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Derechos Donating Member (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 08:10 PM
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He’s Just Not That Into You - Krugman
Edited on Mon Jul-11-11 08:13 PM by Derechos
Where by “he” I mean Obama, and by “you” I mean Democrats, and everything they stand for:

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Terrible policy (Medicare Saves Money -http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/13/opinion/13krugman.htm... ), disastrous politics. Perfect!

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/11/hes-just-no...
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 08:17 PM
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1. Krugman is humorless and politically tone-deaf. I have met him socially, so I do know this.
Edited on Mon Jul-11-11 08:18 PM by ClarkUSA
Tomorrow, I'm going to email him a transcript of tonight's Lawrence O'Donnell Show, wherein the former Chief of Staff to Tip O'Neill explains why "What you are seeing is the most masterful rope a dope ever performed by a President against an opposition party in Congress."

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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 08:33 PM
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4. I'd have paid to see that.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 09:41 PM
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8. +1. n/t
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 08:37 PM
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6. Yeah, we heard all of the rope-a-dope bullshit last year
when the far right delivers another historical ass-kicking next year, you'll again blame it on real Dems for not playing along with all of this horse shit.

While the president is engaging in "masterful rope-a-dope", martial law is being implemented in MI, the right to vote is being crushed in WI, MI, PA, ME, FL, birth control is being defunded in most states, labor unions are being outlawed in most states, public schools are being dismantled almost everywhere, and the president is preparing to join the chorus of voices calling for Medicare and SS to be phased out.

While the 12-dimensional chess may be going well, down here in the first 3 dimensions his leadership is fail
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bottomofthehill Donating Member (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 09:32 PM
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7. Tip's former Chief of staff....
Who is that
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 02:18 PM
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32. Most liberals are watching Current TV @ 8 pm...
so that explains this guys obscurity. ;)
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 10:00 PM
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9. I'm skeptical
This whole Obama is a master at 3D chess thing seems to be over rated by those who wish to believe but have not real evidence for which to base that opinion.
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Fool Count Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 01:21 AM
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23. He may be that, but his most masterful 3D chess move was
pretending to be a progressive democrat and getting into the White House
on that false pretense. It is a simple tic-tac-toe from there.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 10:17 PM
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11. ad hominum attack
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 10:25 PM
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12. For an economist, he has a pretty good sense of humor. As for you meeting him socially
He probably couldn't wait to get away.
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 10:34 PM
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13. Krugman is neither a PR grunt, or a humorist.
I don't care if he is humorless. I get my humor from Comedy Central.
What if the fucking TRUTH is politically "tone deaf"?
Krugman aint no yes-man. He aint no stooge.

I'm listening to every word.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 04:39 PM
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37. word.
:thumbsup:
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 10:35 PM
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14. Good idea, he's behind the 8 ball on this nt
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Creideiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 10:40 PM
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15. You mean Tip O'Neill the sitting Speaker who got ousted, right?
Ummmm....

Might not be the best guy to make your point.
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bottomofthehill Donating Member (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 11:01 PM
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18. Tip Oneill retired in 1986
During his 10 years he did more for the middle class and working class than anyone i can think of. He is exactly the kind of person we need at a time like this.
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bottomofthehill Donating Member (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 11:06 PM
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20. More on Speaker Thomas P. O'Neill
O'Neill at odds with President Ronald ReaganO'Neill was a leading opponent of the Reagan administration's domestic and defense policies. Following the 1980 election, with the U.S. Senate in Republican hands, O'Neill became the leader of the congressional opposition. O'Neill called Reagan the most ignorant man who had ever occupied the White House.<8> O'Neill also said that Reagan was "Herbert Hoover with a smile" and "a cheerleader for selfishness." He also said that Reagan's policies meant that his presidency was "one big Christmas party for the rich." Privately, O'Neill and Reagan were always on cordial terms, or as Reagan himself put it in his memoirs, they were friends "after 6PM." O'Neill in that same memoir when questioned by Reagan regarding a personal attack against the President that made the paper, explained that "before 6PM it's all politics."<9> Reagan once compared O'Neill to the then-popular arcade game Pac-Man in a speech, saying that he was "a round thing that gobbles up money". He also once joked he had received a valentine card from O'Neill: "I knew it was from Tip, because the heart was bleeding."

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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 10:54 PM
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16. It's so amazing! No Rope and All Dope. 100% Dope.
He was the Dope candidate. Gotcha.

