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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 11:20 PM
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The Great American Social Security/Medicare Chainsaw Massacre
I. The Koch Brothers Decide to Emulate Lenin.

In 2004, W. ran on a campaign of No gay marriage in order to mobilize the base. In 2005, flush with the mandate provided by his stolen victory in Ohio, he attempted to privatize Social Security.

The Republican base was not amused by this game of Bait and Switch.

http://grandtheftelectionohio.com/050301.htm

Back in 2005, when Bush and the Cato Institute (i.e. the Koch Brothers) were trying to dismantle Social Security, the Washington Post wrote an article about the history of the privatization effort. No surprise that it was the Koch Brothers who first started marketing the notion.

In the fall of 1983, Cato made clear that it was preparing for a protracted fight. It published a paper by Heritage Foundation scholars Stuart M. Butler and Peter Germanis that called for "guerrilla warfare against both the current Social Security system and the coalition that supports it." They compared the drive to Nikolai Lenin's effort to undermine capitalism: "Lenin well knew to be a successful revolutionary one must also be patient and consistently plan for real reform."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42525-20...

Privatization as Soviet style communism. I guess the Koch Brothers would know. Their dad made his fortune drilling oil for Stalin.

II. House Republicans Take Aim at Their Own Feet and Take a Chainsaw to Medicare

Since 1980, the Kochs (Cato) and its pals have waged war against Social Security. No matter how many times they have failed, they never seem to get the message. Americans want their moms and dads to receive a guaranteed retirement and affordable health care. Social Security is as American as apple pie. Medicare is as deeply valued as right as the right to bear arms. In a recent poll,

Republicans might want to talk about revamping Medicare and Social Security, but most voters dont want to hear it.

More than three-in-four Americans reject the idea of cutting Social Security benefits, according to the latest Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll. The numbers are similar for cutting Medicare or K-12 education.


http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/03/02/wsjnbc-poll-ha... /

Why are the Republicans still at it? Because Citizens United vs. the FEC made them the lackeys of the Koch Brothers. They can not bite the hand that is feeding them all those millions. And so, they do things like this

John Boehner wants cuts to Social Security and Medicare in next year's fiscal budget, even if voters may not like it, he tells the Wall Street Journal in an interview. Most Americans don't have a clue


http://www.newser.com/story/113367/house-speaker-john-b...

Au contraire, John. Millions of Americans have more than a clue. They have a sneaking suspicion that you are seriously out of touch with mainstream voters.

The Ryan House Budget called for privatizing Medicare, which would mean increased out of pocket expenses for seniors.

According to the CBO, a typical 65-year-old with a private health-insurance plan covering standard Medicare benefits could be liable for 61% of his or her total health care costs in 2022 under Ryans plan. By 2030, the figure could be 68%.


http://swampland.time.com/2011/04/06/the-nitty-gritty-d... s-medicare-plan/

Ouch! And all but four House Republicans voted to make grandma pay over half of her medical bills out of her own pocket. Do you know how much dialysis costs? I guess the House Republicans planned to use some of the money saved to buy ice flows on which the nations sick and dying elderly could be placed so that they would not spoil their picture perfect prosperous America.

Americans made it clear that they were not about to let dad waste away from lack of a coronary artery stent, and so the Ryan plan was hastily withdrawn. No doubt by next year, Republicans will pretend it was all a dream. But every single House Republican (except four) voted for it. That means in 235 House races, the Democrats will be able to say (truthfully) My opponent wants your mom to pay over half of her medical expenses out of her own pocket.

What were the GOP thinking? Or maybe I should ask, what were they smoking? Dixie Cups?


the Republicans won't let the 70-plus percent opposition to cuts in Medicare and Social Security dissuade them. They've come up with a new plan that sugarcoats their attempts to eviscerate Social Security and Medicare. It's called a "mandatory global spending cap" and it's nothing more than the House Republican budget in disguise.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-creamer/gop-plans-...

III. Obama , the Slasher

As the GOP began to feel the fire licking at their feet, they hastily sought to portray Social Security and Medicare cuts as Obamas idea.. On July 6, the Washington Post declared as fact

In debt talks, Obama offers Social Security cuts


in a big, bold headline which was followed by a piece that claimed that (unnamed sources) swore that Obama was going to offer to slash the programs. Honestly. Their crystal balls told them so. Or (more likely) a wily Republican operative. Note that the article says sources from both parties. How did the GOP know what the president was planning? Maybe the GOP source didnt know shit and was just trying to make up a headline.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/in-debt-...

