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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 10:47 PM
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Most vegetarians return to eating meat
It appears that for the vast majority of vegetarians, abstaining from meat is only a phase rather than a permanent life choice.

According to Psychology Today, roughly 75% of vegetarians eventually return to eating meat with 9 years being the average length of time of abstinence.


http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/2011/06/most-veg...
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 10:51 PM
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1. Damn.
That leaves less meat for me. *sigh*
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 10:52 PM
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2. Interesting study!
Edited on Wed Jun-29-11 10:53 PM by sudopod
As an on-and-off veggie myself, I wonder what the split would be between religious or ethically motivated vegetarians versus the others (people being health conscious, etc). I lift weights, and while I didn't have the hunger and weakness problems lots of people had, I also did eggs and dairy (especially whey protein).

I also wonder what role family pressure has in falling off the wagon. It's really tough around the holidays.
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 04:48 AM
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39. I think a lot
of people are pressured by families and friends who don't understand their food choices. I've never been a vegetarian, but I have eaten healthfully for the last three years (losing weight), and I can't count the times my parents or in laws have been like: "Just have these fries this once. Go on, have that piece of cake! A little ice cream won't hurt! You don't do it every day!"

Well, yeah, but if I did it every time you told me to, I'd be eating a lot of shit!

With something like vegetarianism or veganism, it's a whole lifestyle they don't understand.

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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 10:54 PM
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3. Going on a quarter-century of veganism for me.
At this point I can't even comprehend changing back.
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:17 AM
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74. How do you function without dairy?
Seriously. I would starve to death without cheese, and I need at least a glass of milk a day. I've tried soy milk and it's horrible - I won't even go into my thoughts on soy cheese. How on earth do you even eat pasta without parmesan cheese LOL. I can go stretches of time without eating meat without even realizing it because I like red beans and rice (no sausage) and things like that, but no cheese? OMG.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:52 AM
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86. Americans eat far too much dairy
especially cheese. Soy is not really a good substitute. It's best to just watch consumption of dairy IMO. Sounds like you don't eat too much meat. :)
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 01:23 PM
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125. Almond milk and almond ice cream is wonderful.
Coconut creamer is also great in coffee.

I have to agree with you on the cheese- vegan cheese stinks.

Why not just try cutting down a little, or only buying cheese from local, organic dairies? Try this and you will eat less dairy by default.
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cmkramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #125
157. Almond milk is great!
I just found unsweetened almond milk which is only 35-40 calories per serving. Even the sweetened kind is only 90 calories which is the same as nonfat/skim milk. I love it.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:09 AM
Response to Reply #157
202. I'm going to get some today-I've never tried it.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 05:39 PM
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145. Don't miss it at all.
The newest vegan cheeses (Daiya brand especially) are great -- my omnivorous fiancee and her kids love them. Soymilk, almond milk, rice milk, and oat milk all taste great to me (hemp milk is, however, vile.)

It's like anything else -- heart patients think they can't give up salt and diabetics sweets, but in a few months they barely notice the absence.
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #74
152. Haven't had milk in months.
Cheese is next, and then I'll be a vegan. It's really not that hard- and I live in Oklahoma, where there are some slim pickin's in terms of veggie options.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 11:26 PM
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174. I don't want to breastfeed a cow, I doubt they want to breastfeed me either.
Really, the whole idea of dairy is just unspeakably gross. And it smells.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 01:40 AM
Response to Reply #174
183. HOW DO YOU FUNKSHUN!!?? I HAVE NO CLUE??111???
:eyes:
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 01:47 AM
Response to Reply #183
185. So far the pins are holding my bones together.
Now be a nice young man and fetch me my walker and my pill caddy, would you?
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 01:52 AM
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186. I'd like to, but
suspicious folks are among us, and they think veg*ns are weak and anemic and can't function.

I'm waiting on responses that I don't think I'll get. I'm old but *curls right arm in* I think I got this. LMAO!
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 01:56 AM
Response to Reply #186
187. I am skeptical of your assertion and insist on photographic proof.
You know my email address. ;)
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #186
199. I'm a suspicious person?
Oh good. It's nice to keep folks wondering :D.

