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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:17 PM
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I don't understand... If you're not an "Obamabot," why do Hamsher's words offend you?
She wasn't talking about ALL supporters of Pres. Obama, just the extreme fringe.

:shrug:

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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:18 PM
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1. And Rahm wasn't talking about all people on the left when he said "professional left".
:shrug:
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:25 PM
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11. Well, that was exactly the argument made here on DU...
...that people were taking it too personally.

That, if they were not part of the "irrational" and "extreme" and "whining" left, then they were not the target of those remarks and so shouldn't be offended at all.

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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:28 PM
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17. Notice how well that argument went over though
People STILL complain about the Rahm-professional left comment. :shrug:
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:26 PM
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12. +1 n/t
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:43 PM
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43. EXACTLY!! And if I remember correctly, a whole bunch of DUers took it to mean
Edited on Thu Jul-14-11 02:43 PM by Liberal_Stalwart71
ALL LIBERALS! Rank and file liberals!
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:18 PM
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2. :POPCORN ME NOW DAMNIT:
:popcorn:

Defcon 4, I repeat, the owl has flown the coop
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:19 PM
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3. K&R.
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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:19 PM
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4. Same reason the N** word and the F** words offend me
and Jane is just as morally reprehensible as the people that freely use those words.
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:27 PM
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15. Hmm. You really can't compare the n word to what she said. Obama supporters
aren't a group with hundreds of years of system and institutionalized discrimination. Chill out.
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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:35 PM
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20. Jane's comments have a certain racial undertone to them
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:36 PM
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22. keep digging
good gawd don't strain yourself.
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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:37 PM
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26. Yeah I am sure the white girl born to privilege has "plenty of black friends"
:eyes:
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:38 PM
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30. if you need to lie about shit
you have an agenda
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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:39 PM
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33. So you admit that Jane has an agenda
You're half way there
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:40 PM
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38. your use of sophistry is pretty pathetic.. you seem very confused
oh, and wipe the spittle off you face, and take a chill pill. You aren't getting anymore attention from me... weeeeeeeeeeeee.
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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:44 PM
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47. Keep connecting the dots, Jane lied
now see if you can figure out what the agenda behind her campaign to undermine the President and the Democratic party is
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:39 PM
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35. This is very bizarre you have gone there
what does her having or not having black friends have to do with racism? We are way off the path here I think.
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:37 PM
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She's not talking about black people who support Obama, she's talking about
what she refers to as "Obamabots." People who are incapable of rational thought when it comes to objectively looking at the President and saying, does he have my best interests at heart?

You may disagree with her there, but I really don't see any racism.
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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:38 PM
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31. you know this how?
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:39 PM
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34. and you know it's racist... how?
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:40 PM
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37. Hmm because no where did she refer to black voters
that's how.
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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:44 PM
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50. Like the Republicans used the code word "State's rights"
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:43 PM
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45. do what?!
Edited on Thu Jul-14-11 02:44 PM by mike_c
Come on. That's a deep, hidden undertone there. Whether you agree with her or not, there's no reason to suggest that her comments are motivated by anything other than political commentary and opinion. Within that context one of the subjects is black in a majority white nation, but that's going to be true of everything said about Obama throughout his presidency.

Looking for racist boogie-men in the woodwork of Jane Hamsher's editorials is sort of missing the point when there are lots of blatantly obvious racists among the teabaggers and the their ilk, don't you think? Hamsher is criticising Obama's job performance without reference to race or any racial matters-- those others are wetting their pants because there's a black man in the White House. One need not scour between the lines of Hamsher's editorials to find racism in politics!
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:36 PM
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+1.
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CrossChris Donating Member (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:43 PM
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46. You should see some of the words being hurled at Jane today. nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:20 PM
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5. Are you serious?
"Obamabot"?

Hamsher has lost her mind. Speaking of "dumbest motherfuckers in the world," Hamsher conflates the claim that McConnell blinked with supporting McConnell's deal.

<...>

The irony is that the Obamabots are so out of touch with who Obama is and what he wants they dont realize that by cheering for the McConnell deal, and his prowess in making McConnell blink, it amounts to twisting the knife for him. It makes it impossible for him to reject the deal the end which empowers the GOP to hold out.

<...>


Not only is she wrong in her characterization of what the President's "most ardent supporters" are cheering, but also the word "ardent" is a throwaway since most Democrats have been cheering the fact that McConnell blinked.

The President has made no indication that he is willing to punt on this. In fact, the only thing about McConnell's deal that's worth considering is the fact that he finally admitted the debt ceiling should be raised.

To quote Pelosi:

What Leader McConnell has put on the table recognizes that we must pass a debt increase, Pelosi said. So it has that merit in that it says what are we talking about here: We have to pass this. And lets talk about the others things that are going on.

Hamsher is simply making up shit to attack the President and anyone who supports him.

Still, you seem to agree with her characterization if it refers only to "most ardent supporters."


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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:34 PM
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19. You infer far too much from my post, when you say:
Still, you seem to agree with her characterization if it refers only to "most ardent supporters."


