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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 12:06 AM
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"I'm a Democrat. I came to Congress to protect Social Security & Medicare, not dismantle it."
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 12:08 AM
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1. They all need to say that in unison.
What a message that would be.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 12:10 AM
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2. yes but that might make republicans sad, you know republicans, bipartisanship and all that lol nt
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 08:58 PM
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54. or make them so mad blow gaskets on CNN and Fox. eeek! ~nt
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 12:13 AM
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3. Purist.
K&R.

:toast:
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SusanaMontana41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 04:42 PM
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75. No kidding. heh
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 12:21 AM
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4. You know how Republicans like to gather on the Capitol steps and take pledges and shit?
Wouldn't this be a worthwhile cause for Democrats to haul themselves into the sunlight, assemble in front of cameras and raise their right hands and swear never to abandon?

Would that be too hokey?

Hokey or not, with all the shenanigans going on lately, I'd feel a lot better if the whole Democratic Caucus, House and Senate, would commit themselves in public to a statement like McGovern's. I think the leadership could show some leader like qualities, and validate the trust placed in them by arranging such a demonstration and by strongly encouraging the participation of all caucus members.
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katnapped Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 04:17 PM
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31. Like the other poster said
Might make Republicans mad and stuff. Can't do that! :sarcasm:
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spedtr90 Donating Member (459 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 04:57 PM
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37. That would be awesome!
And oh so good for the party too! Obama left the Democrats out of discussions. He left them on principal. They should not follow his lead on this.
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tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 06:35 PM
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46. This is an amazing idea...
one I could get behind! :)
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 12:24 AM
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5. Try asking seniors to vote for a Democrat who is willing to sacrifice them
for bipartisanship.
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 12:38 AM
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6. It would be nice to have someone in the administration say it too - daily, in the news
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 06:07 AM
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12. I wonder whoooooo! (Sing it!)
Edited on Sun Jul-10-11 06:07 AM by WinkyDink
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 12:41 AM
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7. Then be realistic about what the ridiculous debt does to our confidence in this program.
You want me to believe that I will see a penny of my money that I put into social security? Then give me a balanced budget and start paying down the debt like Bill Clinton did. We all need to suck it up and pay more. Get rid of all the Bush cuts...all of them. Then maybe I will half believe you are serious about protecting more than today's recipients.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 03:27 AM
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8. 'We all need to suck it up and pay more.'
Millionaires first, thank you.
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 03:56 PM
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26. Millionaires and the Military ...
... the House just passed a $659 BILLION miltary budget this week. Cut that fucker in half, and eliminate even just the tax breaks for the Top ONE percent, and the rest of the domestic programs likely won't need to be touched.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 08:48 PM
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52. Affirmed (NT)
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 04:15 PM
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30. That attitude makes me ill.
Millionaires first my eyeball. That won't cut it I've looked at the numbers.

Do you honestly think I would be so enthused about paying more in taxes if I hadn't seen it is necessary?

I get no tax breaks...none. No kids no itemized deductions and single. I am already paying more than my fair share and I am the one saying I know I will have to pay more.

I want a government that works, that is sustainable, that makes sense and I'm not getting it. So please don't sell me the fairy tale of social security because I know what it takes to make it happen and I don't see it. It's just a freaking regressive tax until we shape up our budget.
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 09:59 PM
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58. so you're calling Bernie Sanders a liar. He says it currently has a $2.6 TRILLION
surplus, he tweeted it
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 10:42 PM
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60. Owed by the general account. We already spent that money.
Bernie Sanders knows we didnt do anything good with those funds. We didn't buy gold or any hard asset that we can sell to recoup the funds. You owe that $2.6 trillion to the social security fund. If you recognize that as a hard and fast obligation then that is YOUR debt.
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xphile Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 11:12 PM
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66. So what? Just because politicians didn't spend the money they borrowed from the trust fund
well doesn't mean they should be able to decide not to pay it back.

WTF kind of logic is that?
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 11:16 AM
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69. The politicians dont owe that, YOU do. Geez Louise.
You owe yourself the money. Don't you get it?
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 10:57 PM
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61. The middle class and poor have already paid for the banks' fraud
Edited on Sun Jul-10-11 10:57 PM by JDPriestly
in the loss of their jobs, value in their 401(K)s, low interest on their savings (if they are lucky enough to have any at all) and loss in the value of their homes as well as loss of pensions through leveraged buyouts that benefit the rich.

Look at the disparity in the incomes of the rich and poor and you will see who has benefited and who has lost in the economic and technological changes of the past 30 years (since Reagan). The reason we should start with the millionaires is that they have not yet paid their share of the failure of a succession of administrations to regulate the banks and watch out for ordinary Americans.

It's the millionaires' turn now. They need to pay now. The poor and middle class have already lost their share of wealth.
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xphile Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 11:08 PM
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65. Yes you've made it abundantly clear that your sympathies lie with the wealthy.
It must be so difficult trying to spend all that extra untaxed income.

