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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:22 PM
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I told my sister and her husband before the election in 2008 that,
Edited on Mon Jul-11-11 04:23 PM by Hubert Flottz
"I'm afraid that if Obama is elected he will cut social security and medicare" and they told me then, that I was crazy. Today they called me and said they were sorry they both argued that I was wrong in 2008. They are not any happier than I am that I was right. They spent hours on the phone and going to rally after rally searching for votes for Mr. Obama. Hauled people out to vote on election day in 2008. They are heartbroken and demoralized. I am too.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:23 PM
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1. I think 2012 will be a low turn out election--which could be bad news
for Democrats
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:25 PM
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2. we have to get out to vote so that we may get Congress back
ask the people in Wisconsin how they feel.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:27 PM
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4. Bad news for Dems? Maybe. Ugly news for the American people? Definitely.
Edited on Mon Jul-11-11 04:28 PM by CakeGrrl
Low turnout favors R's, on record with actually, FOR REAL wanting to do away with SS and Medicare and keeping money in the pockets of the rich.

If people are fooled again into defaulting it to the Repubs, it could be the last time for some who are already on the brink.

People need to take Republican control away from the House. That's where this will all start.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:28 PM
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6. I think it might too and the demoCONs will have nobody to blame but themselves.
I hate to see the country go belly up, but touching the "Third Rail" is something that will destroy Obama's shot at another term. I don't think enough republicans will vote for Obama to elect him in 2012 and it seems like the GOP is the only folks Obama is worried about taking care of.
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:44 PM
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13. After 2010 anyone who doesn't vote in 2012 is the lowest common denominator in my opinion. /nt
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Wait Wut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 06:03 PM
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69. Anyone who didn't vote in '10...
...is already the lowest common denominator. They're the ones we can blame for what's happening today. The "Wahhhh...I don't like this so I'm not playin'" attitude is nauseating.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:58 PM
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26. Not only that, but the old argument won't work, the hope and change didn't change much 4 the better.
Edited on Mon Jul-11-11 05:01 PM by Major Hogwash
Doesn't matter that he tried, we need results.
That "beer summit" he held in 2009 was a sign of how disconnected he really was to the situation in the rest of the country.

There's no way to generate the enthusiasm next year like we did in 2008 because we were up against the BFEE and McCain back then.
But now, after 3 years of broken promises and a series of unpopular compromises, we are screwed.

This "wishy washy" bullshit of always talking about giving away any of the advantages of having a safety net in this country, that we worked for as a party for over 75 years, is totally asinine.

The unions aren't going to be as energized.
The teachers unions have been dismantled.
And yet, Obama acts like it is sunny days ahead while talking about balancing the budget on grandma's back!!

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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 12:54 AM
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44. Obama will lose greater than Jimmy Carter
In fact, I predict he loses greater than any sitting President in the last 100 years. He is an absolute fool.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:25 PM
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3. Yep - It isn't like he didn't let us know he thought the
Boomers (middle class) were the problem - not the Republicans. And, Ronald Reagan was his hero.

Everyone dismissed it as primary talk and didn't realize he was speaking from his heart.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:50 PM
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16. reagan raised taxes 11 times in 8 years.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:56 PM
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22. That is the part about Transformative Reagan he is ignoring.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:28 PM
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5. Ah, but what would this country looked like under McCain and Palin?
Or better yet, now that we have Obama, what will it look like under President Bachmann?


Jus' something to think about!
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:30 PM
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7. Believe me I've thought of little else.
But I represent one vote.
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:30 PM
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8. Actually, come to think of it, If McShrub was elected, the subject of debt and defecit would never
come up. They'd be spending and spending away and wouldn't dare piss off the elderly voters by cutting medicare or SS.
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ohheckyeah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:30 PM
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9. We could have run someone else.
Someone with a little experience and a track record so we knew what to expect. But no, it was all about rhetoric.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:46 PM
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15. and all the purty, purty speeches!
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:57 PM
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23. It was all about Branding. nt
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ohheckyeah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 01:05 AM
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47. Have to give him
credit it was great branding. Unfortunately it was political bullshit, but it worked.

I remember a discussion somewhere during the primaries when so many Democrats were all aflutter over the partisanship talk from Obama and they were asked what they were willing to compromise on to get that bipartisanship. The answer was 'nothing, Obama will talk everyone into seeing it his way.' I can only assume they believed that and it must be a terrible blow to find it isn't true.

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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:51 PM
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17. we'd probably be at war with iran.
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katnapped Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:55 PM
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21. Still time for that yet... n/t
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 04:00 PM
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63. Careful, they're talking about it again.... n/t
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:24 AM
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57. We might have a Democratic opposition,
Edited on Tue Jul-12-11 08:25 AM by woo me with science
instead of a bunch of apologists.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:38 PM
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10. .........
:popcorn:
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:39 PM
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11. When did he cut Social Security and Medicare?
Did I miss the announcement?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:51 PM
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:54 PM
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20. I think the media and sadly the DU meme is ....
Let's claim Obama cut Social Security over and over ... so that, sadly, those who don't pay attention will think it actually happened.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 11:30 PM
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30. He's working on it...
Keep watching.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:43 PM
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12. My hubbie warned me not to get too optimistic about his election
I told him then that if Obama wasn't the good guy that i believed him to be then we are in deep doo-doo that will take generations to fix.

