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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 05:01 AM
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New DOJ Memo goes on a major DEA attack on medical marijuana
Edited on Fri Jul-01-11 05:03 AM by Ichingcarpenter
Obama Administration Overrides 2009 Ogden Memo, Declares Open Season on Pot Shops in States Where Medical Marijuana Is Legal

Mike Riggs | June 30, 2011

The Department of Justice sent out a memo Wednesday instructing the head of the Drug Enforcement Administration and leading officials in the U.S. Attorneys Office to treat medical marijuana shops as top priorities for prosecutors and drug investigators.


"Persons who are in the business of cultivating, selling or distributing marijuana, and those who knowingly facilitate such activities, are in violation of the Controlled Substances Act, regardless of state law," the memo reads. "Consistent with resource constraints and the discretion you may exercise in your district, such persons are subject to federal enforcement action, including potential prosecution. State laws or local ordinances are not a defense to civil or criminal enforcement of federal law with respect to such conduct, including enforcement of the CSA."



The memo, authored by Deputy Attorney General James M. Cole, "clarifies" a memo released in 2009 that declared medical marijuana sales in states that have legalized it to be a low priority for law enforcement and prosecutors. The so-called "Ogden memo" first appeared to drug law reformers as evidence that Pres. Obama was dialing back the war on drugs. The DEA and U.S. Attorneys office continued to go after state-legal grow operations and marijuana shops after the memo was first circulated, leading reformers to conclude that Obama was lying when he said on the campaign trail that he had no interest in going after medical marijuana.
The memo written by Cole and addressed to DEA Administrator Michele M. Leonhart and several members of the U.S. Attorney's office is a severe amendment to the Ogden memo. "The Department of Justice is committed to the enforcement of the Controlled Substances Act in all States. Congress has determined that marijuana is a dangerous drug and that the illegal distribution and sale of marijuana is a serious crime that provides a significant source of revenue to large scale criminal enterprises, gangs, and cartels," the memo reads.

"The Ogden Memorandum provides guidance to you in deploying your resources to enforce the CSA as part of the exercise of the broad discretion you are given to address federal criminal matters within your districts." The memo also says that the meaning of the Ogden memo has not changed since its writing.
Then memo continues: SNIP

SNIP AND SNIP.


http://reason.com/blog/2011/06/30/white-house-overrides...


Crap


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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 05:08 AM
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1. The complete DOJ memo can be read at this link
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 05:12 AM
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2. Beyond his continuation of BushCo's terror wars, and his crappy handling of the economy
this is my next biggest disappointment in Obama: he's keeping the Ray-Gun 'war' on (some) drugs going on and on.

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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 05:54 AM
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9. Money talks.
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fredamae Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 07:14 AM
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19. Money Talks To
the tune of More than $1 Trillion bucks since Nixon-Every 37 Seconds a Cannabis Consumer is arrested-I'm real tired of my tax dollars being invested in such trivial matters.

I mean, just think about it: You get stopped-cop smells cannabis-calls in back-up, dogs etc. This all takes time$$$. Maybe Hazard pay, OT etc.

Now, as the cops are tearing your car apart, looking under the seats, questioning you etc: HOW MANY DRUNK DRIVERS DRIVE BY, UNDETECTED and potentially on their way to cause a deadly collision?

But By God--they Saved Society from 3/4 of an oz of "The Herb-Cannabis"! Shit!!! We're all Saved as we make plans to attend the Funerals of the family that were killed in that car crash caused later that day by that "drunk driver". I'm sure their friends and family are Willing to make that worthwhile sacrifice---because, after-all: we got us a Very Dangerous "smot-poker"!

I want My Tax Dollars to Work for Society, Not tear it apart over Greed$$.

If Cannabis Prohibition were Ended in the US, the Demand would Drop, The Price would Plummet, Crime would Fall, Jail Beds would Empty and the Boarder Wars over drugs just got less complicated because over 60% of that income Is From Cannabis!!!

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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 05:15 AM
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3. "Ending Federal Marijuana Prohibition Act of 2011 (HR 2306)
Perhaps there is a relationship between the DOJ action and this bill?