Your attitude makes me ill.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 07:05 PM
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47. K&R
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white_wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 03:51 AM
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9. The we that will be hurt by these cuts, the working class has paid more than enough.
Don't tell me the working class needs to suck it up and pay more. They've paid more than enough for a crisis they had nothing to do with. The rich can start paying. They caused this mess let's make them fix it. I'm sick of this "shared sacrifice" bullshit the working class in America and the world have sacrificed more than enough. It's time for the rich bastards who caused this mess to sacrifice to fix their mess, everything they own if required.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 04:32 AM
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10. THANK YOU
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life long demo Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 12:07 PM
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18. Amen to that
Every Democratic politician from the President down should stand up and say as McGovern said, I'm a Democratic and I am not going to cut Social Security or Medicare. We are not going to dismantle all of the protections for our citizens that have been put in place over the years. Never.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 04:25 PM
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32. You do realize that taxes on the working class have gone down significantly right?
No one is paying the share they did when Bill Clinton was around. Not the rich, nor the middle class either. Not even the poor. That was what it takes to get a balanced budget and nothing less will work.
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white_wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 05:31 PM
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40. You don't worry about deficits in the middle of a recession.
You need to spend money to get the economy going again. Taxes need to be raised on the wealthy, the MIC needs to be dismantled, and we need to use that money to fund job programs to rebuild our infrastructure.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 10:35 PM
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59. Pah you don't raise any taxes in the middle of a recession...
Edited on Sun Jul-10-11 10:38 PM by dkf
Any disincentive to spend is not good if that is the orthodoxy you want to follow.

Raising taxes on the rich isn't meant to be a stimulus, it's meant for deficit reduction, just like raising taxes on everyone else. And these taxes won't be raised for 1 1/2 years, nobody is talking about raising taxes this month.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 11:02 PM
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63. Approximately 1/3 of Obama's stimulus was tax cuts.
Before that, Bush tried to stimulate the economy through tax cuts.

Tax cuts improve the economy temporarily. You get a boom but it is always followed by a bust -- unless the basic imbalance between the wealth of the upper and lower percentages of the population in the economy in terms of wealth is brought into balance.

Increasing taxes on the rich to help balance the disparity in wages and wealth would help get our economy going for the long term again.

You can say whatever you want. But if you want a healthy economy, you will agree with me. If you follow the conservative economic theories, you will end up with an economy that gets worse and worse until it just breaks down. We have been here and seen this progression before.

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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 06:44 PM
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70. I am & others here did, it's just our "leaders" that are not being serious
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Citizen Worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 06:28 AM
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14. Excuse me, but Social Security and Medicare have absolutely NOTHING at all to do with the budget
deficit. Both programs are self sustaining and will continue to be until at least 2037.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 02:37 AM
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67. Thank you. Enough of this right wing bullshit that these programs are part of the "deficit"
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 03:10 PM
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20. Before we get rid of "all" the Bush tax cuts
lets apply the FICA tax to "All" income.

Can we START from a more even playing field, please? You moved the middle to the right and pretended you've split the distance.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 11:03 PM
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64. A good alternative, demwing.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 03:19 PM
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24. While we're still wasting 100s of billions a year on lost wars, I refuse to see New Deal knifed
Edited on Sun Jul-10-11 03:23 PM by kenny blankenship
I refuse to put Medicare on the chopping block while the "Defense" Dept is getting 650,000,000,000 a year in taxpayer's money*. It's OBSCENE, and any "Democrat" that goes along with that is my enemy.

*that's not including hundreds of billions more in weapons spending hidden under Dept of Energy budgets and VA expenses.
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 08:20 PM
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51. What you said - ditto for me.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 02:54 AM
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68. Well at least there's one.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 06:03 AM
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11. We need a list of all Dems who REFUSE to touch Medicare and SS, and then we need to...
WRITE THANKING THEM!
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 06:21 AM
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13. K + R
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divvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 06:36 AM
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15. Careful now, he might get shit-canned like Wiener did.
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_ed_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 08:16 AM
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16. I guess he just wants his pony
.
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 11:11 AM
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17. k & r...nt
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 03:08 PM
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19. Woohoo! Recommend, Recommend. Woohoo!
:kick:
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 03:13 PM
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21. Wow! Now that is a Democrat!
Thank you, Rep McGovern, and Bluebear for bringing this to our attention.

