I AM going to comment of what happened tonight

[titaniumsalute]

It is 100% very easy to explain. John Boner has no clout with his own caucus and the 50 or so Teaparty Freshman are holding him hostage. He is a weak leader and has no idea what to do next. he wanted to see if the votes were there, they were not, he walked away from the table. Period.

He's the biggest waste of fucking space ever as Speaker of the House.

[gateley]

1. I often wonder if he's sorry he ever got that job. nt

[titaniumsalute]

3. I think at night when he's put about 6-7 bourbons in his body

he wishes he was a simple member of Congress getting the perks without the responsibility. I believe he probably cries himself to sleep often.

[rurallib]

2. he is also a hostage of Grover Norquist. Who the fuck is Grover Norquist?

He appears to be the man who can bring the US to its knees.
One last thing about Boehner. personally, i think he has some serious alcohol demons that don't help.

[titaniumsalute]

4. I was listening to Grover Norquist today on the radio in a clip

and wondered the same thing. This is like some GOD to these assholes.

[rurallib]

10. I have never seen a whole party so scared of one guy.

i think this may be the key to their demise.

[patrice]

19. Who is behind GN? Is there something that is badly wounded by the Derivative Crash there who is

in danger of financial demise if this deal doesn't go their way? Are they THAT vulnerable to taxes? Boehner seemed to have NOOOOOOO options and he was previously billed as an effective deal maker. What happened and when?

[patrice]

22. Where does he get his power?

[shanti]

28. now that

is the $64,000 question. layers and layers....

[patrice]

30. That's part of what this whole thing has been about. It's PRIVATE information, so the President

can't just order someone to get it, plus there must be people around that hidden cadre who are dependent on them but not in charge, not decision makers, so you'd want to not hurt too many of them as you put pressure on their situation in order to find out who the leaders are and what their relationships are to the others and how bad the damage from the Derivative Crash is in that whole quarter.

VERY dicey stuff even when you're up against someone kind of limited like Boehner.

[11 Bravo]

11. He used to be the Mayor of the Emerald City, but was recalled. Now he is a back-up singer with ...

the Lollipop Guild.

[pennylane100]

5. But Newt comes in a close second.

[madfloridian]

6. But he's not the one who put Social Security on the table.

:shrug:

[emulatorloo]

12. Read Boehner's statements. Paraphrasing: "Obama was not serious about making Fundamental Changes to

Entitlements"

In other words Boehner wanted Ryan Plan on steroids and he wasn't going to get it.

[NCarolinawoman]

17. ....and that is exactly what I heard a teabagger Congressman from Georgia say.

He had a happy little glint in his eye. He said, "WE weren't the ones who put it on the table." :banghead:

[madfloridian]

18. Well, it's true.

For Democrats to put it on the table is sickening.

[Snotcicles]

7. Could the Justice Department charge Grover Norquist with blackmail or extortion? just sayin. nt

[girl gone mad]

8. Plausible, but thank god it didn't pass.

[NCarolinawoman]

13. I keep wondering if I should be grateful to the crazy teabaggers for saving medicare as we know it.

Strange place to be in.:crazy:

I REALLY don't want the eligibility age to be raised.

[freshwest]

16. Please post the GOP plan that won't do this.

[eilen]

33. They will try but up to now, we trusted Democrats in office to stop it. nt

[freshwest]

34. The GOP will try to save Social Security and Medicare? By privatizing it, you mean?

[eilen]

35. No, they will try to destroy it.

as they have in the past.

As I said. We used to depend on the Democrats to protect those programs.

[freshwest]

36. My elected Democrats still do. But they are vastly outnumbered and outspent.

The numbers in the last election from the Kovian influence peddlers in the last election were too close. It's appalling that so many lies and so much hatred against Democrats is seen as normal now.

Those who dare to speak up have their lives and their families threatened repeatedly for supporting these programs. I will continue to support my representatives, because they know and argue and vote for things that the GOP never will. There is a profound diference between them and the GOP program of eliminating the programs.

And my members are repeatedly outvoted, as they vote against wars, for healthcare and civil rights. I still have their back, but too many people have fallen into believing what the media says. All of it, not just FNN. We have no real voice since media consolidation.

I will not broadbrush the entire party as it is so easy to do.

[socialshockwave]

9. I kinda

feel like when it came to deciding who to be House Speaker the Republicans decided to draw straws and Boehner got the shortest.

[freshwest]

14. Certain groups always profit in Depression. Obama has been acting like a human with monsters.

The problem is that we have NO voice in the media. If we did, if Obama did, there would be an enormous backlash built up by August 2nd to bring these pigs to heel.

The media that the GOP owns, will spin this game until after August 3rd, they're already calling state meetings to save the GOP will save SS, etc. The media will not tell the Democratic side of this to give Obama the mandate he needs to stop these crooks.

And Democrats have bought the lie, but what do we expect, really? We are awash in a sea of media distortion, paid for by the highest bidders and it's not about news, or even information. The media is nothing but a commercial, using dog whistles and distractions to keep people agitated and afraid and not thinking clearly.

The MOX NEWS videos posted here on DU showed that Obama is on top of this and has not changed his stance. But it was all delivered in the tenor of a thinking man, an intelligent man who is looking to all sides to make things work. But it won't get any respect due to the 24/7, wall-to-wall, viral, paid for media venues that will keep the distortion going.

We are drowning in an ocean of propaganda paid for by those we ask to inform us about the important events of our lives. We can hardly think straight, so I don't even get mad when I see Dems regurgitating the RW talking points. It's all FAR RW talking points, next to that, and faux left or democratic talkers to sucker us into listening to the entire package.

These bastards are molding our worlds as they mold our minds to think there is no other choice but to give into their manufactured despair and disrespect for our ideals and principles, until we are afraid to even utter them in public. Those voices who are strong and speak for us are silences, denied a platform to speak or shot.

I will be having a rough time these next few weeks. as we enter into another month of this nightmare they are wanting to inflict on us all. I won't buy their lies, their hatred of me and what I believe. I don't know who will win out. But I won't give in.


:rant:

[patrice]

20. We are the voice at present. nt

[freshwest]

23. And they are many, and we are few. Thanks anyway.

[patrice]

27. Huh? Doesn't that depend upon where you're standing? I personally know hundreds of people who are

involved and I don't mean just here on the DU and I do live in a very red state.

Do you go out to local activities any? Talk personally with friends and family ON THE ISSUES?

So defeated before you even get out of the gate . . . ! Do you know what self-fulfilling prophecy is? Please don't be offended, but I HOPE you will think about it just a little.

[freshwest]

29. Don't take it the wrong way and I'm not offended. Just sent you a PM to explain.

:hi:

[patrice]

31. Thank you! I'm sorry I misunderstood!

:hi: See you around, freshwest! :hi:

[lunatica]

15. He's a coward.

[freshwest]

24. Boehner is a paid shill for the big money interests. Remember him handing out the lobbyists checks?

I wish the people in his district weren't dittoheads.

Edited for wrong thread.

[rucky]

21. Neither "leader" believes what they're selling. n/t

[freshwest]

25. What are we selling to ourselves?

[rucky]

26. Sacrifice more now so we don't have to sacrifice more later.

[Blue Owl]

32. Dick Liquor

He's so "members only"