Reps. Frank, Paul Introduce Marijuana Legalization Bill
Legislation would end federal prohibitions against marijuana use and production

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2011/06/reps-fran...
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 05:34 AM
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4. Across the nation people have exercised their franchise
and voted for legalization of medical marijuana, either directly through ballot initiatives or indirectly through their state legislatures.

And still Our Lords and Masters refuse to bend.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 05:38 AM
Response to Reply #4
5. The waste of the dept of Justice Department's resources in a budgetary crisis
never fails to astound me when there are so many other pressing
problems.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 05:40 AM
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6. I thought at one time he said he was not going to
attack the medical MJ??
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 05:42 AM
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7. Read the article it is mentioned on the old memo this new memo
supersedes the old.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 06:46 AM
Response to Reply #6
13. Yeah, that was a campaign lie.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 09:04 AM
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25. It was ALSO one of the specific reasons I voted for him!
One of the specific reasons, as in, "were I to make a list of WHY I'm voting for Obama...."

"The other guy is worse" is rapidly losing its power....
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 12:10 AM
Response to Reply #13
91. A campaign LIE?!? From Obama? Bring me my smelling salts.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #91
95. It's hard to believe, isn't it? n/t
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #95
97. Ooops, posted in wrong place
Edited on Sat Jul-02-11 04:37 PM by Blue_In_AK
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 05:54 AM
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8. Gotta fill those private prisons and rid the nation of voting citizens.
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duhneece Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 08:58 AM
Response to Reply #8
23. Especially minorities and the poor
'cause we know they vote Dem more often.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 09:03 AM
Response to Reply #23
24. If that's the case..
then why is Obama the "Dem" and now drug warrior helping to fill the prisons with his potential voters?
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duhneece Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:50 AM
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78. IF potential voters was Obama's aim, he wouldn't
This push to hurt medical marijuana users is wrong. It's also wrong to put people in prison for what they chose to put in their own bodies, for being addicts...that's why I am so opposed to the 'war on drugs.' I remain disgusted that Obama and his administration continue this draconian policy.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 05:10 PM
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86. Because the game is good cop/bad cop and if the Democrats gain too much power, excuses for not
being able to pass universal single payer health coverage or at the very least a strong national public option, have the mega wealthy shoulder the brunt of balancing the budget by giving up their massive tax cuts instead of eating into the much needed social safety net, holding the previous administration accountable for its' war crimes, building the nation's infrastructure and placing a top priority on diminishing the growing threat from global warming by dramatically increasing the scale of renewable energy investments would become far more difficult.

In short you can't play good cop/bad cop if you only have good cops.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 04:23 PM
Response to Reply #86
96. Very good point, Uncle Joe.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 05:59 AM
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10. obama and holder are assholes. nt
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 12:10 AM
Response to Reply #10
92. Roger that.
Major league a'holes.
Yeah, big time.
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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 06:08 AM
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11. Keep it up Obama and the Republicans will hold the presidency! n/t
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 06:14 AM
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12. rather dickish
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 06:48 AM
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14. The new memo even suggests that state employees could be prosecuted
The new memo even suggests that state employees could be prosecuted for licensing and regulating dispensaries, saying people "who knowingly facilitate" the distribution of medical marijuana "are in violation of the Controlled Substances Act, regardless of state law," and "are subject to federal enforcement action, including potential prosecution."
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 06:50 AM
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15. This administration is not friendly to MM patients..
Edited on Fri Jul-01-11 06:57 AM by Upton
In fact, as the article points out, Obama's DEA is now raiding clinics at a rate greater than Bush. With 2012 looming, it's time to throw medical pot users under the bus...doesn't matter if they're old or sick and in compliance with state law, reelection is more important.

