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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:17 PM
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The Gang of Six SIGNIFICANTLY LOWERS Taxes on the Wealthy
Edited on Tue Jul-19-11 06:31 PM by Fearless
These are the federal income tax brackets today:


single person non-corporate:


1. $0-8500 your tax bracket is 10%
2. $8500-34500 your tax bracket is 15%
3. $34000-83600 your tax bracket is 25%
4. $83,600-174400 your tax bracket is 28%
5. $174400-379150 your tax bracket is 33%
6. Above $379150 your tax bracket is 35%

file jointly (married):

1. $0-17000 your tax bracket is 10%
2. $17000-69000 your tax bracket is 15%
3. $69000-139350 your tax bracket is 25%
4. $139350-212300 your tax bracket is 28%
5. $212300-379150 your tax bracket is 33%
6. Above $379150 your tax bracket is 35%

file separately (married):

1. $0-8500 your tax bracket is 10%
2. $8500-34500 your tax bracket is 15%
3. $34000-69675 your tax bracket is 25%
4. $69675-106150 your tax bracket is 28%
5. $106150-189575 your tax bracket is 33%
6. Above $189575 your tax bracket is 35%

http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_brackets.htm

If the "Gang of Six" Plan passes this will change to THREE brackets at:

1. 8-12%
2. 14-22%
3. 23-29%

http://assets.nationaljournal.com/pdf/071911ConradBudge...

It is true that we don't know what the dollar figures will be but we do know that the HIGHEST BRACKET WILL PAY AT LEAST 6 TO 14% LESS. This is a second TAX GIVEAWAY FOR THE RICH!!


For heaven's sake call the White House. Tell them this is not acceptable!

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact
Comments: 202-456-1111


Your Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senat...
Your Representatives: https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml

Edit: Grammar.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:20 PM
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1. Does it close any loopholes?
And if it does, what would be the NET tax effect?
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:22 PM
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7. "If CBO scored this plan, it would find net tax relief of approximately $1.5 trillion."
Edited on Tue Jul-19-11 06:22 PM by Fearless
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:26 PM
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17. So the Gang of 6 want to "Double Down on the Bush Tax Cuts"
plunging the working poor and middle class further down the road to serfdom
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:29 PM
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21. They will argue that the poor get a tax cut to... which they do...
But they will omit that tax cuts do NOT create jobs.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:31 PM
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23. So where is the REVENUE - the bill is as bad as the rest
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:33 PM
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25. EXACTLY!!
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #23
45. Everyone at the 15% rate will be bumped up to 22%.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #45
53. Prove it.
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 08:29 AM
Response to Reply #45
63. This agression will not stand, man.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #21
44. The poor need money, Social Security, Medicare. Not all poor are young and healthy.
Edited on Tue Jul-19-11 10:18 PM by WinkyDink
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 10:16 PM
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43. Doesn't matter. Not everyone would be using loopholes. GET THE MONEY STRAIGHT OFF THE TOP.
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SnakeEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 11:04 PM
Response to Reply #43
51. The rich use loopholes
They can afford the people to find and file them properly. That's how rich people don't pay the proper percent they are supposed to pay.
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 07:49 AM
Response to Reply #1
60. It closes deductions for the middle class to doubly screws us
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:20 PM
Response to Original message
2. If this is true
and I mean if,then I'm done.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #2
24. Not just you. The entire country is done.
We wouldn't survive that loss of revenue.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:21 PM
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3. Please withhold your analysis or criticism until it's too late
At which point, you will be told that you shoulda said something earlier.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #3
9. Amen !
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #3
11. +1 n/t
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #3
13. Exactly.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #3
20. priceless!!
:applause:



