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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 06:50 AM
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Obama's sell outs and why a normal person should be concerned this time around....
Edited on Sat Jul-09-11 07:13 AM by boston bean
Back Room Deal with Hospitals to kill the Public Option from the NY Times:

WASHINGTON In pursuing his proposed overhaul of the health care system, President Obama has consistently presented himself as aloof from the legislative fray, merely offering broad principles. Prominent among them is the creation of a strong, government-run insurance plan to compete with private insurers and press for lower costs.

Behind the scenes, however, Mr. Obama and his advisers have been quite active, sometimes negotiating deals with a degree of cold-eyed political realism potentially at odds with the presidents rhetoric.

Early last month, for example, hospital officials were poised to appear at the White House to announce a deal limiting their industrys share of the costs of the overhaul proposal when a wave of jitters swept through the group. Senator Max Baucus, the Finance Committee chairman and a party to the deal, had abruptly pulled out of the event. Was he backing away from his end of the deal?

Not to worry, Jim Messina, the deputy White House chief of staff, told the hospital lobbyists, according to White House officials and lobbyists briefed on the call. The White House was standing behind the deal, Mr. Messina told them, capping the industrys costs at a maximum of $155 billion over 10 years in exchange for its political support.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/13/health/policy/13healt...


Back Room Deal with Republicans to keep the Bush Tax Cuts from the Washington Post:

President Obama on Tuesday faced an uprising among angry Democrats who strongly opposed his deal with Republicans on tax cuts, opening a public rift that could prevent the White House from ending the year with a fresh dose of stimulus for the economy.

The Obama-GOP compromise would extend all the tax cuts that are set to expire Dec. 31, including for the wealthiest households; continue long-term unemployment benefits through the end of next year; give businesses a major tax break to encourage capital investment; and provide working couples as much as $4,200 in extra cash in 2011 through a one-year payroll-tax holiday.

The far-reaching package - which would add more than $900 billion to the deficit over the next two years, economists said - contains numerous other provisions, including extensions of smaller individual and business tax breaks that had been widely expected to lapse. Democrats expressed astonishment at the plan's scope and price tag, though they reluctantly conceded its potential to create jobs and boost consumer spending.

But they were furious that Obama capitulated to Republicans over the main provisions - an array of individual tax breaks signed by President George W. Bush nearly 10 years ago that have remained controversial.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...


No we are asked to believe, once again, by some, that these newspapers are not to be trusted when it comes to a possible deal with Republicans over SS, Medicare and Medicaid. Sorry folks, I heard the same sorry excuses such as...... trust Obama....... you can't believe an anonymous source....... nothing has been done yet.... you're a hater....stop being to dramatic..... who you gonna vote for...... welcome President Bachmann.......welcome President Palin..... All the same excuses that were being used during the discussions over the public option and the Bush Tax Cuts are being hurled again over SS and Medicare. And we got screwed last time, what makes anyone think this time will be any different. Everybody better believe this time around that Obama wants to cut this deal with Republicans. We need to make as much noise as we can about it.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 06:52 AM
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1. recommend
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 06:55 AM
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2. It's not so much.....
that they want you to give more time because they think that the facts are actually going to change.

They want you to give more time so they can fully form their excuses as to why this isn't really that bad, why it isn't really a sell out, and why all us ungrateful bastards can't see how wonderful Obama is to us all.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 07:00 AM
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3. there is that too.
I still see defenses about how great the extension was and how great the healthcare bill was for us ALL!
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SSDA Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 07:11 AM
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8. Health bill stinks
Can't believe we wasted a year and a half on that nonsense. Without an affordable option, like the public option, we are screwed royally!
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 06:06 AM
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27. They Said we would fix the bill after we passed it, then never talked about it again.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 07:04 AM
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4. There were no backroom deals! Prove it!
:sarcasm:
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postulater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 07:08 AM
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5. Say it aint so.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 07:10 AM
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Youth Uprising Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 07:10 AM
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7. FRINGE!!!1
Edited on Sat Jul-09-11 07:21 AM by Youth Uprising
PROVE IT!
TROLL!
RACIST!
PONY!
HATER!
You never liked him anyway! :cry:

Did I miss anything?