I'm sick and tired. My "hope" is gone, "change" has become more of the same. Obama obviously lied about this issue. Why should I believe him about anything else?
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Buddyblazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 09:33 AM
Response to Reply #15
28. He didn't lie here...
For the most part they've left us alone here in Colorado.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 09:41 AM
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31. The reason is that you are under another DEA, DOJ district
Some geographic areas are hit harder, because of who is in charge..... California was hit hard it was under a long time Bush
appointee. Colorado can count their blessings on not being in their gunsights for now and I know what you say is true about Colorado but this new memo seems to want to get

EVERYONE ON BOARD NATIONWIDE.
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Buddyblazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 09:46 AM
Response to Reply #31
33. We have heard "stories" from other states...
and often surmised why we've never seen the same "problems". We'd like to believe it's because we are the only state that wrote the law making mmj legal into our state constitution. Amendment 20.

But we've also wondered if the problem in other states has been overstated.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 09:50 AM
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35. Well, they're not leaving us alone in Washington state..
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Buddyblazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 09:59 AM
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43. She got so busted...she's going to be open tomorrow:
"At least they didn't get my medicated enchilada dinner," she said. "I'll be open again tomorrow. I'll be right here."
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:09 AM
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50. She got busted...that's the point.
Rhonda Duncan, owner of a dispensary called Club Compassion, said about 10 agents entered her establishment with guns drawn and seized all the marijuana there - an amount she estimated at less than 10 ounces. They also ripped out about 14 of her personal plants; she said she takes marijuana for arthritis and other ailments.

And the raids on the dispensaries here in Washington, plus a letter from the DOJ threatening more of the same, caused Gregoire to partially veto the medical marijuana bill..

You keep living in your own little world though. A world where Obama never lies

"I would not have the Justice Department prosecuting and raiding medical marijuana users. It's not a good use of our resources."

Candidate Obama

http://granitestaters.com/candidates/barack_obama.html

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Buddyblazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:16 AM
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55. I never said he never lies.
Point me to that post immediately. He's a politician.

I'm certainly at a point where I realize, while I agree things are shitty right now, that we have an entire community here of people that bitch, whine and moan about Obama.

We have a whole lot of "grass is greener" over there people here. It's been annoying for a while. But at this point, it's gotten infuriating. Everybody has the right to complain. And I believe it holds our leaders feet to the fire. But at what point is it just over kill?

We just have a large mess of people here that complain, complain, complain, complain. I'm over it.

I haven't posted a whole lot for years now. It looks like I'm going to have to start voicing my opinion more...you know...just to drowned out the complainers.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:25 AM
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64. Pointing out Obama's lies on this issue is overkill and too much complaining?
Are you serious? Perhaps you're content with just bending over and taking whatever is dished out by this administration with a smile...but I'm a long, long way from that point.

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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:41 AM
Response to Reply #55
72. Colorado hasn't been raided ... yet. Your time is coming, and if you don't think so, ...
Edited on Fri Jul-01-11 10:59 AM by Fly by night
... please pass me some of what you're smoking. Then go hide and watch.

My guess is that the very success that Colorado is experiencing with its state medical marijuana program is a prime motivator behind this latest memo to crack down. Colorado's medical marijuana program didn't explode vis a vis patients and dispensaries until the 2009 Ogden memo. My guess is that you're about to implode -- big time.

I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:44 AM
Response to Reply #15
74. He is a fraud. Nt
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 06:57 AM
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16. Nothing this administration says can be believed. "Change we can believe in"? Bullshit.
Obama better hope that the Repubs run a can of creamed corn as his opponent in 2012. Absent that, he does not stand much of a chance of re-election.

And given his difficulty meaning what he says and saying what he means, Obama will have only himself to thank for that outcome.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 09:39 AM
Response to Reply #16
30. I think Obama's re-election is almost guaranteed.
The only problem is that this doesn't excite me one iota. The flip-flopping on this issue is disgusting. And he wonders why those on the left are sick of him.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 06:59 AM
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17. 2008 Obama said,
Obama In a March 2008 interview with Oregons Mail Tribune,
Obama said,

"I'm not going to be using Justice Department resources to try to circumvent state laws on this issue."

http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/2...


