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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 02:32 PM
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Green Tea Party for Labor anyone?
This comes out of another post I make on another thread and a discussion on Thom Hartmann yesterday. I have always thought we needed a labor party. Let's face it, most Americans either work for someone else or want to work if they are unemployed, or are former retired workers and many are small business people. That puts most of us in the majority and regardless of how we think about other issues, this is the one thing we are united in. The demonstrations by labor in Wisconsin with participants from both parties shows us where the real divide is. We all want bargaining rights, safe workplaces and benefits that enable us to live a middle class life. Most of us also want access to health care and education for our children. Again we are all pretty united on these issues regardless of what we think of others.

So where does the Green Tea Party come in? We take over the Democratic Party. Thom Hartmann laid this out brilliantly. He said the Tea Party movement, although really funded by corporations and using gullible people for their own purposes, has taken over the GOP. He said instead of going off and forming a third party, which is only divisive, we need to take over the Democratic Party the same way. We are stuck with a two party system, so we need to get our Party to work in a way that is beneficial to the majority of Americans. There have been movements like Move On and more recently Van Jones efforts in the Progressive Alliance to do just that. The problem that I see is that these movements are not very focused on one big unifying identity and try to cover too many issues. All these little grass roots movements don't get a big majority to turn out to make change.

Thus, we need labor, the largest constituency here in the USA. However, just for the sake of labeling we could call ourselves The Green Tea Party for Labor as in opposition to the other Tea Party. It also signals that we care about environmental issues. Some of the organization that are already out there could merge in to one big Green Tea Party since they already have the organization mechanisms in place to get to work right away. Does anybody think this could work?
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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 03:15 PM
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1. Hell yeah!
Green Tea is superior to the other stuff, lots of anti-oxidants and other wholesome goodness, too.

GREEN TEA PARTY FOR LABOR! I love it.

(Does this mean we liberal gun-owners can come openly packing heat to our rallies as well? ;) )
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 03:18 PM
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2. Let's put it this way,
gun issues or abortion or other things like that would not be part of the agenda, just labor and what affects labor. Big wing in a big tent party with a specific target, making laws that benefit the workers of America and their families.
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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 03:26 PM
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3. Sounds fair enough to me.
Where do we sign up?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 03:29 PM
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4. Why is this so controversial that I would get three unrecs?
Is labor a dirty word now?
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 04:55 PM
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19. most likely for pushing a third party.
:shrug:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 05:13 PM
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21. I'm not pushing for a third party but one that addresses
the real needs of Americans in a caucus within the Democratic Party. No one seems to object to the DLC corporate wing which are now in charge and doing everything for banks and Wall Street but nothing for the worker.
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Creideiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 05:48 PM
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24. I rate this statement "Pants on Fire"
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 03:31 PM
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5. I guess Green Tea Party sounds better then the
Oolong or PuErh Tea party!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 03:33 PM
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7. Actually, that would be the Black Tea Party which
is sinister sounding on its own. But I get your point. :-)
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 03:32 PM
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6. Such a strategy may be the only way politically.
The only other way is to create an alternative society within the corporate state to counter its devastating effects. By the way, the Green Tea Party is catchy.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 03:34 PM
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8. I thought so.
Sometimes we have to borrow some things from the enemy and this is strictly a type of labeling common in advertising.
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 04:22 PM
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9. Not a great fan of Ralph Nader, but
you all should read Only the Super-rich Can Save Us.

It's a book, written before the teabaggers, about a group formed on the left that was the mirror opposite of the tea party. Even has Rush in it.
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drpepper67 Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 04:23 PM
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10. I don't think the Tea Party has done the GOP favors and splintering the
Democratic Party will have the same affect.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 04:35 PM
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13. No it won't because we won't be a phony caucus
backed by billionaires for their purposes. We would be backed by labor unions and any one else who must work for a living and has a dog in the fight for a better life.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 04:28 PM
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11. So, we abandon civil rights & women's rights solely for the rights of labor? Nope.
I won't join that party.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 04:33 PM
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12. We don't abandon anything. It's the labor faction
Edited on Sat Jul-23-11 04:44 PM by Cleita
who will be the majority and once they get labor back on track the women's rights, civil rights and all those follow in place because they are part of the work place. It's just we need a focus to gain a majority and labor is the majority.

Do you work for a living? Are you against labor unions? If you are then for sure you don't belong in that party.
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drpepper67 Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 04:45 PM
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14. This idea isn't even 12 hours old and it's already happening...
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 04:49 PM
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17. Yeah. Just like the Coffee Party turned out to be such a tour de force. (n/t)
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 05:13 PM
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22. The Coffee Party was a joke and you know it. n/t
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 04:47 PM
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16. Yes. Because it has always been SOOOOO easy to get labor on board in regards
to civil rights and women's rights. (sarcasm)

What you are proposing is to take the Democratic Party back to the 40s & 50s. No thanks.

I do work for a living and I do not cross any picket line... including the current virtual picket against the Huffington Post.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 05:11 PM
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20. Actually I belonged to a union back in the sixties and
they were very much in favor of civil rights and women's rights. They fought to hire African Americans in jobs that mostly white women held previously to that and tried to get our wages up closer to the men's. They fought to get the company to allow us to wear pants because the job was harder to do in skirts and high heels. They fought against the glass ceiling. Many of the rights women enjoy today were fought for by women back then and having a union at your back made it more possible to get results. We also fought for flexible hours for child care and sick time to care for a sick child.

Now in the forties and fifties, women usually only worked until they were pregnant and then they stayed home to take care of the children. But their husbands, who had union jobs and voted Democratic were able to support a family because of it. Of course this didn't address the minority of women who had to work and raise children because of divorce or widowhood. This is where the women's movement started and the unions which had members as women were very much behind these changes. Also, this is where Gloria Steinhem got her ideas. It was a little article she did where she went undercover as a Playboy Bunny and she realized the women she worked with were doing it to support families and it was one of the few waitress jobs that paid well.

So if you want to live in your little bubble just worried about women's rights and forget that it all started in the workplace, we won't have any unity. Those unions in the forties and fifties although mainly for men, the majority of the work force, weren't perfect and suffered from many of the biases of the times, but we would not had had a revolution in the sixties if it weren't for the kids coming out of those middle class homes who were able to go to college and fight for a better world. Now it's disappearing and labor is the key.
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Proles Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 04:47 PM
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15. It's interesting, but. realistically
how would something like that get started?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 05:16 PM
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23. We already have a variety of parties or caucuses (I shouldn't
Edited on Sat Jul-23-11 05:16 PM by Cleita
call them parties) within the liberal population with their focuses on women's rights, environmental rights, civil rights and so on. We need to unite them all under one banner and I think labor is the one unifying force among them. Most of these movements already have an organization and people who run them in place so it would be easy to transition into one movement.
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Creideiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 04:51 PM
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18. There are far fewer Republicans
It would be easier to take over the Republican Party.
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 05:52 PM
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25. The name is a little confusingly similar to the names of the green party and the labour party. Maybe
that's a good thing. I think this idea merits some further discussion.
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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 05:52 PM
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26. Locking.
Nothing wrong with taking over the democratic party from within, but advocating for a third party formation, or voting third party is not supported by the mission of Democratic Underground.
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