I lived with a vegan, my friend, and I've done the "barbecue ribs" made with peanut butter and other questionable ingredients. It's a very healthy lifestyle, but I was serious when I said that I could not function without dairy. I drink my coffee black no sugar, so it's a lot more than just missing my creamer.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #199
237. I just made that recipe!
Wasn't bad despite my use of bottled BBQ sauce. After mixing the seitan and stuff I was way too lazy to make a batch of my own.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #174
206. you should like dairy milk and have it delivered unless you don't want Americans to have jobs
:rofl:

(okay, that logic was used to try to get me to keep having the phone book(s) delivered to my house) :shrug:
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #206
208. I saw! That was... special. nt
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #174
211. I saqw you eat teh butter!
:o
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #211
213. That's what I get for not waterboarding the waitstaff before ordering.
That other Indian place has me spoiled.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 12:08 PM
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215. But you ate the butter!
Edited on Fri Jul-01-11 12:09 PM by XemaSab
Youre previously vegan body is TAINTED! TAIIIIIIINTED! :o

You broke edge. You have no edge now. :cry:
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6000eliot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 10:56 PM
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4. I've been vegetarian since 1998.
I will NEVER eat meat again knowingly.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #4
27. Don't worry - you will if you get hungry enough. nt
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 01:26 PM
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126. Funnily enough, as a vegetarian, that's pretty close to my philosophy.
There are so many other things we can eat that it's not necessary to eat meat. And I would produce everything else I eat, but I wouldn't feel comfortable killing an animal for food, given other options.

But if there was no other food, then I would definitely eat meat. I'd probably eat you.
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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #126
141. We are all cannibals if we get hungry enough
I would be.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #126
146. Even after so many years a vegan
if I get stranded and starving in the woods and a cute fuzzy bunny gets too close it'll be Codeine - 1, Nature - 0.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 01:26 PM
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127. Eat a plate of butter beans, black eyed peas,corn bread, yams, collards, a side salad
Top it off with a peach cobbler and some almond ice cream.

If you still need meat (or more food of ANY kind) after all of that, then you are probably just a fat dude who eats too much anyway.
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:07 AM
Response to Reply #127
201. Oh god...
... my mouth just watered. I need to stay out of this thread until I've had some lunch. I'd prefer a biscuit, however, instead of the corn bread.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #127
217. YUM! If you ever make it to Oakland, CA...
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 10:58 PM
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5. I did a modified version some years ago, and felt better.
Over 30 years ago I decided to stop eating beef, pork, and chicken, because of the grease.

I love milk, eggs and cheese, and eat a lot of those.

I still ate bony fish and turkey. It wasn't really a major change.

I felt lighter because I did that for about a year. I also noticed revulsion at hamburgers, which I guess means I was feeling like a vegetarian.

I eat meat now, not a whole lot. I should probably do that regimen again.

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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:01 PM
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6. I'm a lacto-ovo-occasional-meat vegetarian, lol. I couldn't give it up
altogether. I'd never be able to continue. So I figure a little here and there is no better or worse than none for a while, and then plenty for a while.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:07 PM
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12. For a second, I thought you were going to quote the line from "Tales Of The City"
in which a character says he's ovo-lacto during the week and ovo-lacto-porkchoppo on the weekends.
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:03 PM
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7. Have been a vegan for 3 months...
and somehow I don't miss meat. I do miss dairy at times but overall I quite alright. I guess just feeling a lot better is incentive enough for me.
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:03 PM
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8. Mmmm, bacon. Mmmmm, pot. Mmmm, pot then bacon.
;)
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:04 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. How about a bacon bong?
n/t.
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:12 PM
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13. No mixing of the good things like that. Each is good in it's own way.
;)
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:03 PM
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9. Those 75% are not vegetarians. Probably a passing fad for them. nt
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:19 PM
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15. it says 9 years is the average they stay vegetarians, how is 9 years a passing fad
it has to be more than that if they last that long.