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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 11:03 PM
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19. He's got a dry sense of humor, which goes over many folks' heads.
Edited on Mon Jul-11-11 11:06 PM by WorseBeforeBetter
Like yours, evidently.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 12:57 AM
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22. What does any of that have to do with the article?
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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 06:27 AM
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27. Not a thing
but we all now know who has met Krugman socially. I know I got tingly hearing it.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 12:51 PM
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31. I am fanning myself even as I type this! n/t
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 01:41 AM
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24. I certainly hope you're willing to discuss this prediction after the deal is made.
Edited on Tue Jul-12-11 01:49 AM by Marr
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 02:12 AM
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26. fail.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 12:46 PM
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28. The "Rope-a-Dope" only works if it is followed by a Knock Out Punch.
So far, thats the only part Obama hasn't delivered yet.

I watched O'Donnel's lengthy presentation Step by Step with intense fascination,
but I can reduce it to just one step:
Obama is winning politically by adopting the Republican's positions,
leaving them no place to go.

:party:

This is wonderful for "Centrist" politics,
but very, VERY bad for the Working Class & The Poor.

...but if it gets Obama a political "WIN",
what do the lives of a few millions of Working Class & Poor people matter? :shrug:




Who will STAND and FIGHT for THIS American Majority?
You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.


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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 12:51 PM
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29. You have met Krugman socially,
and judge him to be "humorless and politically tone-deaf"?

Well, the next time I talk to him,
I'll ask him what he thinks about you.
:party:


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JackDragna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 12:51 PM
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30. Wow. Way to prove a point by using ad hominem.
When Ali used the "Rope-a-Dope," it earned him something in the end: a tired, worn-out George Foreman. I'd be just tickled pink to have you explain to me exactly what benefit we're all going to get out of this. You know, like the amazing Rope-a-Dope that Obama performed that got us a public option and stopped the Bush-era tax cuts and..oh, wait..
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 02:54 PM
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33. Rope-a-dope is the perfect analogy.
There's nothing at stake for the fighters other than winning re-election. Let your constituents take as many body blows as is strategically useful.

We'll always vote for the lesser of two evils so we don't matter.

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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 04:22 PM
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35. Wow, justification of an ad hominem via an argument to authority
Edited on Tue Jul-12-11 04:23 PM by liberation
In order to compose a red herring. Fallacy trifecta, and that was on the title alone!

LOL.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 04:31 PM
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36. ...
:evilgrin:
:rofl:
:toast:
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Baby Bear Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 04:42 PM
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38. He has the cool clear eyes of a seeker of wisdom and truth.
I believe in Paul Krugman.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:04 PM
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39. Obama is politically tone deaf and he'll pay for it in 2012
Edited on Tue Jul-12-11 07:05 PM by nashville_brook
when he signs on to this shit.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:17 PM
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40. lol - and under the bus goes Mr. Krugman. Is there anyone left standing at this point? nt
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:35 PM
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41. I saw that and I can't wait till it happens and people on here have to eat their words.
It was amazing. Like a chess game that Obama has been playing all along with everyone, EVERYONE, in the dark about it.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 08:20 PM
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2. O.K., the obvious question
If Medicare is so much better than private insurance, why didn’t the Affordable Care Act simply extend Medicare to cover everyone? The answer, of course, was interest-group politics: realistically, given the insurance industry’s power, Medicare for all wasn’t going to pass, so advocates of universal coverage, myself included, were willing to settle for half a loaf. But the fact that it seemed politically necessary to accept a second-best solution for younger Americans is no reason to start dismantling the superior system we already have for those 65 and over.

Now, none of what I have said should be taken as a reason to be complacent about rising health care costs. Both Medicare and private insurance will be unsustainable unless there are major cost-control efforts — the kinds of efforts that are actually in the Affordable Care Act, and which Republicans demagogued with cries of “death panels.”

The point, however, is that privatizing health insurance for seniors, which is what Mr. Lieberman is in effect proposing — and which is the essence of the G.O.P. plan — hurts rather than helps the cause of cost control. If we really want to hold down costs, we should be seeking to offer Medicare-type programs to as many Americans as possible.



K&R
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The Big Vetolski Donating Member (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 08:26 PM
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3. Well said, because for-profit medicine is INEFFICIENT. Efficient
medicine costs less, and therefore generates less profit. Which is why the Canadian system, the Cuban system, and the British system(just to name three of dozens) are so much more efficient than our current capitalistic medical delivery system.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 08:36 PM
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5. K & R n/t
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 10:13 PM
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10. Thank you Dr. Krugman. k&r
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 10:58 PM
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17. Well,
a little bit now and then, but who's keeping track?

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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 12:54 AM
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21. Recommended
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Cereal Kyller Donating Member (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 02:04 AM
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25. K.R. KR!
Kicked. Recced. Krugman Rocks!
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:42 PM
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42. there was a thread about Galbraith
and now Krugman. Stiglitz, Krugman, Galbraith, all good economists, I'm thinking the hill is tone deaf.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:49 PM
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34. Recommend
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