Two months later, when another Oregon paper, Willamette Week, asked Obama whether he would "stop the DEA's raids on Oregon medical marijuana growers," he replied,

"I would, because I think our federal agents have better things to do."


http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-9003-six_minutes_...


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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 09:29 AM
Response to Reply #17
26. Keep posting that with those links every chance you get...please.
don't want it to disappear down the memory hole, as so many promises apparently have.
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theaocp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 09:50 AM
Response to Reply #17
36. The man is, unfortunately, a liar
on this issue. Straight up and on the rocks. Thanks for the links.
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #36
90. Not just on this issue! n/t
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 12:18 AM
Response to Reply #17
93. He is such a HUGH fucking liar.
Soooooo done with him.
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piratefish08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 07:00 AM
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18. Excellent! The War on Some People Who Use Drugs will march on!
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 07:40 AM
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20. Hopetastic!!! n/t
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 07:41 AM
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21. Why work on creating jobs when you can just incarcerate the youth?
Sigh.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 08:03 AM
Response to Reply #21
22. I and others who use this for medical reasons are old farts
Edited on Fri Jul-01-11 08:05 AM by Ichingcarpenter
I don't think its only the youth, but doctors that prescribe it,
state workers who allow it and many more of all , creeds,economic, race and age

BTW ..... look at my post #17 and see how Obama lied to Oregon and the voters.... I was looking at him on this issue and was hopefull this crap would end.
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:08 AM
Response to Reply #22
49. My own doc is afraid
to prescribe it.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #22
70. oh, I realize that. I also know that they are killing potential jobs and creating
more criminals with stupid anachronistic policies. I think marijuana shoild be legal, period. If they only legalize it for medical use, it will just be the next cash cow for big pharma to come in and overcharge people for.

The whole thing is complete bullshit to help keep the same PTB in charge and raking in money.
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Buddyblazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 09:32 AM
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27. Just to let everyone here know...
as someone who knows several dispensary owners, has helped build several large legal documented grows, and has helped trim pounds and pounds of medical mj....

the Feds haven't really put the heat on anybody here.

Oh...we had one asshole that put his grow on the nightly news and bragged about numbers that you could tell were inappropriate and illegal...he got busted. And when the feds showed up, he was indeed WAY WAY WAY over on his legal count.

Other than that, I haven't heard a damn thing about anybody being bothered by the Feds here.

So while people not actually involved in this industry tell you one thing, as someone that is involved in this industry...the Feds aren't doing a damn thing here.

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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 09:35 AM
Response to Reply #27
29. The Memo was from yesterday the old rules
were from 2009 so I'd suspect you and yours should be prepared.

I think your information is inaccurate on the DEA not hassling or closing clinics. The facts do not bear you out.
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Buddyblazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 09:43 AM
Response to Reply #29
32. I'm sorry...
I was hanging out with my buddy from High Times just yesterday while he was doing photos in a legal grow. Walking in and out...broad daylight. In full view of neighbors...the world. No one gives a shit here. I've been working closely with people in this industry (and many major players...Google Adam Dunn)...and we have seen zero from the DEA.

What you think is happening hasn't happened. Maybe it will. Maybe it is somewhere else. But it's not here.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 09:50 AM
Response to Reply #32
37. From what I've seen state initiated raids due to tax evasion issues are singled out as fed raids.
Usually by people who don't like the President.
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Buddyblazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 09:56 AM
Response to Reply #37
41. This is exactly it...
some people are looking for reasons to harsh on Obama.

I didn't want to say it. Because I see some of it coming from posters I've respected here for years.

But let's be honest. People are simplifying things so they can scream at Obama.


Listen here folks:

What we're doing here in Colorado...it was still quiet and clandestine when Bush was in office. Amendment 20 was in place. But everybody knew the Bush regime didn't give a fuck about states rights and would have busted in in a heartbeat.

The two years since Obama has been in office? Well, let's just say we now have an industry that is pulling in a good amount of money, employing lots of people, and has basically kept Colorado for completely going off the economic cliff like many other states.