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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 03:42 AM
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234. the 9 years and the 75% don't really have anything to do w/ one another
The article misrepresents the Psychology Today article, which got the 75% number based on some 2005 CBS report. The nine year average was of the responses they got to a website survey.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:49 PM
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24. No True Scotsman.
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anneboleyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 02:08 AM
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190. The Bruce!
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 12:02 AM
Response to Reply #9
28. No TRUE Scotsman... nt
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #9
122. I was going to post a similar comment.
But I was also going to phrase it in such a way so the sarcasm would be obvious.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:06 PM
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11. And this matters why, exactly?
Is there some reason you want to discourage people from embracing vegetarianism? It's not as if ceasing to eat meat threatens the country's survival or anything.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:34 PM
Response to Reply #11
18. Why do you assume I want to discourage people from embracing vegetarianism?
I found the study interesting and very surprising. I thought other people would find it interesting and surprising, as well.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 08:58 AM
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58. How does this study "discourage" vegetarianism?
looks pretty neutral to me. A lot of people are vegetarians for an indefinite period of time. There's nothing wrong with that. Some people choose to just reduce their meat intake. There's nothing wrong with that either.
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:17 PM
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14. Bacon beats tofu (nt)
Edited on Wed Jun-29-11 11:18 PM by Nye Bevan
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 12:12 AM
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30. As a certified lover of all things tofu I disagree. nt
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 08:46 AM
Response to Reply #14
54. wrap the tofu in bacon
:evilgrin:
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 09:39 AM
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59. +1000 nt
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #14
128. As a carcinogen, there is no doubt that bacon "wins" when compared to soy and other plants. n/t
n/t
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #14
214. For heart disease, yes. nt
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Philippine expat Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 08:48 PM
Response to Reply #14
228. Yes it does, but
I've had some good tofu also
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:21 PM
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16. maybe they mostly eat bread and pasta and gain a lot of weight
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 12:21 AM
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33. Some of Us are Constantly Hungry if We Try to Do Without Meat
Edited on Thu Jun-30-11 12:25 AM by AndyTiedye
If I don't get at least some meat, I'm constantly hungry and my energy level craters.
Not a good combination. I certainly would gain weight if I did that for a while.

Your mileage may vary. I suspect that the ability to assemble "complementary" proteins into
complete protein may not be universal, particularly among those whose ancestors came from
pretty far north.
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:22 PM
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17. not a very impressive study...
"...Over the next week or so, seventy-seven former vegetarians took our survey. As is true of vegetarians generally, the majority of the participants were women. Their average age was 28..."

and one of the reasons was "Hassles and Social Stigmas"... for goodness sake, these people were not real vegetarians...


http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animals-and-us/2011...
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:35 PM
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19. Not real vegetarians? See Post #15.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 05:02 AM
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43. Why do I get the feeling that if a study with only 77 people were on any other topic
such as gay marriage, abortion, political candidates or any other topic, you'd say it wasn't a valid sampling?
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #43
79. I don't know why. You tell me: what hasty assumptions have you made about me?
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 03:43 PM
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143. So are you saying you'd take any so-called study that only had 77 respondents
and accept its so-called findings as legit?
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 06:13 PM
Response to Reply #143
153. Whether I found the study interesting and worth posting about
Edited on Thu Jun-30-11 06:14 PM by DavidDvorkin
would depend on the study.

But that's not the question. The question is, why are you assuming that I had an ulterior motive?
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #153
154. I never said that. Why would you post a so-called "study" with only 77 respondents
and present it as anything other than a flawed non-scientific poll of the authors acquaintances?
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #154
155. Look at your post #43
Quite clearly, it accuses me of having had an ulterior motive.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #155
160. No, that's what you are reading into it.
I never said any such thing, you simply chose to read it that way.

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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 05:00 AM
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42. WOW, a sampling group of 77 people . . . now THERE's a study.
I'd venture a guess that the number of Hindu and Buddhist people in that sampling group was pretty low.

Sorry but 77 isn't a valid sampling of anything.

