Yeah, I'll probably have to vote for him in 2012. But I'm pissed off.

[stevedeshazer]

Aren't you? I am.

Disaffected Liberals and Progressives, what should we do?

[Ruby the Liberal]

1. Wait and see what happens, I guess

Its still early.

[defendandprotect]

20. "It's still early" .... ???? ROFL

it's so late we should have our heads examined -- !!!

We all need our BS meters turned waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay up -- !!

[Me.]

2. Yeah, The Old Where Else Are They Going To Go Strategy At Work

[Fuzz]

3. 2008 was the first time I thought I wasn't voting for the 'lesser of two evils'.

2012 will be back to the same old pattern.

(just said that in another thread)

[stevedeshazer]

4. That's a big 10-4 n/t

[MrDiaz]

25. Come on man

Everybody was loving Obama in 2008, including me. I don't remember any threads talking badly about Obama before presidency.

[Fuzz]

26. Yes, read what I said again.

[hifiguy]

44. I hear you

and feel exactly the same way.

[Dept of Beer]

5. Have to? Is there a gun pointed to your head on election day?

:shrug:

[stevedeshazer]

6. On election day 2012

My ballot will already be counted thanks to vote-by-mail.

I don't like guns and your analogy doesn't work.

Thanks for playing. I do at times like beer.

[Dept of Beer]

I'm not playing. I am serious.

I am always serious even when it appears that I am not.

[tavalon]

15. As we've been told a thousand, nay a million times

Not to vote for Obama is to vote for the batshit crazy Republican. It's the Nader Shaming Technique. Unfortunately, Obama acts like he does because he thinks we have no where else to go. Even more unfortunately, he's right.

[defendandprotect]

21. We have options and we can create options -- if we stick together --

[Dept of Beer]

8. Echo

[stevedeshazer]

17. Okay.

Who should I vote for?

For the record, I have voted since 1974.

The gun is anti-Republican.

Really?

I think you are a troll.

[Dept of Beer]

22. You may throw whatever poop you like at me.

I don't bruise easily, and poop wipes off.

But how will you feel on election day with a pyrrhic victory if the price is SS, Medicare and Tax cuts for the rich?

Will you look at yourself in the mirror?

[Warpy]

7. Think locally, I guess

and try to make sure he's facing a Congress full of Progressives instead of teabagging idiots.

[murielm99]

Yes, think locally.

I will be helping a Democrat run for Congress, starting next month, with his listening tour. There is a repub in the seat. They elected a teabagger in his district, for the first time. I think we can get it back.

Also, good things are happening in Wisconsin. We have to help them as much as possible.

[stevedeshazer]

9. I think this is the best strategy,

+1 what you said.

[aquart]

12. THEY took over because we didn't.

They went for all the small local stuff nobody turns out for. And they took over the country from the bottom to the top. There is NO elected job that is unimportant.

[stevedeshazer]

10. Well, I'm quite happy that the Beer Department has weighed in

If you could weigh out, it would make me even happier.

[stevedeshazer]

11. Thanks, troll

You stinky.

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[tavalon]

14. Vote national, work local

I'm going to work for the election of Jay Inslee to my state's governorship. My money and my shoes are local (well, I'm sending money to Alan Grayson, but how could I not?). Obama will get my vote but he'll get nothing else from me. Which makes it a pretty even give and take.

[Jim Lane]

29. I agree. In the general election, I'll vote for Obama but my money and time will go elsewhere.

If a progressive challenges Obama in the primaries, I'll vote for the challenger, though I'll know that Obama's renomination is inevitable. I don't expect such a challenge, BTW.

Expressing frustration with Obama by casting a write-in vote in November is out of the question for me. It would mean giving up my opportunity to try to block whatever wingnut the GOP settles on.

[Forkboy]

16. I don't even know what I'm doing this weekend yet.

:)

[stevedeshazer]

18. I love you.

+1

[defendandprotect]

19. Give him a second crack at Social Security and Medicare ... ??? Why?

What to do -- ?

Remember we always have options --

The more you vote for the "lesser evil" the further you move the Dem Party

and Congress to the RIGHT!!


We all need to begin talking about this more openly -- we're a huge liberal

voting bloc in a liberal nation -- we need to stick together -- discuss all of

this and decide on what to do --



:hi:

[tavalon]

31. Supreme Court Nominees

[defendandprotect]

36. Women's groups have encouraged voting for "lesser evil" for decades to SAVE Roe vs Wade ...

and look where they are now -- !!

Koch Bros funded DLC and this Dem Party anxious to pass an ERA or stepping up

to defend attacks on Roe vs Wade and women's clinics all over the nation? No!

The silence is the message --


Reminder -- when you vote for the "lesser evil" you move the party and Congress to the RIGHT!

[SammyWinstonJack]

33. Ya know, I didn't even think about that. He doesn't get his nasty

cuts through this time and is re-elected, he'll pull the 'mandate' card out and claim we re-elected him to 'fix' our 'entitlement 'programs.


:tinfoilhat:?