Thank you, President Obama. Thank you for setting a mood in which something like this has become possible.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 09:59 AM
Response to Reply #41
42. Yeah right.......
Edited on Fri Jul-01-11 10:04 AM by Ichingcarpenter
President Obama had jack shit to do with your
state's laws the people of your state decided that
not the feds....

IGNORE THE FACTS AND THE DOJ MEMO and attack me.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:24 AM
Response to Reply #41
63. Bullshit!
Obama is worse than Bush on this issue. Sweet that they are laying off CO right now, but as I said in another post...don't get too smug. You might attract some bad juju.

The feds are increasing the attack on medicinal cannabis. That's a fact. To thank Obama for setting the mood for eased access to cannabis is absurd. He had nothing to do with it, and he is actively threatening it.
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theaocp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 09:52 AM
Response to Reply #32
39. Be careful...
First, they came for the California dispensaries, and I said nothing because I lived in Colorado...
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 09:56 AM
Response to Reply #39
40. I'm no longer in California
but when I did live there, one clinic after another got closed down until it required 60 miles of driving vs 3 miles..... 15 miles ... then 30 miles.
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Buddyblazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:02 AM
Response to Reply #40
45. I've got one...
two blocks from my house. Another, four blocks. Within a miles drive in any direction, I know of at least six. Not one has been shut down. And they've been there for several years now.
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:18 AM
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The Denver/Boulder area is...special. :3 nt
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:03 AM
Response to Reply #32
47. Where are you?
It is happening in CA. Dispensary raids are up under Obama. I know plenty of clubs that haven't being hassled (yet), but there are many others that have been raided and shut down. Sure, the horse is way out of the barn here in CA, but harassment is increasing, not decreasing.

I've been a cannabis activist since 1966. I worked on CA 215 and the successful Marin County initiative that preceded it. I know what I'm talking about. There is an very ugly trend developing right now.
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Buddyblazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:10 AM
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51. I figure the Denver Nuggets AV was a dead give away..
We haven't seen it here. We may have been "warned"...but we haven't seen a damn thing here.

Went to one of my friends dispensaries the other day, talked with a Denver Police officer that was there for some official reason for about ten minutes on the state of the Broncos and Nuggets. Meanwhile, marijuana is being sold over the counter ten feet away. Nothing happened. Nobody got arrested. Nobody got hassled. When my friend was done with their business, she came over and started talking to the cop. I think it was a security issue with their shop he was informing her about.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:15 AM
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53. Don't get too smug.
Things can change. Indeed, things are changing. The feds are ramping it up.

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Buddyblazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #53
57. I'm not being smug...
don't get angry at me for simply relating a story.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #57
69. Actually, you are.
We've experienced the same giddiness here in CA for quite a long time. I can go down the road to a huge store (I mean really huge), full of bud, clones, edibles, lights and equipment, and anything else you can think of related to cannabis. The places are everywhere around here.

I'm here to tell you that things are regressing, and it is happening on a federal level. I have lot's of stories too, and I know lots of heavies in the movement as well. Jack Herer was a friend of mine. I've been doing this shit forever.

Obama and Holder are fucking regressive to the extreme on this issue. Watch your back, bro!
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #47
54. Let's just say I'm not there and leave it at that



I did a couple of articles on Justice department's honcho
in charge of the attacks in California a while back he was a Bush appointee. 'Remember the guy with Blackwater shirt at the raid in LA who was helping out the DEA? Yeah I broke that story

LIke I said this memo pretty well states what is expected
of 'all employees of Justice and the DEA' regarding cannabis...... it from the top. California was also one the first to pass a fair
law and was way ahead of the rest of the nation in legalization and federal harassment step in first in California.

This memo is pretty clear and upgrades the Ogden memo from 2009

Does anyone really think Holder will do the 'CORRECT THING"
I mean,come on.. with his history?.... he approved the fracking memo from his subordinate.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:39 AM
Response to Reply #54
71. I remember that very well.
The photo with the dude wearing the blackwater shirt really pissed me off. :mad:
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 09:47 AM
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34. That idiot who advertised his grow put me out of business.
We had funding all lined up, a prime retail location, build-outs designed, grow-op locations established, financials complete, lawyers, everything. The day after that story broke our investors pulled out and it was all over.
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Buddyblazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 09:51 AM
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38. Fucking Bartkowicz.
What a fucking moron. Someone posted the video up on ICMag in the Colorado State forum the night it was aired.