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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 12:22 PM
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113. It wasn't a sample based study. It was self-reporting anecdotes by self-selected respondents
IOW, not even close to a quantitative scientific study.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 03:43 PM
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144. That's kind of the point. n/t
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yewberry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:41 PM
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20. Meh, people make the choices that are best for them.
Edited on Wed Jun-29-11 11:42 PM by yewberry
Veg*n for 24 - no, wait, 25 - years now, and can't imagine eating flesh.

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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:42 PM
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21. I've never even met a vegetarian who returned to eating meat. I've been
a vegetarian since I was a teenager (20+ years) and a vegan for the last few years. Some members of my family including my husband and a couple of friends are also vegetarians/vegans and have been for many years. That article is bunk.

Most of the most influential thinkers throughout history have been vegetarians and they didn't go back to eating meat... Einstein, Socrates, Plato, Pythagoras, Tolstoy, Da Vinci, Susan B. Anthony, etc., etc. Have you ever wondered why all of those people were vegetarians?? It's not a coincidence. And no, Hitler wasn't a vegetarian. That is a myth.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #21
29. And your source for Socrates, Plato, and Pythagoras being vegetarian is...?
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 12:20 AM
Response to Reply #29
32. Pythagoras could also bilocate
Was that his own special power, or can all vegetarians do that?
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 09:53 AM
Response to Reply #29
63. As to Socrates: hemlock is definitely not meat. n/t
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 12:19 PM
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112. And I guess he did make a life-long committment to it. nt
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 01:49 PM
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133. "Build a man a fire, and he'll have fire for a day."

"Set a man on fire, and he'll have fire for life."

I saw that quote somewhere on DU.

:)


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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 11:23 PM
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173. They are all dead...
so they don't eat meat anymore. They don't eat broccoli anymore either.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 08:25 AM
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51. I started eating meat last year
after 19 years of being a vegetarian. My body has been telling me i need it for a couple of years now and i finally decided to stop ignoring it. I consider myself a localvore, in that i won't eat anything that isn't organic and comes from far away (in my case i use 100 miles away as aradius limit). I end up eating meat once or twice a month. I live in a rural area with lots of small farms, so it's real easy for me to source everything and view farm conditions. Otherwise, i'm not sure i would've converted back to a carnivorousness so easily. I started as a veggie not because of an ethical stand against killing animals for food, but torturing them while they're alive... the still HORRIFIC conditions on those massive, industrial farms that process thousands of "units" a day.



:shrug:


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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 09:57 AM
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65. I Think That's a Great Plan
I haven't gone as far as you have but have tried to be better about buying meats from local sources. I've gone from basically not caring to trying to get 50% of my meat (including seafood) from local sources instead of "the store." A thriving farmers/green market community in and around Baltimore helps a lot.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 02:01 PM
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136. I know alot of 'vegetraians' that endup doing something like that
Edited on Thu Jun-30-11 02:03 PM by LynneSin
A few went with local, organic meat. I've also heard of 'no-red meat' or 'fish-only'

One person I know modified it that they could have one meat dish a week - which said helped for both social situations and holidays. She wanted to enjoy Turkey on Thanksgiving and Hamburgers at family picnics but felt for most of her day-to-day eating she simply did not have need for meat.

If I don't think I could ever go true vegetarism, I don't have enough veggies I like to eat and I hate beans. But I have thought of doing a modified form of it where I would still eat fish and would allow myself meat at one meal per week. I could never EVER give up fish - I love it too much but I could do without other meat products for the most part.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:44 AM
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83. Nice to meet you...
I went back.
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MattSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 12:13 PM
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109. Einstein a vegetarian?
According to this, for one year, then he died...

The latest indications we have suggest that Einstein was vegetarian only for the last year or so of his life, though he appears to have supported the idea for many years before practising it himself.

"So I am living without fats, without meat, without fish, but am feeling quite well this way. It always seems to me that man was not born to be a carnivore."

