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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 02:27 PM
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Shut Down the Airports, Mr. President!
Since Congress has not seen fit to authorize the budget of the FAA, which administers all aviation operations in the US, safety concerns warrant an immediate shutdown of all airports, effective immediately. Since the FAA falls under the DOT, it is an Executive Branch agency, under the President of the United States. If Congress won't fund this vital agency, the safety of our airports cannot be assured, since inspectors and other FAA personnel are furloughed. It is not enough that the Air Traffic Controllers are still on the job. Other FAA personnel play vital roles in the safety of air transportation.

Send a message to Congress that their actions and inactions have consequences, President Obama. Let them know that they must act responsibly to assure the safety and peace of mind the FAA provides to our air transportation system.
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RT Atlanta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 02:31 PM
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1. bump
n/t
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 02:33 PM
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2. Amtrak will gain much needed revenue in the process.


Do it.

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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 02:37 PM
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3. Indeed.
But that's not the reason to shut them down. The reason is that Congress decided not to fund the FAA. That destroys their oversight of air transport in this country. It's a disaster waiting to happen, and it's Congress's fault entirely. They're behaving irresponsibly in this and in many other things. Time to let them know that their actions have consequences.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 02:42 PM
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4. Do that while making sure they're not getting their own paychecks
nor is their health insurance being paid, nor any perks privately contracted outside the Congressional building.

The executive spends the money that Congress allocates. I'm sure there are better places to spend it than on men who are already fat with bribes from corporate interests.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 02:47 PM
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5. I'm not sure the Executive Branch can do anything about
Congressional operating budget expenditures. It is only in charge of Executive Branch agencies. But, there are tons and tons of those, and the President can take any of them down to a skeleton operation at any time. The President has great power within the Executive Branch, and it reaches into every state and every part of this country. In a fiscal crisis, it's well within his power to essentially shut down any of the Executive Branch functions as an austerity measure. The consequences could be enormous, and would affect every state. In fact, since those agencies and organization are in the control of the Executive, they could be scaled down on a state-by-state basis, even. The possibilities are endless.

See the link for lists of all Executive Branch organizations, all of which are under the direct control of the President. See if you don't see some possibilities there:

http://www.usa.gov/Agencies/Federal/Executive.shtml
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 02:49 PM
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6. That may be true but hasn't this become a national security issue?
If the airports are not safe, then it would seem that they could be shut down by the Commander in Chief.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 02:54 PM
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9. He can do it instantly. He just issues an Executive Order
Edited on Tue Jul-26-11 02:56 PM by MineralMan
shutting the system down for safety reasons. After all, the Executive Branch is responsible for assuring the safety of air travel through the FAA. The post you were replying to was saying that the President can't do anything about Congress paying its staff. That's not in his portfolio. He can shut down the airports because the FAA isn't funded. The FAA is an Executive Branch function.

Very dramatic. Very effective message.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 02:50 PM
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7. Start by just shutting down low priority traffic, like private planes.
Edited on Tue Jul-26-11 02:51 PM by Ian David
Including those flying under visual sight rules.

Except, of course, for medical flights.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 02:52 PM
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8. Nope. Shut it all down. Go for maximum impact.
Make a speech and tell the American people that Congress is threatening their safety. Tell them to contact their representatives to get the FAA funded. Tie it to the debt ceiling crisis. Hold Congress's feet to the fire.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 03:01 PM
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10. What about the Federal Interstate? n/t
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 03:04 PM
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11. Well, a number of bridges are rated poorly and repairs
Edited on Tue Jul-26-11 03:09 PM by MineralMan
are far off and unfunded. I can see some actions being possible there, too. For safety, you know...we don't want another I-35W bridge collapse - that's for sure. I'd take a very close look at the situation in some specific states, I think. Of course, if it turns out that there's not enough money to go around if the debt ceiling isn't raised, President Obama might have to shut down much of the DOT. Without their oversight, it wouldn't be possible to assure people that the Interstates were safe, since things like bridge inspections couldn't happen. Almost anything could happen in that situation.

Without an increase in the debt ceiling, many executive branch agencies might have to be cut drastically. No money, you see. Like the NRC, a branch of the DOE. Could be they'd have to shut down a lot of nuclear power plants if the oversight agency couldn't do its job. Safety again. And again, you'd have to look at each individual plant, you know, so plants in some states might have to be shut down before plants in other states.