Like the infamous Pelosi Knew headline of years past, this one went viral. All of sudden the Ryan Plan was forgotten. Within three days, LaRouche was writing

Obama Demands that Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid Be Slashed


http://www.larouchepac.com/node/18711

And the even more inflammatory (and misspelled)

Obama's Call To Destroy Social Security, Medicare, Medicade


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?24688-Ob...

On July 25, the slobbering, someone-elses-face wearing, chainsaw wielding federal program slashing maniac who currently resides on the White House addressed the country:

Most Americans, regardless of political party, dont understand how we can ask a senior citizen to pay more for her Medicare before we ask a corporate jet owner or the oil companies to give up tax breaks that other companies dont get. How can we ask a student to pay more for college before we ask hedge fund managers to stop paying taxes at a lower rate than their secretaries? How can we slash funding for education and clean energy before we ask people like me to give up tax breaks we dont need and didnt ask for?


http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/07/25/a...

Did I miss something? Let me read that speech again. Ah yes, here is violence! Here is the rage. Here is the savage and wanton destruction of life as we know it for Americas seniors:

Lets cut domestic spending to the lowest level its been since Dwight Eisenhower was President. Lets cut defense spending at the Pentagon by hundreds of billions of dollars. Lets cut out waste and fraud in health care programs like Medicare and at the same time, lets make modest adjustments so that Medicare is still there for future generations. Finally, lets ask the wealthiest Americans and biggest corporations to give up some of their breaks in the tax code and special deductions.


The internet bloggers are right. Ryan and all (but four) of the House Republicans might have attempted to make seniors pay for over half of their medical care out of their own pockets, but that evil, heartless bastard Obama wants to make modest adjustments.

Oh, the shame!

IV. Take a Chainsaw to the Budget.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/stossel/blog/2011/07/...

No, Obama did not say it---even though the corporate media and the GOP desperately want us to believe it. John Stossel at Fox said it---and he attributes his numbers to the Cato Institute (i.e the Kochs) meaning that the Koch Brothers are the chainsaw wielding maniacs. I just want to make that clear one more time before I close with a...

V. Take Home Message

The GOP picked the wrong fight. They attempted to gut Medicare and Medicaid. Now, their prospects in 2012 look dismal. The only way they will survive and maybe take more Congressional seats if they can get the mainstream media to portray the Great American Social Security/Medicare Chainsaw Massacre as Obamas doing----the same way the GOP once portrayed their Savings and Loans scandal as a crime single handedly perpetrated by the Clintons.

I may not be an elephant (or belong to a party that has one as a mascot) but I don't forget. The Great American Social Security/Medicare Massacre was planned by the Kochs and it belongs to the GOP and they can damn well wear it like an albatross around their necks in the 2012 election.

As for Obama, his cool, intellectual image is partly to blame for our readiness to believe the media distortion. Might I suggest a few impassioned moments in front of the news cameras, defending Social Security and Medicare and vowing to resist anyone who tries to dismantle them? Which is worse? Being called a "dick" by an idiot pundit or losing in 2012?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 11:38 PM
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1. K&R
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texanwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 11:42 PM
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2. I am glad my parents have passed away.
The stress would make them ill.

The Democratic party will get blamed for this, just wait.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 01:43 AM
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4. I am going to make it my mission in life to mercilessly mock every media whore who tries.
Edited on Sun Jul-31-11 01:45 AM by McCamy Taylor
Members of the press are a lot like actors, writers and artists. They are sensitive and self absorbed. They do not take well to mockery. And none of them wants to be the next John Solomon.
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texanwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 01:52 AM
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5. My father was very active in the Democratic Party, for most of his life.
He was a precinct judge for over 50 years, amoung other things.

He was active in his union, a good man.

This would have killed him to see this happening.

When he died so many people he knew came to his wake and funeral.

I am so very glad he didn't see this.

Miss you Dad.
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 08:20 AM
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6. John Soloman? Who?
Most of em don't give a shit as long as the checks cash. But good luck.
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spedtr90 Donating Member (459 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 08:25 AM
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7. thanks for saying it
I've been thinking the same thing and feeling so guilty, so bad, about it.
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texanwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 11:57 AM
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10. Nothing to fell quilty about.
My father would be so upset about what happened to his Democratic Party.