This was from a letter written to Hans Muehsam, and dated March 30, 1954, which was about 1 year before Einstein died. This indicates he adopted a vegetarian diet at the end of his life. Previously, on August 3, 1953 Einstein had written the following in a letter to Max Kariel, suggesting that he was still eating meat at that time:

"I have always eaten animal flesh with a somewhat guilty conscience."
- Einstein Archive 60-058

The above quotes are from: The Expanded Quotable Einstein, collected and edited by Alice Calaprice. The book flap of Ms. Calaprice's book says: "Alice Calaprice is a Senior Editor at Princeton University Press, where she has specialized in the sciences and worked with the Einstein Papers for over twenty years."

http://www.ivu.org/history/northam20a/einstein.html
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:44 PM
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162. Hitler was a vegetarian.
Edited on Thu Jun-30-11 10:46 PM by provis99
But why would that make any difference? The fact that Hitler was a vegetarian does not condemn vegetarianism. I think Seventh Day Adventists are bizarre and extremist religious nuts, but I think their vegetarian healthstyle is nonetheless a healthy one.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 01:43 AM
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184. Thank the Gods of Tofu we got that bullhsit out of the way.
(if you detect sarcasm, your sarcasm meter is working)
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:43 PM
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22. I have been a vegetarian since 1995, I guess they didn't ask me /nt
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:47 PM
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23. I suppose you didn't see the part about 75%
Is it just maybe possible that you're part of the other 25?
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:49 PM
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25. Sorry, I'm not buying it. nt
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 12:31 AM
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34. Don't be sorry. It doesn't bother me in the least.
:shrug:
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 09:42 AM
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61. +1
I always get a kick out of people who say, "I'm sorry, but..."

I guess they are self loathers? LOL They hate themselves for their own opinions!

:rofl:
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 12:51 AM
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178. I wonder how this poll was conducted? I can bet if they called most households whose demographic is
Indian, they would have not had many converts

On the other hand, in the U.S. most people are NOT vegetarian, so I would like to see how they conducted this poll. Did they solicit their readers to call in?

Frankly, I don't really care whether someone chooses to eat meat or not, that is their personal business

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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:53 PM
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26. i'm in a wierd category. i nver stopped eating meat but i love an assortment of
Edited on Wed Jun-29-11 11:53 PM by dionysus
vegetarian food like veggie burgers, "chicken nuggets", veggie corn dogs, sausage, all kinds of stuff...

and i eat it for the taste. i love em.

the next day i'll eat chicken or steak but it doesnt matter to me.
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nomorenomore08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 03:50 AM
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37. Sort of on the same page. I'm a meat-eater but a flexible one.
A lot of vegetarian/vegan food really is delicious. Don't know why some are so afraid of it. :shrug:
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 04:52 AM
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41. I'm like that too
I love veggie burgers and tofu, though I do also eat meat. I'll often choose vegetarian options for meals, though.

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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 05:05 AM
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44. I like some of that stuff, but steer clear if it's based on soy
soy tends to make me feel bloated and itchy; not sure it it's a mild allergy or what

soy sauce is fine, maybe because it's so small an amount per serving

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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 11:27 AM
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100. Same here! Soy should be limited
I avoid all soy foods except for the fermented soy sauce, miso etc. (A Chinese medicine doctor told me this was OK, after I'd already figured it out). I don't eat soy flour, soy oil, soy milk--NONE of that. The problem is the soy isoflavones. They have been associated with fibroids and also thyroid insufficiency in women. I have a friend who was a vegetarian (lots of soy) in her 20's and 30's and by age 42 she had to begin taking thyroid hormones. Tho a vegetarian, I was fortunate not to have been such a big eater of soy. I don't think vegetariansism is the problem--it's the OVER-consumption of soy. Soy is a phytoestrogen. It's not great in large quantities for men either.

http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/soydangers.htm
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 02:03 AM
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189. (facepalm)
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:57 AM
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89. I love veggie corn dogs and black bean burgers.
They're in my freezer at all times. And veggie sausage patties, too. For me it's more that I don't like real meat that's been ground up. God only knows what's in there.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 12:17 AM
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31. Ah, the lure of BBQ & other burning meats.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 12:40 AM
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35. We are not vegetarians
Edited on Thu Jun-30-11 12:44 AM by nadinbrzezinski
lord knows the conure would kill me if we stopped eating meat... (Yes the bird loves steak, and steak day is his favorite day... he actually does a birdie dance when it starts sizzling...)