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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #3
32. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #3
37. LOL!
:rofl:
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 07:49 AM
Response to Reply #3
58. LOL!!! n/t
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 07:49 AM
Response to Reply #3
59. Bingo
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 07:50 AM
Response to Reply #3
61. hahaha bless you
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muffin1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 08:44 AM
Response to Reply #3
66. !
Perfect reply! :rofl:
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #3
74. Noticed that, too, did ya?
I hate to complain about the President even though he deserves it. I'll just shut up now.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #3
75. I am SO using that from now on
PERFECT response to that particular concern brigade.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 10:38 AM
Response to Reply #3
77. LOL.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 10:48 AM
Response to Reply #3
82. Perfect!
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #3
87. lol
or "well, did you criticize congress too??" - as if we're fuckin' stupid.

btw - :fistbump:
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #3
91. yep
:thumbsup:
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Laf.La.Dem. Donating Member (924 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:21 PM
Response to Original message
4. DO NOT CALL THEM RICH
They are job creators!!!

:spank:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #4
16. LOL
Yes, proper respect for our lords and barons.
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Courtesy Flush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #4
92. Hey neighbor
New Iberia here :hi:
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:22 PM
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5. While closing loopholes and raising $1 trillion in revenue.
Edited on Tue Jul-19-11 06:23 PM by tritsofme
So what is the problem? Or is this just one of those knee jerk whining type of things?
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:24 PM
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14. First that the cuts are for $1.5T as I quoted above... AND
Edited on Tue Jul-19-11 06:25 PM by Fearless
Most of that it gets rid of the AMT (Alternative Minimum Tax) which is supposed to stop the wealthy from taking advantage of special tax cuts for the poor. So even if their $1T estimate is true... it puts us 500 BILLION further into the red in their OWN WORDS.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #14
27. The AMT has become increasingly regressive. n/t
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #27
29. There is no doubt it needs to be reformed... however not removed...
The theory behind it is VITAL. The rich should not profit from tax breaks set up for the poor.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #29
31. Yep, go back to the original law that
targeted the the top 155 earners.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:27 PM
Response to Reply #5
18. I think the "$1 trillion in revenue" from the loopholes offsets far large decreases from the rates
which is why the net effect is a decrease of $1.5 trillion in revenue. As well as the decrease in tax rates specified in the OP, it abolishes the AMT which cuts revenue by $1.7 trillion.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:34 PM
Original message
Are you familiar with the expression, "Dont buy a pig in a poke"?
Lower tax rates on the rich and we will give you "closing loopholes" in a poke. Bullshit. Close the loopholes first then lets talk.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:37 PM
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30. It's not even in a poke - they seem proud that it decreases tax revenue
I agree the loopholes should be closed first - that, and the increase in the debt ceiling.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #5
46. Raise the taxes on the wealthy, and raise TWO trillion. Where are all these closed loopholes, BTW?
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 10:51 PM
Response to Reply #5
48. If that's the case, fine
A lot of corporations and very wealthy people come nowhere near to paying 35% in taxes. Sometimes with the loopholes it's way below even 10 - 20%.

So if lowering the max tax rate to 29% and closing loophole so that people actually end up paying 29%, then fine by me.

But color me skeptical.
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 08:43 AM
Response to Reply #5
65. Simplifying the tax code in a way that increases revenue seems fair to me
people had a big problem with GE paying zero taxes last year. And then a proposal comes along that might lower their theoretical tax rate but increase the actual amount they pay by eliminating loopholes and people are pissed that their tax rate is reduced.

We focus on the wrong things. The only thing that really matters is what people/corporations end up paying come tax season. Not what they might pay if they don't utilize loopholes.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:22 PM
Response to Original message
6. Thanks Obama For Change They Can Believe In
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:22 PM
Response to Original message
8. K & R
& oh, we are so fucked...
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:22 PM
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10. Of course they do.
Rope-a-dope!
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:23 PM
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12. and how will this help the deficit again? /nt
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #12
22. Honestly, Sir: When a Family Has More Bills Than Income, Dad Always Asks for Less Hours At the Plant
Taking in less money is the very best way to pay off mounting bills --- every family in the U.S. of A. knows that!
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #22
38. I appreciate your wit /nt
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:24 PM
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15. Of course it does.
This is a heist.
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Still Waters Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:28 PM
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19. That's some great hope and change there for them
a lot of stress, fear, and pain for the dwindling middle class
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NutmegYankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:34 PM
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26. I'd only accept this if ALL income was taxed at that bracket.
As that would actually raise taxes on the rich, who often pay 15% on capital gains.