Also worried about his SS.

It is better he doesn't know.

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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 11:43 PM
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3. SS is doing fine, why touch it? But I would welcome medicare
for all, if it were possible to now massacre the for-profit health care special-interest parasites. That alone might retain the US's triple A rating.
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 08:29 AM
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8. Let's see *sticks out tongue and writes figures in the air*...
That about 300 million citizens x about half of our per capita health care costs per year or $3000 ( yes, it's more than that but I'm trying to be generous in my numbers for the purists and other assorted idiots). I could be crazy, but that is about 900 billion (please check my math - I'm not my best early in the am).

Per year. And everyone would be covered. And no one would lose their home to medical bills. And people would feel free to leave jobs to find better bosses ...

It's a huge number. And yes, if any insurance parasites die crying in a gutter due to this I will dance a jig while peeing on their grave and good riddenence to bad rubbish.
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 08:34 AM
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9. McCamy, I admire your posts.
Edited on Sun Jul-31-11 08:36 AM by MedicalAdmin
But I've come to believe that nothing will stop this slide. We are Britain after ww2 owing money in every direction and having very few intact manufactoring industries left.

We'll cling to our illusions and our prejudices and we'll blithely continue to be stooges for the rich for at least another generation. The tide has turned. The ships have left. Wave goodbye to your childrens future.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 03:37 PM
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11. I disagree. It just has not gotten bad enough yet for Americans to show their stubborn streak.
Edited on Sun Jul-31-11 03:37 PM by McCamy Taylor
Washington is now desperate for a deal, because if a single round of checks do not get mailed, there will be millions marching on Washington. We are sheep when it comes to invading other countries and we are wolves when it comes to our own welfare.
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 03:58 PM
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13. Time will tell. I hope I'm wrong.
But the structural weaknesses in the voting and election systems have resulted in a democratic process that is no longer democratic but rather pluocratic. Add to that the growth of private mercenary companies, pentagon plans to use troops on us soil against us citizens and the stationing of remote piloted drones in us territory means that they are prepared for civil disobedience.

But is more likely that they will just ignore it completely. No media. No cooler talk. No problems. ... Look - American idol is on!
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 06:13 PM
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14. The darker side of my brain thinks the thoughts you do.
How could our populace ever go all out in the streets, with all the "non-lethal" equipment that our police and military now possess?

Devices that can thermally heat your skin; devices that emit sounds that make your ears bleed.

And should people unite behind some real honest to goodness, Eugene-Debs type, the hackable voting machines will give the Handlers whichever one of their PR people that they want to have in the top spot.

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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 06:46 PM
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15. Until recently, only white men could vote. There is a long hx of the gov't turning police and troops
on protesters. And yet, that has not stopped Americans from protesting and it has not stopped laws from changing.

The basic thing which sets places like the US and Brazil apart is we are populated by the descendants of immigrants. Immigrants are often people who would not put up with shit in their country of origin. As long as we keep taking in immigrants, we will never become obedient goose stepping little fascists. That is why folks like Pat Buchanan are so determined to close the borders. And yet, the Koch Bros and Cato are just as determined to keep them open in order to get labor for their Dixie Cup type companies.

Remember, corporate America is also at war with itself. What is good for one sector of the economy is poison to another. They can be divided and conquered just as easily as the working class.
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 12:23 PM
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18. There is a big difference between troops on the ground @ Kent state...
...or Bull Connors dogs and firehoses and a remotely piloted predator done with hellfire. For one that pilot isn't there and can't see the damage in person and for 2 would likely NOT be told where the drone was that he/she is flying. They could think they were defending an embassy from enemy troops.

Combine that with a complacent media and it will be swept up and blamed on terrorists just in time for the fascist takeover.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 03:38 PM
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12. Very well-written and cited, thanks. k&r
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 09:11 PM
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16. Obama now has that Albatross around his neck -- rightly so --
and I certainly won't be giving him another crack at SS or Medicare --

The mask is off -- it's over --
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lunasun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 08:54 AM
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17. planned by the Kochs and it belongs to the GOP
if it happens under Obama - to the average voter it happened during his presidency & enough said
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