We are in seriously deep doo-doo.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:46 PM
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14. Why are you lying to your sister and her husband?
That's not very nice.

Obama hasn't cut SS and medicare.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 11:28 PM
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29. They called me and were telling me what they'd read and heard
on the news shows and in Obama's speeches on TV. They aren't fooled by the stupid lie that there is no inflation in America.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:53 PM
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:58 PM
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24. And yet it has 11 recs. Why DU? Why?
DU used to pride itself on accuracy. I wish we could go back to that standard.
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October Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:45 AM
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59. I think the DU needs a new tab for "Dems against Dems" or something
Every thread runs longer than the next with these drawn out redundant statements and conversations -- making the thread seem to be "on fire."

Any "news" thread is quickly inundated with negative opinions, conjecture, and speculation. Even typically democratic-themed threads on unionism or women's rights turn quickly to in-fighting as antagonists swarm here.

I've learned to ignore (not using the feature) and quickly move on to find the 'meat' of the subject and facts...but it is becoming more of a challenge.

I feel baited on every thread, and that seems to be purposeful to divide us.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:58 PM
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25. He cut SS collections.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 11:53 PM
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37. He cut out cost of living raises and the government is lying about
the cost of living going sky high.

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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 12:29 AM
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39. now that IS pure Republican spin
as I wrote way back when

Feb. 8 - Got a call from Congresswoman Jenkins today, a telephone town hall. I noticed that when one caller asked about a COLA for social security that Jenkins blamed that on Obama. In fact the COLAs are set automatically by a law passed in 1983. There were at least three bills to provide a COLA - HR 3536, HR 3672, and HR 4429, but Jenkins did not co-sponsor any of them.

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 12:43 AM
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42. He said that there would be no COLA raises because there was no inflation.
that is a lie!
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Creideiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 06:58 AM
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51. Technically inflation is still low
For now. Until interest rates jump.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:07 AM
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52. happens to be true for the way inflation is traditionally measured for the COLA
Wasn't because of anything Obama said or did. Just another "happy accident" from the Bush trashing of the economy.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:19 AM
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56. Just another politician lying to cover his ass when Obama goes along
with the lies the republicans dreamed up to rip old folks off instead of doing something about it.

Have you been to the grocery store lately?
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 11:32 PM
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31. You are the one who is out of line.
You should go read the god damned TOS.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 11:48 PM
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35. I never imagined a thing.
Edited on Tue Jul-12-11 12:05 AM by Hubert Flottz
Show me where I lied.

edit to add...http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Right after the speech today was when my phone rang. I'm just the messenger. When the DNC goes to Summers County West Virginia next time to panhandle for cash or to beg for votes they will find out that the seniors up there are pissed off. BTW, this old codger ain't real happy either.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 05:12 PM
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28. Kanye, is that you?

Come on.... Barack Obama hates old people.

I hope you sent your relatives some MRE's and bottled water to get by on for the time being.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 11:45 PM
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34. Nope it's me.
I don't know if he hates old people or not, but he's lying when he says theres no inflation. Food has gone up, medicine has gone up, utilities, gasoline and the cost of living has gone up. Just because people get old don't mean they get stupid. The DLC will find out in 2012 I'm afraid.

So no COLA raises means that the old folks have already been lied to and ripped off. The people at the White House just got a cost of living raise. Is the White House the only place that the cost of living has gone up. So what will the government steal from the seniors next? Keep in mind that the seniors paid into these programs all their working lives.
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 11:39 PM
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33. I had originally supported Bill Richardson
Wonder where we would be now if he had won.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 11:51 PM
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36. We all knew the retirement age was going to be raised for SS, right? No matter who the
President was, we could see that coming. Either that or benefits being cut, but hopefully not both.

But it's the Medicare cuts that are surprising, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE STILL HAVE THAT COSTLY PROVISION IN MEDICARE ACT THAT PREVENTS US FROM NEGOTIATING PHARMACEUTICAL PRICES. That was a windfall for big pharm. Big pharma paid for it. It's time to get rid of that, which would save the program tons of $$$$.

Also, it looks bad, IMO, promising to cut SS in talks regarding the deficit, since Social Security has nothing to do with the deficit.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 11:53 PM
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38. Why don't you wait for Obama to actually cut Medicare before you make this silly post?
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 12:39 AM
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41. Silly to believe that the cost of living hasn't gone up.
Edited on Tue Jul-12-11 12:53 AM by Hubert Flottz
Silly to support people who use senior citizen's livelihoods as political bait to make backroom deals with republican extortionists.