But I doubt this will happen...
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 06:36 AM
Response to Reply #26
57. Well, not yet "all", but "more" income is taxed at that bracket
That's how it ends up being revenue-positive.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:35 PM
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28. They will never, ever close loopholes. Lower the rates AFTER THE LOOPHOLE ARE CLOSED. Dont be a
gullible.
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SnakeEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 11:16 PM
Response to Reply #28
52. They were closed once before
Tip did a great job in the 80s. Problem is politicians let them creep back in later. They can be closed again
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #52
54. Not by the current cast of thieves in Congress. nm
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:53 PM
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33. Steve Wynn must love them. *gag*
Will Obama agree to this economic piracy?
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. As we both know Mr. Obama is quite good at giving away the farm -
he's done it several times now.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #33
41. He says he supports it and it is along the lines of his own thoughts.
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soryang Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 07:10 PM
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35. The "Grand Bargain" equals "The Grand Sellout"
More Obama gifts for the Wall Street Grifters.
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 07:16 PM
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36. This is a tax giveaway for multi-millionaires and billionaires.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 10:41 AM
Response to Reply #36
80. Call them by their real name-
Job Creators. :crazy:
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 10:07 PM
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39. I'm missing our blue link friends on this topic.
I want some counter arguments.
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 08:41 AM
Response to Reply #39
64. There are none. This plan is so bad it seems like a nightmare.
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muffin1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 08:50 AM
Response to Reply #39
67. They're probably still meeting...
Should we go with 'he doesn't have a magic wand' again? 'Rope-a-dope'? 'Chess'? 'He's the adult in the room' making the tough choices? 'Would you rather have Bachmann or Palin'? Who knows? Maybe they'll come up with a new one - these sure as hell are getting old and moldy.

I'm sure we'll all find out soon. Oh, joy. :hi:
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 10:08 PM
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40. I think I just threw up a little in my mouth...
:puke:
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 10:14 PM
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42. Why is any form of a tax cut included in a deficit reduction bill?
Why would any form of an actual Democrat fall for such treachery, much less endorse it?
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 10:22 PM
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47. What LOOPHOLES are allegedly cut? I keep reading about them......
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 07:50 AM
Response to Reply #47
62. They cut tax deductions that help the middle class...disgusting
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 10:56 PM
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49. Only in DC would they solve a deficit problem with less revenue
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 10:58 PM
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50. What it should be
1. $0-8500 your tax bracket is 0%
2. $8500-34500 your tax bracket is 10%
3. $34000-83600 your tax bracket is 25%
4. $83,600-174400 your tax bracket is 35%
5. $174400-379150 your tax bracket is 45%
6. $379150-500000 your tax bracket is 55%
7. Above $500000 your tax bracket is 65%
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 12:06 AM
Response to Reply #50
55. +1
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 10:42 AM
Response to Reply #50
81. With no loopholes.
I mean, we are at war all over the fucking place.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 06:35 AM
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56. Well, they'll have a lower rate, but probably end up paying the same or a little more
It's tough to honestly call this a "giveaway".
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #56
68. Closing loopholes creates a 1T dollar revenue... the tax cut costs 1.5T... net -500 Billion.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 10:27 AM
Response to Reply #68
70. I don't trust any legislators' scoring on this
I'll wait to see what CBO says. Though, yeah, the spin (intended for the Norquist crowd) that this is a 1.5 trillion cut is troubling, but I think it's probably playing a little fast with the truth.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #70
89. If anything the CBO will find it worse rather than better.
This is what the gang of six believes... -500 Billion... CBO will likely find greater.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #89
90. Per Yglesias, the gang of six 1 trillion is *on top of* letting the Bush tax cuts expire
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 10:24 AM
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69. As always the devil's in the details
Right now, with all the deductions available to them the rich usually end up paying at a rate far below what they are actually assessed at. Eliminate the deductions and you'd probably get as much or more out of them then they're paying now. Same thing with corporate taxes.

