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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 11:48 PM
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One Walmart refused Loughner ammo because of behavior
-- The 22-year-old suspect in the shooting tried to buy ammunition at a Walmart store and was turned down because of his behavior, according to a law enforcement source in Arizona. That same source said the suspect then successfully bought ammunition at another Walmart.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/09/arizona.shooting.de...
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 11:56 PM
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1. This should be interesting.
:popcorn:

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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:53 AM
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27. yup
:popcorn:
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 12:26 AM
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2. They sell clips for automatic glocks at Walmart?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 12:37 AM
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3. I think you can buy bullets and don't think this gun needed anything special
"Glock" is a brand of gun, like "Ford" is a brand of car. Seems ammo is more generic with different sizes, like there is different strengths of gasoline for your car. Poorly written, but I hope you get the gist.
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rbrnmw Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 12:39 AM
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4. I am Former WM Loss Prevention
LP should have been notified and they should have put his image out to all area stores selling ammo we do it everyday with shoplifters
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 12:50 AM
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5. No, Wal-Mart doesn't sell handguns or accessories for them
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 12:51 AM by krispos42
Just rifles and shotguns. But they do sell ammunition for handguns as well as rifles and shotguns.

His Glock shot this kind of ammunition:







He put them in this ammunition-holding device, called a "magazine" (or, incorrectly a "clip").





Pulling the trigger causes the cartridge to discharge. The bullet flies out the barrel and the recoil of the shooting causes the now-empty brass casing to be ejected and cast aside and the mechanical firing mechanism to reset.




Hope this helps...
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 01:29 AM
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6. I thought
he had a .40
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:01 AM
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15. If he had a Glock 19, he had a 9mm
I believe they make a really big magazine for Glock's 40-caliber pistols too, but they "only" hold like 28 rounds or something.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 01:40 AM
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7. Thanks! I know many people have no idea how guns actually work,
and this is actually very helpful.

mark
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 01:51 AM
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9. A question
I don't know squat about guns. I always thought "clip" and "magazine" were interchangeable terms (because I am ignorant about guns), what is the difference between the two?
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Cognitive_Resonance Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 02:01 AM
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10. Magazine is a cartridge housing with spring feed, a clip is a strip of fastened cartridges. nt
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 02:02 AM
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11. I understand - Thanks - nt
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 05:05 AM
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13. clip is also used by people
who have guns but little knowledge of them, such as more than one rap song i have heard talking about unloading a clip when they mean magazine.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:06 AM
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17. When bolt-action rifles were standard military issue...
...they had built-in magazines that typically held 5 rounds. The military would take a thin piece of steel called a "stripper clip" and fit 5 rounds in them. When a soldier needed to reload an empty magazine, he would open the bolt, put the full clip in the rifle and push all 5 rounds into the magazine with one motion. Then the stripper clip was discarded and the bolt closed.

Often the terms are used interchangeably.

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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:56 AM
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30. Also the US rifle M1-Garand from WWII the soldier would
insert a clip of ammo into the M1 & after last shot the empty would be ejected with that famous ping. Watch Band of Brothers and you will notice that.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:11 AM
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33. Very true. That was not a stripper clip though.
Just so other DUers know.

Not a bad idea... the critical stuff such as the follower, spring, and magazine lips, all stay nice and safe in the gun. Now if the Garand had had a 16-round magazine, that would have been truly awesome!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 03:32 AM
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:04 AM
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16. Kudos for the patient explanation. n/t
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:09 AM
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19. The patient, informative post is appreciated. Thank you; that is helpful. nt
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:27 AM
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21. Hollywood generally does a bad job with guns, so people need knowledge...
...to make decisions. Not only that, but they need to unlearn stuff that looks cool in a cinema but doesn't meet the reality test. So, information, even if some call it "gun porn".

The shooter's gun would have looked very much like this:




You can see why people don't usually use or carry such large magazines... it's damn awkward to carry on your belt.



If those that are gun-ignorant want to weigh in on the issue of gun control in light of the assassination attempt, it is best for all if the basics are understood so their opinions can have more weight behind them.
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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:23 AM
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20. Thanks for the very informative post and terminology.
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 09:25 AM by BlueMTexpat
I will never own a gun myself, believing quite rightly that it is more likely to be used against me than to "protect" me. I have no problem with those who are responsible and informed gun owners. I know and am related to quite a few who are.
The problem I have is with those who are not, together with the unwarranted proliferation and accessibility that make it too easy for such people to get them.
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:40 AM
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35. +1 Very good post n/t
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 01:45 AM
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8. No, since there are no automatic Glock 19s in civilian hands
If they were even made.