Why can't these secret meetings be out in the open? Silly to think that every time the FED prints more cash with nothing to back it up, to pay for elective warfare, tax cuts for the wealthy and Wall Street and world bank bailouts, that it doesn't push the cost of living higher.

Edit to add you a link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 12:49 AM
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43. I work private sector, and I haven't had a raise, cola or other wise,since 2008.
Times is tough.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 06:32 AM
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49. I'm doing just fine, thanks.
There are a lot of places that haven't given out raises in the last couple of years. Maybe you haven't notices that the economy is such shit. You're probably a trust fund kid.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:14 AM
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53. You seem to know it all, I don't understand why you're not a CEO by now.
I'm about as close to being a trust fund kid as I am to being the fuckin' pope. I grew up in a West Virginia coal camp. My Dad died wanting to know if I was getting his Social Security claim sorted out because the SS doctors under Reagan had determined that even though he was dying from stage four lung cancer, that he was able to go back to work the following monday morning at nonUnion Carbide. A few days before he died I had to lie to him and tell him has lawyer was getting things squared away. I lied to my Dad so he wouldn't die from heart failure worrying about his SSD appeal, that was still laying on his lawyer's desk. The doctors knew he was upset about it and advised me to tell him everything was okay.

Think about looking your dying parent in the eyes and lying to him, trying to undo the damage and wreckage of his life, so that the truth wouldn't take what few days he had left away from him, like Reagan had taken his maybe one or two disability checks. Three weeks after his SSD claim was turned down he was dead. So SS saved the money he'd paid in for 40 years.

A man didn't need a lawyer to get his Social Security Disability, if he was too sick to work, until Reagan stepped in and fucked that up.

So now Mr. know it all, you know a bit more.

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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:49 AM
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60. Hubert, if you're going to play the " you don't know me!!!!!" card, you shouldn't do it....
.....after saying that my performance was the reason there have been no raises in my industry.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 04:30 PM
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64. So really all you've got is more personal attacks...
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 06:48 PM
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71. As long as you understand your hypocrisy.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 06:55 PM
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72. "trust fund kid"
Edited on Tue Jul-12-11 06:59 PM by Hubert Flottz
"your hypocrisy"

Is that all you have? More personal attacks and name calling?

Good Bye Joe Me Gotta' Go. No time for you anymore.
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 12:32 AM
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40. I should have voted for a door knob
A door knob would have been less destructive
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 12:58 AM
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46. You still can!
2012. At least you will be able to sleep at night.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 01:21 AM
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48. In 2006 my niece asked me what I thought of Obama.
I had never talked politics with her before. She seemed kind of enthused about him.

I told her that at first I thought he was pretty cool but then it seemed like he did some things that weren't very progressive so I'd have to wait for more evidence to know what his politics really are.

It's now halfway through 2011 and I'm still waiting...
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Creideiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 06:54 AM
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50. Find a local (city, county, state) person to get behind
And make sure everyone knows to get there for the people that will help us.

I'm losing my state rep to a Congressional run, but I can support him in that wholeheartedly. He's possibly the best state rep in Colorado.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:16 AM
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55. cool story bro.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:33 AM
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58. I wish it wasn't so.
Edited on Tue Jul-12-11 08:42 AM by Hubert Flottz
I finally came to trust Obama. I know how let down people feel, because yesterday wasn't the first time I'd heard lifelong democrats express the same disgust, that I heard on the phone yesterday. It's kind of like global warming the way I see it. The chances of fixing the economy or the environment get slimmer with each passing backroom deal with political extortionists. Is fake bipartisanship more important than this country? Are our debts abroad more important that our debts to our own elderly people? Did the old people lie to start the war in Iraq? Is it the old people's call to keep spending 4 billion a week in Iraq and Afghanistan? Did the old people raid the Social Security "TRUST" fund? Did the old people have a choice about paying into the SS "TRUST" fund? Why should the old people be the ones to suffer?

EDIT...I will vote for Obama AGAIN...I have no other sane choice. But unless he lays off of the seniors and stands uo to these republican gangsters it will make me sick to my stomach to support the man.

Try treating your lung cancer with Halls Cough Drops like my Dad did sometime.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 01:19 PM
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62. When were those cuts made? What did I miss?
Edification, please.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 04:32 PM
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65. Stick around a while and he will make the cuts he promised he would
on TV yesterday.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 04:53 PM
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66. How much did you pay for your crystal ball?
Good morning! I say what a joy it is to look ahead and show you the signs of your future. So much happiness is in store for you the most brilliantly lighted stars are put to shame by the brightness of your light! Oh, happiness what an elusive thing you are, but thank GOD you were born beneath this star!

Drop another coin in the slot and I will tell you more!




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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 05:05 PM
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67. 60 years is what I've paid so far.
How much did you pay for yours? You might want to turn the antenna on yours I think your reception is a tad grainy.

Those claw feet do kind of look like mine.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 05:54 PM
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68. So you have a few years on me...
Doesn't make you right.

It's panning out just as I said... stay tuned.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 06:30 PM
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70. I hope your right!
I really do!
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