BUT, we have lowered our consumption to making meat (or other sources of animal protein) a garnish, not the main deal.

Hey, they other day I was so happy. We had a really good cut of meat, about 9 oz, for the two adults and two conures... that comes to about three and a half ounces per human and about an oz for the two birds, for less than five bucks... less than three in fact... sales, I love them.

We feel much better, and blood chemistries are that much better and all that.

By the way... what is the recommended serving? Oh about 4 oz of meat, the palm of your hand, and a finger thick.

The recommendation of the UN is that other people around the developed world should do the same. It does help with energy consumption and global weather change. Oh and yes going partially vegetarian, aka having a meatless day, is also recommended. We manage, every so often Did I mention the conure who loves steak don't like days like that? It is actually funny to watch. That bird begs, and it is hilarious.


Oh forgot weights are after cooking...

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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 02:58 AM
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36. I've been a vegetarian since I was 7 years old
which means I've been a vegetarian for 50 years and I don't see myself changing. :-)
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 04:25 AM
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38. Eh. Most people don't start out at it. On my birthday, I will have been veggie for 26 years.
And I will be 26. Maybe being raised that way is different from just randomly deciding to be vegetarian?
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laundry_queen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 12:41 PM
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119. Probably
At my dd's home based daycare, the owner has been veggie all her life as well. That's just how she was raised. And that's what she serves at the daycare. She said she's never really been tempted by meat except maybe as a teen as a form of rebellion.
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 08:21 PM
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226. Rebellion. I feel the same way!
The teenage years were the only time I was considering eating meat. My brother was the same way, except he actually became a meat eater. That's something I definitely can relate to.
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 04:51 AM
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40. I've been a vegetarian for almost 30 years tho I've never
been a vegan. Lots more meatless choices when you are out and about now a days. Socially, I think it's easier to be Jewish and vegetarian. People are used to dietary restrictions to begin with.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 05:10 AM
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45. I know a kid who's refused all meat since he was old enough to communicate
Edited on Thu Jun-30-11 05:25 AM by eShirl
somewhere between weaning and before 2 years old, not sure exactly
(he's 10 or 11 now)

he loves milk and cheese though

edited to add: his parents are VERY MUCH omnivores, so he didn't get it from them
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 05:57 AM
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46. Y'all should join my Universal and Catholic Vegetarian Church
You eat da meat, you come to my church, you put your money in the box and go to confession. You get absolved of your sinful pleasure and resume your vegetarian ways with the grace and blessing of the flying prima vera spaghetti monster.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 06:01 AM
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47. So? nt
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 08:13 AM
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48. What does it matter, really?
Some people do one thing. Others do another. Vegetarianism is a choice people make. Some do it for a lifetime. Others do not. It's a choice.

I don't see the relevance of this at all. Dietary choices are just that.
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 08:21 AM
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49. i've been a vegetarian for 35 years this last April.
i cannot imagine the circumstances that would allow me to put an animal carcass in my mouth again without violently retching.
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chrisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 08:22 AM
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50. This is because,
being a vegetarian in a meat-centric culture such as ours is extremely difficult. I could only imagine being a vegan. :o
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 08:32 AM
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52. Makes sense to me
I eat much less meat now than I used to, which seems to be a natural trend as you grow older (I'm 61). I've no desire to eliminate it entirely from my diet, however, sine I enjoy it on occasion.

Having said that, I do think we need to reduce the amount of meat we eat, especially beef, because it is just too damn hard on the environment. I find it unconscionable to waste the resources we do producing massive amounts of beef protein in such a grossly inefficient manner.

