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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:31 PM
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Obama should not have asked for air time unless he had news
to break. Talk about a let down. The American people are already so apathetic and cynical. This will just add to it.
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:32 PM
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1. I think this is a good point. It was like two campaign commercials right after each other.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:33 PM
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2. Right.
It seemed to put the President and Boener on the same level.
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mfcorey1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:34 PM
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3. El toro poo poo. He laid out exactly what America needs to hear. Until the lion tells his story,
the tale of the hunt will continue to glorify the hunter.
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Misskittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:35 PM
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6. Agreed
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:35 PM
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7. que?
You really think he came across as a lion?
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 06:35 PM
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47. He came across as a sane and reasonable adult, debating against spoiled children.
That gets average people on his side in this.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:43 PM
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11. agree...
and he needed to say these things in primetime when more people are paying attention...good move by Obama!
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 03:20 AM
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42. True.
Here's the text of President's speech:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/07/25/a...

It beat the heck out of Boehner's neo-con nonsense which was pretty much along the lines of Grover Norquist BS.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:34 PM
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agreed
This just looked like more of what each of them say Americans hate --- quibbling.

I don't think the WH was particularly well crafted or strategic.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:34 PM
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4. K&R
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:35 PM
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5. For nearly three years, DU goes..
..'Appeal directly to the people!" "Call them out!" "Use the bully pulpit."

I guess they didn't mean it.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:37 PM
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8. I guess I missed the part where I said he shouldn't address
the American people. Oh yeah, that's because I didn't. :eyes:
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:38 PM
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10. Funny how quickly the "bully pulpit" becomes "meaningless talk"
Edited on Mon Jul-25-11 08:39 PM by killbotfactory
It's not that Obama's most ardent critics on the left are implacable, oh heaven's no.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:49 PM
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17. Oh no, that just couldn't be the case, could it. nt
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:57 PM
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24. Yup. +1 n/t
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:43 PM
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12. But he didn't make his case.
Asking for more compromise shows weakness, not strength.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:38 PM
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9. he told them he'd take it to the people...
and he did. I appreciated him explaining his side. :shrug:
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:44 PM
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13. You should consider yourself lucky that Obama doesn't start his own network like Oprah!
Obama is using the bully pulpit to win over the American people, in case you don't understand that concept.

3 press conferences in 2 weeks -- that's how you put the heat on the GOP!!!!
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:46 PM
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14. He didn't make his case.
Edited on Mon Jul-25-11 08:47 PM by senseandsensibility
That's the point. Thanks for the condescending reply though. You're pretty important, knowing big words like bully pulpit and all. Wow.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 01:14 AM
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39. Sure he did. Only Repubs can't figure out how they lost this war.
It pisses people off to be told the unvarnished truth.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:48 PM
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15. What!? he is trying to get the American people to act and force congress
the republicans to do the right thing. FDR and many other presidents did the same thing.
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:49 PM
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16. For a lot or people who don't pay constant attention to the details of this situation, I think Obama
Edited on Mon Jul-25-11 08:49 PM by Parker CA
gave them a very good snapshot of where things stand and who is and isn't being reasonable. Lots out there don't spend significant, if any time on political websites. I think this was for them. I bet it polls well.

That said, I still think we're getting screwn in this deal. How zero revenues seems "balanced" is so far beyond my comprehension skills I'd have to leave leave earth to find a place where it makes sense.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:53 PM
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19. Thanks for the polite reply.
It may poll well. But many things poll well, including higher taxes on the wealthy. We have poll results to back a much stronger speech by the President. The Independents are already with him. I just don't see how this address moved things forward in any way.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:55 PM
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22. "Being Reasonable" when you are dealing with Thugs to save your life...doesn't cut it...
It was like bringing a wet noodle to a gun fight when Boehner followed him. Obama didn't make a case for why we should have been alert to watch him. Boehner gave the better speech..and he shouldn't have been allowed to do that. It was the Presidents time.. I don't know why the Cables broke protocol from years past to allow that. But, I suspect that Obama was fine with it. I didn't want to suspect anything like that...but I'm now thinking we have One Party Rule. :-(
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:02 PM
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30. Boehner stood up there and lied and acted like a dick. I don't see that as a stronger speech for
even a second, but we all see these things differently.

