elsevier, Inc.
Mr. Kenneth Lane, DIAGEO
Mr. Bill Leahy, AT&T
Mr. Kelly Mader, Peabody Energy
Mr. Richard McArdle, UPS
Mr. Bernie McKay, Intuit, Inc.
Mr. Mike Morgan, Koch Companies Public Sector, LLC
Mr. Gene Rackley, Coca-Cola Refreshments
Mr. Daniel Smith, Altria Client Services
Mr. Randy Smith, ExxonMobil Corporation
Mr. Russell Smoldon, Salt River Project
Mr. Roland Spies, State Farm Insurance Co.

The more I read the less I like...too many rich running the show to their benefit only....what else is new?

[coalition_unwilling]

6. Repukes successfully conflated raising the debt ceiling

with the annual budget deficits WHEN THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES. True, the Dems pathetically failed to punch back on this by noting, for example, that the debt ceiling was raised 7 times while the Bush Junta held power and, IIRC, a couple times when the Dems had both the House and Senate after the 2006 mid-terms.

Combine Repuke perfidy with Dem spinelessness and you will have your answer.

[fredamae]

7. How then do we , push the Dems into being

"Dems"? The strategy of 2010 failed.

[spanone]

8. rove and norquist

[Zanzoobar]

9. Bankers conceived the script

Carter Glass and Robert L. Owen wrote it and guided it through congress.

Woodrow Wilson endorsed it.

[fredamae]

10. Ok, so I am not looking back far enough..

That begs the question of who nurtured this concept and why haven't the Dems or even "we the people" taken action over the decades to obstruct this?

Why aren't the Dems using House and Senate procedures, in the manner of the repubs to fight back?
If these tactics work so well against the Dems (us), why aren't they pro-actively using similar procedures to strike back on Our behalf?
Something is "off" in this game. Neither side gets to "have it" both ways.

[Desertrose]

13. You have to get the"sides" straight.

It hasn't been Dems vs Repubs for quite awhile...that's the surface "game".

The real game is the super rich looking out for their own interests & power. "We the people" are nothing to them. It's all about moving the wealth UP and holding on to it. Its that simple really, the rest is all just smoke & mirrors....distractions.

[Zanzoobar]

27. For your edification...

Please, at least wiki all three. Glass is especially interesting.

[lonestarnot]

12. I have sneaking suspicions re IMF and World Bank.

Nothing more, just suspicion. Why else would trillions be cut in a "great recession" with 9.2% unemployment (truth 25% or more)?

[rms013]

14. More likely

The Tri-lateral commission, the Bilderburg group,the American Enterprise Institue, The Hoover Institute, The Bohemian Club, ALEC etcet.
Shock and Awe... The Chicago School of Economics.

[Motown_Johnny]

15. Reagan and his minions, this has been in the works for over 30 years

but they finally destroyed the economy and ran up a huge debt at the same time so now is the time to move onto phase 2.

[dgibby]

16. Time to think outside the box.

I believe there are moneyed international interests driving this mess as well as the economic chaos in Europe.

[fredamae]

17. Yes, good point-this is is indeed Global and I am

very much trying to see beyond the BS outside of the box. I am relatively "new" to politics, I have much to learn. This whole debt debacle has raised questions for me, that perhaps no one can answer, maybe it's just something I have overlooked or should already "know" or maybe I just don't know, yet, where to find the answer.

I appreaciate everyones thoughtful answers, however.

[WinkyDink]

18. Yes, but when certain people said this 15 years or more ago, they were called nuts.

[ThoughtCriminal]

19. If the script was for a movie...

Ed Wood.

[Morizovich]

20. Jesus

And don't you Cross Him! :rofl: (Hey, we'll be fucked in 48 hours: I'm laughing at EVERYTHING!)

[blkmusclmachine]

21. The "Family." They've got a Complex behind the White House, Congresspeople live there,

and they organize the yearly "Prayer Breakfasts."

[fivepennies]

22. This guy

The Creature from Jekyll Island. Of course they plagiarized a much older script.
By G. Edward Griffin

This book is about the secret world of the international banking money
cartel, the cause of all wars, inflations, depressions, land grabs, etc.
After reading this book you will never trust a politician or a banker.
Must read, great companion to The Coming Battle.

http://www.newswithviewsstore.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=NWVS&Product_Code=B6&Category_Code=BOOKS

If A Nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be"
Thomas Jefferson.

[tcaudilllg]

23. Might ought to line up with the Coffee Party?

Or can they be trusted? Maybe leaderless resistance is the best route.

[CanonRay]

24. The Koch brothers, Goldman Sachs, etc. etc.

ad nauseum

[suffragette]

25. Very good questions

K&R

[Whisp]

26. *strikes out another overused and destroyed word - capitulating.

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