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peace4ever Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 11:15 PM
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If Obama doesn't fight for we the people's ENTITLEMENTS, he doesn't deserve to win.
Edited on Wed Jul-06-11 11:18 PM by peace4ever
our entitlements (which we paid for, and why they are called such) survived bush, and as long as we have a majority in one of the legislative branches, we can still fight for what is ours, and WIN.

sorry, but thats how it works, he and his advisors did NOT learn their lesson apparently in 2010, so it is time to move on, if he caves on OUR entitlements.

their only strange excuse to vote for him now is because he isn't a reTHUG is nuts.

they must think we are complete fucking idiots to think they have any hope of wining on that 'platform' while surrendering or abandoning on all others.

:argh:

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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 11:16 PM
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1. Entitlements = It's my fucking money, so give it back before I die. nt
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peace4ever Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 11:19 PM
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3. exactly
:hi:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 11:18 PM
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2. I'm nuts, then. But not nuts enough to let someone take over
who will make Obama's capitulation look like warfare.
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peace4ever Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 11:32 PM
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4. he is only one man, and a pretty ineffective one at that when it comes to fighting for democratic
principals, imo.

but hey, thats why we have elections, so we can all have our say.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:07 AM
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16. But I don't want someone in the Oval Office who's very
effective fighting for REPUBLICAN principals.
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peace4ever Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:11 AM
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20. likewise
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 11:36 PM
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5. He doesn't "deserve" to win?
really??? is this what you base your vote on? The person who you feel "deserves" to win? Personally, I vote for the person who I think will do the best for my Country, my State, my County, or Township. I don't keep a scorecard and tally up who I think deserves a win.. that seems to me to be ludicrous. I vote for the person who I think will best serve in that office. Voting is more than a right, it is a civic obligation... and it is our responsibility to vote for the person in each particular contest that we think is best. Or to vote on issues in a way that we think is best.

I think it is time for us to stop thinking about people "earning" our vote or "deserving" our vote and start looking at our personal civic duty to inform ourselves on the choices and make them. That is the absolute least we should do... to be an active civic participant.. you have to actively participate.... by volunteering in your local community, serving on boards, being involved in your local party, being an activist, becoming part of your local democratic party, running for central committee/precinct chair, become involved in your State party.... start effecting change by action...
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peace4ever Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 11:39 PM
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6. absolutely
Edited on Wed Jul-06-11 11:57 PM by peace4ever
they have to EARN my vote.

i do, do my civic duty, one of which is to VOTE, which ENTITLES me to COMPLAIN and withhold my vote for a particular person and give it to another one when I am not satisfied with the results.

that in and of itself effects CHANGE.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 11:44 PM
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8. Withholding votes doesn't do shit.
You only get CHANGE when you vote for somebody.

Doing nothing and hoping something fills the void is asinine.
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peace4ever Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 11:45 PM
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9. no one said anything about withholding votes
only you
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 11:57 PM
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12. We'll withhold our votes from Obama and vote for a REAL Democrat
anytime we damned well please. It WILL teach him an expensive lesson.

He's messing with the third rail.
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peace4ever Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 11:59 PM
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14. exactly - time for a write-in candidate if necessary
our voices MUST be heard, too, and not taken for granted.
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:05 AM
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15. sweet... glad you're gonna teach him a lesson....
but the thing that sucks tho... is that if/when you teach him that lesson and we get a President Romney... Barack Obama is still rich and fine... it is me, you, and our kids that suffer.... so I'm not really on board with teaching the rich Pres that will be fine no matter what the vote is a lesson... I just don't see it as all about him.
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peace4ever Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:10 AM
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18. he is just one man, it doesn't mean the fight is over, it is eternal
if he loses, maybe it was because he wasn't doing what the majority of people expected him to do.

as you said this goes way beyond just him.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:56 AM
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24. voting doesn't do shit either.
Think your one little vote makes any difference in any election?
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 11:56 PM
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11. no... no it doesn't
"withholding" a vote doesn't effect change in any way. It has the exact same effect of those that are lazy participants in society and don't vote. Effecting change means action. Not voting does not equal action. It just doesn't. And again... it seems backward to me to make someone "earn" a vote. It is my responsibility to vote and to make the best choice. I certainly have the right and responsibility to make my voice heard to elected officials by making phone calls, writing letters, etc.... but I do not think for a minute that not voting in an election is anything even close to being responsible.
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peace4ever Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 11:58 PM
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13. witholding from one, to give to another
just to clarify.

:hi:
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:08 AM
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17. Great. who would that be?
Romney? Bachman? Palin? - cause they all look great... :sarcasm: or are you going 3rd party? If so.. I hope you're not in a swing state... 'cause that's the same as vote for the R.
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peace4ever Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:10 AM
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19. plenty to choose from with a D or I next to their name.
it's an individual choice.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 11:43 PM
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7. All together now: "There's Not A Dime's Worth Of Difference Between......"
n/t
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peace4ever Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 11:46 PM
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10. nice distraction, but no, this is just about Obama.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:38 AM
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23. You just don't get it, do you?
n/t
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peace4ever Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:23 AM
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22. you can write in a name - that is making your voice heard as well. also
there will be plenty of other of dems to vote for, too, for other important offices.

:hi:
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 03:42 AM
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25. Locking
Expressing intent to not vote or vote third party, or justifying defeat of any Democratic general election candidate (unless a non-Democrat is most likely to defeat the conservative alternative).

Thanks for your understanding.

Rhiannon12866 - DU Moderator
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