I don't think this was Obama trying to nail the GOP yet. Although you or I or many others on DU would've taken a much different approach, this apparently wasn't the time Obama and the WH, for whatever reason, felt like they should bring the hammer.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the rhetoric become more pointed from Obama over the next week, but I also won't be shocked if it doesn't. Aside the presser on Friday, he hasn't been forceful about this, presumably because what's unfolding isn't entirely against what he feels is okay to accept.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:52 PM
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18. Great Republican talking point ya got there. "The American People," my ass. nt
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:54 PM
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20. Huh?
Edited on Mon Jul-25-11 08:55 PM by senseandsensibility
Are you accusing me of something? Spell it out.
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TNLib Donating Member (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:55 PM
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21. I think it was more to make the repukes in Congress look foolish
than anything else.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:55 PM
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23. I disagree STRONGLY. During a one-week countdown to global economic disaster,
the President MUST be given time to educate and involve low-information voters.

Should radio stations have refused to air FDR's fireside chats?

The policy you advocate IMO is just a source of corporate excuses allowing greedy networks to choose to keep ALL the ad revenue from wrestling and all the other garbage on TV and cable on a Monday night.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:58 PM
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25. I policy I advocate?
Not sure I'm following you. I never said that networks should not give him time.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:00 PM
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28. There's something like a literacy problem on this thread.
And it's not yours.

lol
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:04 PM
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32. LOL
I didn't think it was, but then again, it's been a long day. :)
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:06 PM
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35. Were you just considering Obama's appearance on this particular day, or were
you not saying that Presidents should not ask for air time unless thy have "new" news to break?

I inferred the latter, which is just next door to "Stations do not have to carry Presidential addresses unless they break "new" news." Sorry if that's not what you meant.

Even if it was not, what would motivate such a policy? IMO, the answer is network greed.
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pennylane100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:42 PM
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38. No you didn't, but you did say he shouldn't ask for time unless he has news.
While I think his speech should have been much more like the one he gave on Friday, I think that in this crisis, the president is right to ask for time to keep in touch with the people. While his speech did not provide what we wanted to hear, he definitely should keep the people informed of where he is coming from.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:59 PM
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26. He had news for you. He needs your help to contact your Congress. You can't do that?
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:01 PM
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29. I've been doing that for weeks. Not news.
Don't understand your comment. Was this really the first time you've heard about contacting congress?
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:05 PM
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34. Then you'll easily do it again.
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:59 PM
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27. I disagree
I think it's a good thing that he can get air time to instruct/educate/make his case and ask for help. I don't see anything at all wrong with that.


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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:03 PM
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31. Remember FDR's Fireside Chats?
He didn't always have news. It's a way for a president to connect with the American people without having to go through the interpretation of all the news analysts on the air. I think he should talk to all of us more often.


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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:04 PM
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33. the news was that the republicans will do nothing to end default
Edited on Mon Jul-25-11 09:05 PM by spanone
that's news to most folks who only pay attention to this shit when it's about to implode
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:07 PM
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36. Give me a fucking break
He's taking it to the people as he should have done a long time ago. He's actually asking us to engage in the process by making our voices heard. What did you want. For him to wave a magic wand and be our fairy godmother?
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 06:23 PM
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45. How many work places permit breaks for that?
Edited on Tue Jul-26-11 06:23 PM by jberryhill

If you get a fucking break, then everybody's going to want one.
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theglammistress Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:11 PM
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37. I thought the president did a good job.
This speech wasn't for people that have been following along for months and months. It was for the average American who (sadly) doesn't read the news or (even more sadly) understand the debt ceiling period.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 01:21 AM
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40. "The American people" need to hear more from the President, less from the lying right wingers.
I've heard it mentioned repeatedly, that he should put the facts out himself, not leave it all to the Teabagging scum to mangle and misrepresent.
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BernieSandersIsGod Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 03:13 AM
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41. I don't even listen to Obama talk anymore. Way too polite for my frustrations. I'm tired of all
politicians. We just need to admit are best days are behind us as a nation. Just like Bill Maher said.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 06:19 PM
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43. I think President Obama was showing leadership. nt
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 06:20 PM
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44. Because nothing breeds apathy like the President asking people to get involved.
:rofl:
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 06:23 PM
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46. They call it a Bully Pulpit for a reason.
reading some history books might be suggested for you.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 06:38 PM
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48. I disagree.
I'd like more direct updates from the president. I'd rather not have to read about what 'some administration officials say..' rather than hearing it from his lips.

He still has the magic to fire people up.
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