Anyway, I have a hunch that the coming climate-change induced environmental collapse will produce a lot of floods, droughts, crop failures and food shortages that will limit our future food choices, and beef will become a very rare luxury food consumed by a few overlords.
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 08:37 AM
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53. I've been mostly a vegetarian for 24 years
I have periods within that time where I "fall of the wagon" and will eat meat for a few months then go back to not eating meat. I think in that time, I've been a meat eater for a total of 9-12 months.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 08:50 AM
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55. Gross.
My wife and I quit eating meat in '89 and even the thought of it makes me feel like puking. My daughters are 16, almost 18, and 20 and life-long vegetarians. The eldest two sampled it out of curiosity when they were young (pre-school) but I don't think the youngest has ever tried it. We had a simple rule - if they knew what they were eating, it was their choice. They've chosen to be vegetarian.

We eat eggs and dairy, so we aren't vegan, but we don't do fish. Meat just isn't "food". It's an ass volume supplement and nothing more.



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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 08:51 AM
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56. This is a conspiracy by the meat industry
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:03 AM
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67. uh - Okay - Yeah - Sure
:eyes:

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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:21 AM
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78. It is, along with the food coloring industry
I read about it in the dungeon :rofl:
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 05:51 PM
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147. Big Meat.
Wait -- that was my high school nickname. Nevermind.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 08:51 AM
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57. 40 years vegetarian here
5 years vegan....couldn't handle that
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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 09:40 AM
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60. I tried the vegetarian thing for about 6 months
Never lost the craving for meat. When I started to dream about hamburgers, I decided enough is enough. I'll never go back to a vegetarian diet. Best of luck to those who can do it though.



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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 09:48 AM
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62. LOL. 77 self-selected "former vegetarians." Great comments, too.
For example, one wrote, "I was very weak and sickly. I felt horrible even though I ate a good variety of foods like PETA said to."

Sounds a little more like the "People Eating Tasty Animals" contingent one finds on DU animal rights or vegetarian threads than a former vegetarian.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 06:00 PM
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150. I agree that a fucking joke study. I don't eat meat and bench more per pound that most meat eaters..
...in my gym.

I don't feel weak or sickly and don't look it either.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 09:55 AM
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64. I haven't had a bite of meat in almost 12 hours
But it hasn't affected my appetite.
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:38 AM
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80. That's getting dangerous
do you have any jerky or perhaps fried bacon handy? Your blood-meat levels must be crashing right now.

Get a cheeseburger stat!
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:02 AM
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66. Omnivore here who eats a lot of vegetables - 85%
I'd rather eat a bloody beet steak than tofu though (No misspelling there - B E E T - being served at a local omnivore restaurant).

Very pick about the meat we eat though. So we don't eat a lot. That that we do eat is expensive - grass fed, pastured, organic. But we're lucky that we can get it. If we couldn't we'd be even closer to vegetarian.

I'll echo Michael Pollan here - Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:05 AM
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68. Vegetarianism is a fad amongst many.
And it eventually passes.
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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 11:21 AM
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98. Like driving pickup trucks and SUV's?
Actions have consequences and count up sometimes. There are choices to be made and prices to pay.
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edbermac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:05 AM
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69. Been eating a lot of hummus for lunch lately.
Cut down a lot on red meat, chicken usually for dinner.
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:08 AM
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70. I could *maybe*
Go vegetarian - I really don't care for eggs at all, so that wouldn't be an issue for me, but no dairy? I'd starve to death. I don't think I've had a meal in recent memory that didn't include cheese in some shape or form. I certainly can't really start the day without a decent sized glass of milk (1% or 2%).

I lived with a vegan. I absolutely drew the line at drinking soy milk or eating soy cheese. Hell no.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:09 AM
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71. Interesting. I've been an on again, off again vegetarian for about 20 years.
Edited on Thu Jun-30-11 10:10 AM by Avalux
What I've learned is that I FEEL BETTER if I don't eat meat, so tend to not eat it. For 10 years was very strict ovo-lacto; now, I don't prepare meat at home but will eat it given no other options. No red meat though. I find my body doesn't like to digest it.