K&R
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 03:13 PM
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22. Sounds nicer to me than ''I came to Washington to drown government in a bathtub.''
Which is what, We the People?
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 03:15 PM
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23. Progressives are the REAL Pragmatists
What FDR did was as pragmatic as it comes.
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pam4water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 03:42 PM
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25. K&R
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 03:58 PM
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27. K&R! nt
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 04:11 PM
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28. See how easy it is to pronounce those words
when you mean them?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 04:14 PM
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29. Deleted message
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garthranzz Donating Member (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 04:41 PM
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33. NOT GOOD ENOUGH!
OBAMA NEEDS TO SAY IT!!
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 04:47 PM
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34. Whoa. Somebody's not gonna get the president campaigning for him.
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 04:52 PM
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35. Why did only 70 dems sign it ?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 04:52 PM
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36. Cheers to a Democrat who respects safety nets -- !!
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 05:08 PM
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38. I hope they ALL start using that mantra. Because it's TRUE. There will be hell to pay...
for any Democrats who sacrifice the security of our seniors, disabled, and most vulnerable on the alter of tax cuts for the wealthy, all in the name of helping the economy "grow." That's bull. And there will be hell to pay for the Democrats who allow it. (I mean "hell" in the sense of verbal and written anger directed toward them, and huge numbers of lost votes.)

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Liberalynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 05:12 PM
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39. Cheers to him
Edited on Sun Jul-10-11 05:13 PM by Liberalynn
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dan shays Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 05:38 PM
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41. A voice from the home of the real tea party!
McGovern's comment makes me proud to be living in Massachusetts......however some folks here apparently voted for Scott Brown. :/
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 05:55 PM
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42. This fella says, "I'm a democrat." as if he believes it actually means something.
Yes, yes it does. Being a democrat means something which is far different than being a republican.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 05:57 PM
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43. Too bad the President wont come out and say this
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jtuck004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 06:22 PM
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44. That's what I vote for. Thank you! K&R n/t
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 06:32 PM
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45. Someone should introduce that dude to Pres. Obama. nt
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 07:11 PM
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48. Is he related to the first presidential candidate I ever voted for?
George McGovern? God, I wish we had more like him!
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 07:50 PM
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49. From Wikipedia:
"In junior high school, he first became involved in politics by campaigning for Democratic U.S. Senator George McGovern (to whom he is not related) in his unsuccessful 1972 presidential bid."

So no, no relation, but a similar history to yours.

I would've voted for McGovern too if I existed back then.
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 09:06 PM
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55. Thanks for the info. You make me laugh with the
"if you existed". That was when the voting age was lowered from 21 to 18 and I was able to vote because of that. I was really excited about the McGovern campaign and about him. Sigh. My first vote, my first disappointment.
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 09:11 PM
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56. At 28, a lot of people my age probably don't know who McGovern was
But my favorite book is Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72. Hunter Thompson blamed it on the Eagleton Affair. What do you think, was it that, or was it just a pipe dream to begin with like they'd have us believe real progressive candidates are today?
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:15 PM
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71. I think it was a pipe dream, McGovern was too liberal for the masses,
but having Eagleton quoted as saying that he was the candidate for abortion, amnesty, and legalizing pot did not help matters. But then again, he was liberal. And that is why I loved him. We all did, and the young people were voting, but I think that we were the only ones (bar a few like my mom) who were enthusiastic about him.

You have to remember that at that time, we were the unwashed, amoral hippies lying in wait to shoot up little kids with drugs. And we loved him. But we were not exactly loved by mainstream America---the heartland, as it is called. So many looked at McGovern as the hippie candidate. I guess we were his "base". We probably should not have shown so much enthusiasm.

Sadly, I still believe that a true liberal will not be able to win the presidency in this country. And it seems that the pendulum has swung right now to a point where it is nigh impossible. But I still keep hoping that I am wrong. I have been pleasantly surprised in the past.
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:47 PM
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72. Well, if a fake one like Obama can win
why can't a real one? The right's already openly declaring him a Marxist, so how could it possibly be worse for someone who really is liberal?
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 09:03 PM
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73. I have a feeling that many middle of the road people
did not believe the "Marxist" label. Obama was different in that he was talking a lot in the campaign about breaking the cycle of bickering between the parties, and his demeanor seemed to show that he was the right personality to do it. IMO, the people wanted unity more than anything else. Besides, Palin was scaring the shit out of every sane person in the US and with McCain's age, she was a significant factor.

Anyways, that is how I see it. You have any opinions on it?
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 04:23 PM
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74. I think maybe someone who's focused on solutions (rather than "left or right")
but who is strong about it at the same time would do well. I mean, bipartisanship isn't why the Republicans won so many seats in 2010. I think people want strong leadership. Not necessarily being mean about it, but not giving in on everything in the name of bipartisanship either. I think rather than focusing on "liberal" or "conservative" values, we need someone that just goes with the numbers. Don't even talk about whether it's free-market capitalism or sharing the wealth, just say look, here's what works, here are the numbers, that's what we're doing, and I won't take any crap from people who won't listen to reason. I think someone like that might do surprisingly well, especially if they were never caught in a lie.
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Moostache Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 08:13 PM
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50. WWRCH?
What Would Rahmn Call Him????
Something about retards?
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 08:51 PM
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53. THANK YOU, REPRESENTATIVE MCGOVERN. nt
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 09:31 PM
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57. HUGE Kick and REC. nt
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 10:59 PM
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