We all started taking bets on how long before he was busted. I don't recall anybody guessing it would be the next day. What an idiot.

You might be better off opening a grow store. Less liability. Less permitting and bullshit to go through. And apparently, as a couple of my dispensary owning friends have told me, they are making hand over fist. Everybody is growing. Hell...I have one a few blocks away from my house. lol
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:01 AM
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44. I can't open anything where I live now.
That event (and a few others) snowballed into a lost house and a forced move. Believe me, I wish I was still in CO. I miss it so much.
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Buddyblazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:05 AM
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48. I'm glad I didn't open a dispensary..
the new state laws (that go into effect today) are pretty crippling for them.

I like how the new required security equipment that must be in every dispensary is manufactured by a company whose owner has ties to one of the state politicians. How convenient.

My friends are a thousand times more worried about state officials than the DEA.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:12 AM
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52. The feds are beginning to use the IRS now.
I have a good friend who has operated one of the first dispensaries in CA, for close to 20 years now. She has the blessings of the town, and all the local authorities. The IRS has started a battle with her, trying to shut down the operation.

The feds are stepping it up. Trust me on that, and watch your back. :hippie:
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Buddyblazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #52
59. I didn't open a dispensary for just that reason...
eom
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #34
60. Face it: your President's DOJ is putting you out of business.
I'm not happy about it, but there are the facts.
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Buddyblazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #60
62. I know not one person here...
that has been put out of business.

Thems the facts. ;)
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #62
68. "and I did not speak out, for I was not a Californian..."
I guess everything's fine until the DEA turns its attention on Co. :hi:
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #62
75. Unbelievably smug.
Are you aware of the fact that things can change.

They are changing.

Don't tempt fate, fer Dog's sake. :eyes:
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:02 AM
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46. This is completely fucking insane
and something I would have expected from the Chimp and Darth.

Change, my ass. Just more bullshit from this DINO administration.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:17 AM
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56. This President's lies just keep collapsing all around him.
I'd support a Drug Warrior who has the integrity to admit to being one way before this duplicitous will-he-or-won't-he act the President engages in.

Just disgraceful.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:18 AM
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58. "Congress has determined that marijuana is a dangerous drug"
more lies from Congress then. or maybe more stupidity. or more hubris since doctors and researchers know a lot more about this than Congress.

Lawyers, former law enforcement, economists, the top pharmacology researcher in the UK, in addition to doctors and researchers with actual experience working with cannabis know that Congress is lying or in the pocket of select special interests.

Nixon's Drug Commission, you fucking wankers, recommended, more than 30 years ago, that the govt should get its head out of its ass and stop pretending cannabis is a dangerous drug - OUR OWN GOVT is on record with research that indicates Congress is, apparently, full of idiots - as is anyone else in govt that supports these lies from the Obama Admin. about cannabis.

Congress consists of a bunch of ideological wankers who apparently don't know their asses from a hole in the ground.

The older I get, the less respect I have for anyone in govt.

at this rate, in another couple of years I'm gonna be an anarchist...
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:21 AM
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61. Another lie, anyhoo--the scheduling of drugs is an ADMINISTRATIVE MATTER,
within the discretion of the executive branch and the President's appointed officials.