Also the correct term is magazines, not clips.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:58 AM
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31. Glock does make a full auto 9mm pistol
But you don't see them sold over the counter in gun stores. Since Glock is an Austrian company they were made for European police & military.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 05:08 AM
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14. i have never seen a fully automatic 9
semi automatic yes, fully no. semi automatic means you must pull the trigger one time per bullet fired, fully automatic means you hold the trigger down and multiple bullets fire.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:06 AM
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18. So much wrong with that.
1) The Glock 17 he used isn't automatic
2) Glock isn't special it is a brand name
3) Magazines are specific to the weapon. They are usually bought with the weapon
4) Ammo is standardized. There is no such thing as "Glock ammo". It is just 9mm ammo. It will work in all 9mm pistols.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:53 AM
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26. None that I know of
I don't know if Sportsman's Warehouse sell the extended ones. Most buy those from internet.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:29 AM
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22. Gun shows are a gold mine for criminals tho
No background checks. But I bet the gun fanciers here would support closing that loophole, no?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:34 AM
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:47 AM
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24. With gun dealers yes. Not with others
So I guess you would favor closing that loophole?
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:55 AM
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29. There is no loophole and there is no issue. n/t
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 12:26 PM
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36. So Rep. McCarthy, Sen Lautenburg et al are wrong?
They are sponsoring legislation to close loopholes at gun shows.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 12:29 PM
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37. Of course they are. There is a reason why their own party doesn't support them
McCarthy and Lautenberg bring the same tired bills out every single year and they die in comittee because their own party doesn't support them. They are just trying to wipe some blood on the bill this time (like they did for VT Tech shooting) and hope it sticks.

There is no gunshow loophole.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 12:31 PM
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38. So you're saying that they are lying
If people can buy guns 'privately' without a background check---that's a loophole.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 12:36 PM
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39. At best misleading the public to push an agenda.
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 12:44 PM by Statistical
All dealer transactions are regulated. The bil wouldn't regulate all person to person transactions it would just regulate them at gunshows. They intentionally use misleading languages to make gunshows seem like 3rd world arms markets and that it is a high level of criminal activity.

Nothing could be more from the truth. The DOJ own study shows it is completly false. 0.7% of criminals obtained firearms at gunshow (some legally). 99.3% of firearms used in criminal activity are obtained OUTSIDE gunshows. The largest source is the 200 million or so unregistered illegal street guns available in every city in America. Cash and carry.

The idea that the "gunshow loophole" bill would do anything is a joke. The same pathetic BS was used for the assault weapons ban despite those weapons being used in less than 1% of crime. Imagine that it did nothing to reduce crime. Why? Oh yeah because the weapons banned were used in <1% of crime. Once again this is from FBI, not exactly a gun loving organization.

So now we are going to pass a bill to target a venue in which criminal obtain less than 1% of weapons used in crime? Based on the failed AWB what would history tell you banning a venue in which <1% of guns used in crimes are obtained will accomplish?
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RSillsbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:00 AM
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32. There is no "loophole"
A gun owner who is not an FFL is allowed to sell a firearm privately w/out a background check (in most states) regardless of the venue of the sale. A FFL is required to fill out the proper paperwork and conduct a NICS background check regardless of the venue of the sale.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:16 AM
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:50 AM
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25. "Gun show loophole" is a rhetorical tool, like "death tax" and "partial birth abortion"
If you buy a gun from a dealer, regardless of the geographical location of that dealer, a background check is performed and all federal, state, and local laws are in followed.

If you buy a gun from a private seller (like me selling you my shotgun) there is no federal check performed because I'm not a licensed dealer. Regardless of geographical location.

A couple of states mandate that private sales also go through a state background, though.



Regardless, the shooter passed the federal background when he bought the gun.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:54 AM
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28. Actually almost no (<1%) of criminals acquire weapons from gun shows.
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 10:01 AM by Statistical
Of course this is from the "gun loving" Department of Justice.
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/fuo.pdf


0.6% of felons obtained firearm from gunshops.

Source of firearm
39.6% - street/illegal guns (an estimated 200 million illegal firearms exist in the US)
39.2% - family or friend
13.2% - Retail other than gunshow
0.7% - Gunshow

Remember this also includes first time felons so they would be able to legally obtain a firearm from any source.
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