I think not.


Bush pulled that crap and got away with it.

[slay]

23. I do not think I can

vote for Obama again. Face it - he doesn't fight for us and is for all intents and purposes he has a pro-corporate republican mentality. how can i vote for that? just because the republicans like bachmann and the rest are evil-er and shitty-er? maybe that's what america needs as a wake up call. i don't know. but what i do know is, i do not support Obama's actions over these first 4 years and i can not vote to continue this madness. we need somebody to primary him. but nobody will. we need a viable 3rd party - but there is none. so i will likely write in Bernie Sanders and watch as the country chooses 4 more years of this bullshit. fucking sad really - to see the country go down like this - and at the hands of a supposedly Dem president. Sigh... :shrug:

[defendandprotect]

37. Think we need to keep on discussing a Plan B for 2012 --

and we should remember this is a liberal nation --

and we have a huge liberal voting bloc --

most liberals have been staying home for decades --

Right now, the threat is from both parties -- and only some deep thinking will

get us out of this --

I'm sure you know, this corporate/fascism isn't going to end with taking awa

Social Security and Medicare --


:(


Btw, if you haven't read Al Gore's Rolling Stone article what he is describing is

fascism in America without using the word --

Gore tells us that Congress is under the control of oil and coal industry --

Just coincidentally, the very people who have destroyed the planet with Global Warming --

We should have NATIONALIZED oil and our natural resources decades ago -- !!

We could have saved the planet!

[slay]

50. "We should have NATIONALIZED oil and our natural resources decades ago"

so fucking true - and we still need to.

[Enthusiast]

24. Short of Obama somehow

convincing congress to enact single payer health care and raising taxes on millionaires I will not vote for him in 2012. I hope the rest of you will find someone else to vote for.

[jtown1123]

27. If this passes with his blessing I will not vote for him. I'll do a write in.

he clearly thinks he can win without my support.

[TBF]

28. Who cares? Seriously, what does "voting" have to do with anything?

If we were smart, as a class of workers, we would ignore their dog and pony show altogether.

At any rate, voting is not until 2012, however you feel about it.

To prevent this now we should be getting folks in the street. I have posted several times about a rally in Houston this Sat. put on by our local dems (with speakers such as Shelia Jackson Lee) - and I have seen NO references to any other rallies nationwide. Congress is going to jam this "plan" through, and hurt our most vulnerable citizens while y'all are putzing around worrying about who to "vote" for.

[defendandprotect]

38. Obama is moving against the WILL OF THE PEOPLE --

Agree that seniors should be organized -- they aren't evidently, except via AARP

which is an insurance company!

Also think we need to be talking about 2012 now and alternate liberal candidate --

If Obama doesn't get this thru this term -- why give him another crack at it with

a new term?

And probably you know that this corporate/fascism isn't going to end with Social Security

and Medicare -- !!

[jtown1123]

40. Check out NCPSSM. They're not an insurance company and have more than 3 mill. members

They should have more though!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPeEejtoT_o&feature=channel_video_title

www.ncpssm.org

[defendandprotect]

43. Only $12 a year to join ... !! Lobbyists?

It's a beginning I guess --

[jtown1123]

48. Yupp very affordable

They've been around for 23 years. I've been a member for 3. All their money goes towards lobbying Congress to protect these programs from cuts. It's a good group and they're completely advocacy based, not like AARP.

[defendandprotect]

49. They've been around for 23 years -- attacks have only worsened during that time!!

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[ileus]

32. after the election Barack will return to his progressive roots, have faith.

He's only doing what's needed to get those middle votes. After the election and for the next 4 years we'll see what we voted for in 08.

[Ganja Ninja]

34. No thanks. I'm not buying that bull.

I've seen enough. I'm not wasting my vote on him a second time around.

[bdamomma]

42. being devils' advocate here

would you really want crazy Bachman, or the rest of the crazies to get in and take us down again?

[WorseBeforeBetter]

46. Bachmann wouldn't be getting away with what Obama is getting away with.

Nor would McCain and Yukon Barbie.

[jtown1123]

39. Nope. More than 70% oppose SS and Medicare cuts yet he's still pushing for them

He's not progressive at all. Candidate Obama is different from President.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

45. "Community Organizer" is only on his CV to pad it, like we've all done.

And please tell me your head isn't that far buried in the sand to believe what you just wrote. Do you really believe that CUTS to Social Security and Medicare will get "middle votes." Really? Jayzus, stay away from used car lots.

[proud patriot]

35. I'm waiting til the deal is done

but I'm really close to being pissed off I tell you what . Though will likey vote Dem in the presidential til instant run off voting helps me out .

[kenny blankenship]

41. Only you can decide how much screwing you will take - and ask for more.

"I'm pissed off" - "I'll probably have to vote for him"

If you ask for more, I can promise you you'll get it.

[oldlib]

47. We need to impress

on Obama that we need progressive programs,and to stop the compromise with the GOOP. The ulterior position with the GOOP is unthinkable and he leaves us without a clear choice.