The consequences could be far reaching, indeed.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 03:12 PM
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12. Let's shut-down the SEC and make it impossible for anyone to buy or sell securities. n/t
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 03:17 PM
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16. Well, who knows what might happen if there's no money?
It's very complex.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 04:08 PM
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29. Now that's a creative approach I'd love to see gain traction
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 04:09 PM
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30. Plus, my wife would be home for sex all day. n/t
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 03:14 PM
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13. No one has suggested air flights are not safe. No one.
Not the FAA, no one. The lack of a funding bill has shut down mainly airport construction projects.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 03:16 PM
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14. You apparently are missing my point here. It's not the FAA
that's the problem, you see. It's Congress that needs a wake-up call.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 03:18 PM
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17. Shut down the Congressional gymnasium and cafeteria. n/t
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 03:29 PM
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21. Again, they're not in the Executive Branch, so the President
has no control over them. Congress is its own branch of government, and does have some money to spend on its own. There's really no way to take it away from them, so they can spend it as they please. That's not to say I wouldn't like to see them all sleeping in their offices and typing their own letters, but the President can't do anything about that, I'm afraid.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 04:02 PM
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28. And, stop their pay while we're at it.
:hi:
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 03:20 PM
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18. I agree they need a wake up call on this and most things.
The House has passed a FAA funding bill but I read somewhere there are "controversial" items in it. I don't know what those are. The Senate has not acted on it.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 03:28 PM
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19. So your point is to have the president shut down air traffic, completely screw up the economy
and then lie to the American people about why he's doing it to by making up a "safety" issue that his own administration and others have denied exists?

Great plan there. Not.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 03:32 PM
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22. Again, you're missing the point. The President COULD do it,
if he wanted to. That is the point. He will not, of course. This thread is about the actual power the President has. There are many things he CAN do. There are many he cannot do. Focusing on the things he can do is more effective than damning him for not doing things he has no power to do.

This thread is about understanding government and how it actually functions. I don't always spell everything out, you see, but I'm always happy to explain if someone doesn't get it.
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stklurker Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 03:42 PM
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24. president could...
The problem is because its a 'could'.. he would get blamed for more or less shutting down the country and the economy.. and he would be toast.. doing it and pointing at Congress sounds great, but thats not what people would see...
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 03:44 PM
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25. Yes, yes...
Never mind.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 03:52 PM
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26. the point of your OP seemed to be that the president not only could, but SHOULD do it.
If that's not what you meant, then sorry. If it is, then I stand by my previous post.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 03:16 PM
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15. Neat idea
The other way to do it is to pay the FAA with the TSA's money.

Let everyone fly without being groped.

-Hoot
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 03:28 PM
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20. Right, we can choose not to fly.
But we are unable to choose not to have a plane fall on our houses. Commercial aviation depends upon strict, monitored, enforced safety practices. Without those, airlines should not be flying.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 03:33 PM
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23. Exactly. The President would be well within his powers to do
what I suggested. He's in charge of that stuff. He's not in charge of Congress, though. More's the pity.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 04:02 PM
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27. Hear hear!
:toast:
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 04:42 PM
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The best suggestion I have heard.
I hope someone can get it to the President?

It would hurt the economy but why have the Homeland Security if the FAA cannot communicate with them. This is putting our country at risk. It is in our national interest that the President do this.
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Proles Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 04:42 PM
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31. Unfortunately, President Obama can't
even call out the republicons in Congress for this joke of a debt cieling "debate."

I find it extremely doubtful that he'd shut down the airports and blame the repub's on it.

I do agree the repub's are risking safety by ignoring this FAA measure, but they would definitely paint Obama as the enemy in this one. I mean, they're already accusing Obama of creating the debt cieling crisis, even though that's a complete lie.

But if Obama did have the guts to accuse the repub's, I'd say go for it.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 04:55 PM
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32. Close the airports and lay off Thousands Standing Around (TSA)
Close down the TSA and their silly X-ray machines. Save Billions instantly.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 04:58 PM
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33. I would do it before Congress got out of town.
It would piss a lot of people off. They would be shooting at my ass. But I would do it.

Then, if they called a recess, I would call them back to Washington to take care of this "crisis".

What are we paying them for, anyway?
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