Ironic, considering the tendency here to instantly conflate even the mildest criticism with "attacking" or "hating" Pres. Obama.

Now, simply commenting on a statement risks earning a place on the Enemies List, too?

Sad.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:38 PM
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32. From the OP: "If you're not an 'Obamabot,' why do Hamsher's words offend you?"
What does that mean?

"Obamabot" = "most ardent supporters"?

Those who are "ardent supporters" are the "dumbest motherfuckers in the world" and shouldn't be offended? Or are you saying only the "most ardent supporters" should be offended?

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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:21 PM
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6. Just as she represents the extreme fringe of self-styled
progressives who attack the President on every issue. I'm a supporter of President Obama. He is the duly-elected Democratic President of The United States. I do not always agree with him 100%, but I support him. I will do so in 2012, too.

Jane Hamsher has attacked him since before he ran for that office. She is no friend of the Democratic Party. I'm not sure where she's coming from exactly, but I know her by her fruits. Those fruits taste of the same bitterness as those of the far right.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:21 PM
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7. I have no problem with it, just her opinion
why should it matter to me?
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:24 PM
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9. EXACTLY!!!!!
:applause:
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:23 PM
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8. I just think she's the dumbest mfer on the planet.
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Safetykitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:25 PM
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10. This is why we can't have nice things.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:26 PM
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13. "Obamabot"
So attempting to offend with a term meant to be derogatory in your question about why people might be offended by being called "the dumbest mother fuckers in the world" is meant for anything but starting a huge DU war?

Nope.

I'm not offended by the shrill screeching of banshees; they can do what they want. It's a free country (sort of, in a way, if you squint). But people are free to be as offended as they wish by them also.
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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:36 PM
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23. well if you're not a "dumbest mother fucker"
you shouldn't be offended by that comment either
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:44 PM
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49. Oh but I am a dumbest mother fucker
But I'm not offended. As I said, It's a free country. But the purpose of the OP was inflammatory rather than informative.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:41 PM
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40. Oh, I totally agree that the term is derogatory.
Edited on Thu Jul-14-11 02:42 PM by Zenlitened
There is a very good reason, IMO, why the admin does not allow DUers to toss that term around themselves.

Even though it is meant to describe a small fringe of people, it's prone to misinterpretation and provokes a knee-jerk response rather than dialog.

So I think the DU admins were wise to ban it.

But I would have expected genuine supporters of Pres. Obama to shrug it off more easily in this case, considering it comes from a source (Hamsher) so poorly regarded in the first place.



edit typo
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:27 PM
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14. Let me guess...
you're one of those Professional Leftists aren't you?

:rofl:

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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:39 PM
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36. Yes, and I am still waiting for my first check. nm
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:27 PM
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16. Lol at people getting offended by this.
Edited on Thu Jul-14-11 02:27 PM by krabigirl
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:33 PM
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18. +1
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:35 PM
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21. I'm laughing
at the thought that anyone would try to defend this idiot.

Do you agree with her comments?



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Safetykitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:37 PM
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27. It's a comedy extravaganza with the June Taylor dancers.
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Lisa D Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:42 PM
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42. I know! This is as hilarious as when Rahm called
out the "professional left". Of course, no one here ever mentions that anymore.

OMG, I can stop laughing. :sarcasm:
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:36 PM
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24. I don't think she has an ounce of credibility. Why is she or her hateful site
even mentioned here? She's an irrelevant racist liar who supported McCain for the general in '08. She's irrelevant. Republicans pay her to stir shit!
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:37 PM
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25. I'm not and they don't. But, they seem to have struck a delicate nerve on some here.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:40 PM
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39. agreed...and given that she is a tool of republicons hell-bent on electing sarah plain prez
Edited on Thu Jul-14-11 02:41 PM by noiretextatique
as some claim here, why do they care so much?
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:37 PM
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28. jane is teh sweet bebe jesus.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:37 PM
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29. The "extreme fringe"

Yeah.... it's surprising that Michelle and the kids don't just move out.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:42 PM
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41. If someone disagrees with me on an issue, it doesn't mean they are a dumb motherfucker.
Many DU members that are extremely ardent Obama supporters are otherwise usually very perceptive and intelligent.

Referring to them as "obamabots" and "dumbest motherfuckers" is not only offensive to me, it is just plain erroneous.

It is conservatives that are, without question, the absolute dumbest motherfuckers in the world.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:43 PM
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44. Many are offended by her ugly metamorphosis...
Edited on Thu Jul-14-11 02:44 PM by JuniperLea
Naughty words or not, I can't stand her.

That she is blowing her wad so early in the game is very telling, though. Desperation makes her all the more vile apparently.

I'm not offended, just amused.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:44 PM
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48. It was rude, and unproductive to the LIBERAL CAUSE
regardless of where I am on the Liberal Side, she injured me and my Cause.
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:45 PM
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51. Locking
Please do not start threads to call out and attack other members.

Thanks,

cbayer
DU Moderaotr
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