The devil, of course is in the details. My big concern is that the deductions that are going to be cut are going to be the few that the middle class can take advantage of i.e. deductions for home mortgage and for state and local taxes--a big deal for people who live where I do--New Jersey.

For example, with the home mortgage deduction, I would think that an elimination of deductions on interest on second homes and on primary residences more than a certain percentage above the median for your area would be fair. (Obviously I don't own a second home!).

For social security I would support first raising the cap and then if and only if that's not enough looking at benefits. I don't see anything about raising the cap here.

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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 10:28 AM
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71. Why should you get a deduction for your mortgage when I don't get one for my rent?
I never understood that.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 10:34 AM
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73. Actually, a "residential" allowance could be considered for both renters and owners
The idea has always been to encourage home ownership. I have not strong feeling about it either way. I suppose a "residential" allowance would have to be regionally assessed as housing prices vary considerably.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 10:36 AM
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76. But why do we want to encourage home ownership?
And why are we using the tax code to do it? (I know you're not the one who made the decision or anything, it's just always stuck in my craw because I've always lived in cities where buying a house was a silly idea.)
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 10:39 AM
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78. Because people who own property in a community have an incentive to strengthen and maintain it.
Edited on Wed Jul-20-11 10:40 AM by LoZoccolo
I'm a renter, by the way, but I do see the logic in this argument. You have an incentive in the upkeep of your community if your property value is tied to it.
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dreamnightwind Donating Member (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 01:54 PM
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83. All homes are owned
It's a question of whether they're owned by the occupants or by someone who is profiting on the inability of the occupants to afford the home they live in. I think homes should, in general, belong to the occupants. Investment ownership is profiteering and should be discouraged.

I'm less certain about the home mortgage interest deduction. If it was removed, it would further deflate housing prices, since owners would be paying more. Deflating housing prices even more, in this market, is death to many existing home owners (me). We'd walk away, broke and with ruined credit, increasing the downward spiral of the economy. After great pain, it might bring home prices down to where working-class people could afford them. Or it might open the floodgates for vultures to step in and buy tons of property cheap, then rent it out to the less fortunate (not a desirable scenario).

I generally don't believe in better-off people renting homes to the less affluent, it just seems wrong. I know there are some situations where a person would actually find it desirable to rent rather than to own, but these situations should be rare and occupant home ownership should be the preferred situation.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 02:04 PM
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86. the mortgage deduction results in a HUGE tax break
that many homeowners have been counting on. They shouldn't take it away but phase it out if they are going to get rid of it.

The mortgage deduction also seems to be subsidizing the banking industry to some extent, which I don't think is a good thing.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 02:17 PM
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88. I don't want a house. I'm fine in an apartment. They should all be condo?
What would people with bad credit do? Or people who have to move a lot? Or people who are starting out and living in a city where prices are sky-high? Some of us don't want the hassle and expense of owning a home. I'm not sure that's quite as rare as you think.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 10:31 AM
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72. Why bother to call the White House?
Are you joking? It's clear where Obama stands on this issue. He created THE FUCKING DEFICIT COMMISSION. He didn't listen to me before, on any issue. Millions of us have been ignored.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 01:59 PM
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84. but you better vote for him in 2012!
Can't have the crazy asshole Republican win.

:sarcasm:
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 10:40 AM
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79. Shared sacrifice. Between the poor and the middle class, that is. n/t
n/t
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 02:00 PM
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85. these people are simply evil
goddamn them to hell
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