Proceedings to add, delete, or change the schedule of a drug or other substance may be initiated by the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), or by petition from any interested party, including the manufacturer of a drug, a medical society or association, a pharmacy association, a public interest group concerned with drug abuse, a state or local government agency, or an individual citizen. When a petition is received by the DEA, the agency begins its own investigation of the drug.
The DEA also may begin an investigation of a drug at any time based upon information received from laboratories, state and local law enforcement and regulatory agencies, or other sources of information.
Once the DEA has collected the necessary data, the Deputy Administrator of DEA,<7> requests from HHS a scientific and medical evaluation and recommendation as to whether the drug or other substance should be controlled or removed from control. This request is sent to the Assistant Secretary of Health of HHS. Then, HHS solicits information from the Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration and evaluations and recommendations from the National Institute on Drug Abuse and, on occasion, from the scientific and medical community at large. The Assistant Secretary, by authority of the Secretary, compiles the information and transmits back to the DEA a medical and scientific evaluation regarding the drug or other substance, a recommendation as to whether the drug should be controlled, and in what schedule it should be placed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act#...
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #61
66. A scheduling hearing is under review now
with a 30 day demand (as of June 24th-ish) to respond to this request for a scheduling hearing at the DEA from a group of cannabis reformers.

Holder could reschedule cannabis tomorrow if he so chose - but, since that would require some honesty - I don't expect to see anything of the sort - with this new "clarification" - including this statement from Congress - I don't expect the DEA to favorably review scheduling either - in which case, the refusal will be contested.

Congress has, on one occasion, used it power to schedule a substance - one of those public hysteria moments that they're so good at milking.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:30 AM
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67. It's the President's call. He could end the War on (people who use) Drugs tomorrow, if he wished.
The Congress has granted this power to the executive branch. The President is too craven to own his own policies.

Anyhow, I agree with your post 100%, if that isn't coming through. I'm just PISSED right now. :mad:
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:47 AM
Response to Reply #67
76. I'm just fed up
this nation is seriously fucked up and not in a good way.

like I said - I have little to no respect for most institutions of power anymore. that's the lesson this entire cannabis issue gives to young people, too (of which I am no longer one.)

when I read about the ASTONISHING results of whole-plant cannabis medicine for MS patients, for instance, it just makes me want to SPIT to know the Obama administration is part of the problem and not part of the solution.

the joke is that he, just like Bush and Clinton before him, just like drug dealer Mitch Daniels, just like the overwhelming majority of people in the U.S. know - our current policy is a FAILURE and a disgrace.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:26 AM
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65. So gay marriage should be left to the states
but the states can't maintain their own marijuana laws?

Disgusting, hypocritical, and insulting.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:48 AM
Response to Reply #65
77. right winging it here in the ole U. S of hypocrisy and lies
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:44 AM
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73. Horrible, just horrible. Makes me sick.
No, I will not be voting for him.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #73
83. nor will i
"lying liars and the lies they tell". apparently, bush wasn't the only author of that book! :grr:
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 05:10 PM
Response to Reply #83
87. Yep, you got that right!
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 11:26 AM
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79. How stupid can Obama afford to be ...
and still get re-elected?
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 11:43 AM
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80. Doesn't the DOJ have some torture cases to pursue?
Oh, wait, this is somehow more important...
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 05:11 PM
Response to Reply #80
88. torture - good. relief from illness using cannabis - bad. pretty damn sad.
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 11:55 AM
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81. Oh yeah, this is so much more important than going after a genuine criminal...
posing as a Supreme Court Justice, i.e. Clarence Thomas.

:sarcasm:
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 11:58 AM
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82. Is this utter fuc*ing male bovine excrement mixed with putrid, stinking bullshit
:shrug: :patriot:
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 04:52 PM
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84. What in god's name is the reason for them to keep doing this to people...in OUR name???
:wtf:
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 05:07 PM
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85. Fucking Fascists
Time to leave the union I guess...

VIVA CALIFORNIA!
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 05:45 PM
Response to Original message
89. Those photos of Obama smoking when he was young
I always suspected it was a joint. Someone should blow that picture up and find out. Then make a billboard so we can literally see his hypocrisy. Or use those pictures at Obama rallies. This is just too much shit to let go by and say "well, they haven't busted us".
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 04:12 PM
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94. Pot is a threat to big pharmacy, alcohol, and cotton, and we can't have that.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 04:38 PM
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98. It's become pretty clear
that this administration has been bought and paid for. I don't trust them any further than I can throw the whole lot of them. Since Obama will probably be a lock in 2012, 2016 can't come soon enough for me.
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