On a serious note, I agree with you. We need to make our voice heard NOW before it is too late.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 07:53 AM
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10. Yes, the fringiest of the fringe, I read the NYT and Post....
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 07:15 AM
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9. I agree with you
i think Obama is banking on people voting for him cause he is BARELY the lesser of two evils. And i think that will be the final mistake - in a longggg list of them - that will ensure he is only a one term president and at least 4 years of Republican horror. :(
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danbeee46 Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 08:11 AM
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11. Exactly
That is what Obama and his advisors are thinking. How can we possible vote for any of the lousy GOP candidates?
Well, they may be surprised. I can't vote for any of them but I can sure sit this one out or vote for a third party
candidate (if there is one). There comes a time when one has to say, "Enough." For me, that time will be if
Obama supports benefit reductions in Medicare, Medicaid and/or Social Security. If that means the next
president will be a Republican, then so be it. If we keep supporting Obama while he doesn't support us on
vital issues such as the Big Three mentioned above, the public option, etc, then he will never support us.
Sometimes one has to take a few steps backwards in order to move forward in the future.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 08:23 AM
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13. Obama has strong support among liberals. If you don't vote, you will be one of the few.
The reason Obama will be re-elected easily is that none of the GOP candidates has any appeal to independents.

Obama will win by a larger margin than 2008.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 10:39 AM
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14. Is that a joke? Maybe you have a different definition of liberal than I do. He has NO support with
Edited on Sat Jul-09-11 10:40 AM by slay
liberals where i live where he is considered a liar and betrayer. Just cause you say you're a liberal doesn't mean you are. Liberals are peeps like Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich. Obama is a right leaning corporate sock puppet. Maybe the so called "liberals" you know just aren't that bright - or well informed.

I have a feeling I will be among MANY liberals who refuse to vote for 4 more years of Obama's bullshit.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 11:49 PM
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23. a month ago, i would have disagreed with you ...
But I'm starting to come around to the same conclusion. :(

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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 12:00 AM
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24. I hear ya
i mean i campaigned for the guy, volunteered for him, voted for him - printed up posters - the whole deal. but i could only deny the truth for so long - it's sad and it sucks - but he's screwed us - big time. :(
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kelly1mm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 11:40 AM
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17. Great! Then he will not miss many of the votes from those here. nt
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 11:46 AM
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18. You are not paying attention.
If you read around the internet, you will notice a palatable level of anger that even surpasses what
I read here on DU. It is quite dramatic. This time it is different because they are coming after the middle class crown jewels.

You are in for quite a shock. And so is Obama and his cronies.
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newfie11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 08:22 AM
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12. yeah why is everything a secret now days
What is wrong with telling the truth and having in out in the open. GOD I hate politicians!!!!!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 10:47 AM
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 10:51 AM
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16. As the saying goes....
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice and shame on me.

I'm done being fooled by this conman.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 12:51 PM
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19. And the Pharma deal with Billy Tauzin n/t
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 09:57 PM
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20. Nice spin. Obama insisted the tax cuts be temporary
and Republicans, who control the house, refused to pass a tax cut for the middle class, alone. Health care reform was never about a "public option" as much as providing access to health care.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 10:06 PM
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21. Then it failed, utterly.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 10:11 PM
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22. What failed?
:shrug:
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 06:11 AM
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28. All he had to do was do nothing and let the bush tax cuts expire 8 months ago,
and he wouldn't have had to pretend that he has to starve grandma Millie to pay for his killing spree in the middle east.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 12:49 PM
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30. I wish that had happened
but the fear was that Republicans wouldn't support a tax cut for those who aren't millionaires. That too would have been fine by me, but with the economy needing stimulus, I understand the temporary compromise.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 09:09 PM
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32. There was no need to compromise, all he had to do was nothing and the tax rates
On the wealthy would have increased enough to negate the current need for the debt ceiling to be increased.

But Obama must have known how this would play out, and he knOws that with one phone call he could bring the troops home and end the so-called debt crisis.

This is what leads me to the conclusion he is a neo-con in dem clothing.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 09:21 PM
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33. The tax rates on everyone would have increased.
Not just the wealthy, unfortunately.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 03:56 PM
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35. But now they will increase only on the non hoarding class.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 10:51 PM
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36. I hope not.
eom
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:10 AM
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38. Any decrease in our benefits is a de-facto increase in our taxes.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 12:02 AM
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25. Did those bills pass on their own? Who provided most of the votes?
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 06:02 AM
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26. Well said, the President is working against my core values by continuing Republican policies.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 06:14 AM
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29. How well I remember.
Boston bean, thanks for the refresher. ;)

*puke* when thinking of Billy Tauzin.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 01:01 PM
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31. And this is why they reached a deal to gut Medicare and SS!
Except they didn't. And Boehner has signaled that they want to go back to the Biden talks.

So, all this Chicken Little hair-on-fire speculation has been proven to be just that.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 09:40 PM
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34. Make noise!! I agree with that!! n/t
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 11:40 PM
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37. too late to rec! once O chose the Catfood Com, then gave the FICA "temp" holiday, the die was cast
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