I also don't agree with mass breeding and raising of animals (factory farming)for the sole purpose of human consumption for pleasure. Humans do not need to consume meat to survive and be healthy.
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:09 AM
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72. Doesn't surprise me. I went veg in college and didn't do well on it.
OR I might say that I did a little too well, I lost so much weight. I ended up going to a couple of doctors over it and to quote one of them, " There's a Wendy's two blocks away. RUN, Don't Walk to Wendys."
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:11 AM
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73. That happened to my vegan friend
She was skin and bones. I can't do without dairy for that very same reason. I lose weight at the drop of a hat - I *need* a glass of milk every day.
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:17 AM
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75. What happened was there was an gland or something that was sticking out. I thought it might have
been a tumor or something. So that's when I went to the doctors.
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rusty fender Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:18 AM
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76. I've been an ovo-lacto vegetarian since 1978
and meat still grosses me out! :puke:
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:21 AM
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77. I have been and still am a vegetarian
since the middle '90s. And now just the thought of going back to eating meat turns my stomach.
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:39 AM
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81. If they could only find a way to make celery taste like filet-mignon
it really isn't fair competition.

There's a reason you have to force kids to eat their vegetables, but generally not their steak.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 11:17 AM
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97. Kids--well it depends how they're raised
My sister raised her son to be a vegetarian from birth. Now she's gone back to eating some meat, but he is strictly vegetarian (in his 20's). I'm sure he never will eat meat. That guy gets into a groove and stays there. I'm not an advocate for vegetarianism, but I disagree that children automatically go for meat over vegetables & dairy. Depends how it's introduced to them.
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 11:36 AM
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102. So she only gave him vegetables
rather than letting him choose.

Think about that for a moment. To become a lifelong vegetarian in that scenario he had to be denied the option of having meat.

Whereas we don't have to force kids to only eat meat throughout their entire childhood to get them to enjoy it.
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cemaphonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 02:31 PM
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138. My 4-year-old prefers vegetables to meat most of the time.
Of course, he'd eat nothing but bread and rice if he could, but it's usually easier to get him to eat some vegetables than meat.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:43 AM
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82. I did after five years...
I was anemic, had lost half my hair, my nails peeled to the point of pain and infection, had insomnia, my skin was like tissue paper, my joints ached, I had almost constant headaches and backaches... and this all under the guidance of nutritionists and doctors. Proper food balances, close watch on protein intake, vitamin supplements, etc.

It took three years to get sick, and I suffered for two more.

All better now. I don't eat much beef, but I eat chicken, fish, eggs, yogurt and cheese.
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:56 AM
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88. ouch n/t
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 11:08 AM
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96. Mmm...yoghurt...
That's pretty a pretty harsh reaction of your body, but I'm glad you're doing better. It is, however, a good example of how we're not all the same and don't all have the same needs. Apparently some of us can do the meatless thing, and some of us like me and you can't do without it.

Kinda funny how we're supposed to embrace diversity, but we're supposed to all be carbon copies of each other biologically :p
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 11:37 AM
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103. "we're supposed to embrace diversity"
Now THAT is hitting the nail squarely on the head!

We are all different. You wouldn't think of giving sugary meals to a diabetic, or mass breads, pastas and grains to someone intolerant to gluten, but we should all be able to do without meat? Doesn't make even the slightest bit of sense, now does it?
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:48 AM
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84. I no longer feel safe eating raw veggies
I love fruit, but I'm wary of the safety of fruit as well. Basically, I feel slightly safer cooking everything.
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craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:51 AM
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85. I've beein without it since 1996.
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:54 AM
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87. Three years. n/t
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:57 AM
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90. I was a vegetarian for many years, but was very unhealthy. Severely anemic.
I started slowly incorporating meat back into my diet, but in very moderate amounts.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 02:54 PM
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140. I found that taking a B-12 vitamin supplies a lot of protein,
at least in my case it does.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 06:01 PM
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151. It was only "unhealthy" because you didn't know what you were doing. nt.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 11:07 PM
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164. Hmmm... you seem to know a lot about me, huh?
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RyanPsych Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:58 AM
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91. Three years and counting
my meat loving (perhaps poor choice of words) boyfriend hates it. haha. Everytime we go out, he tried to get me to eat turkey or chicken.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:58 AM
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92. Pretty much my experience.
Edited on Thu Jun-30-11 10:59 AM by Xithras
I'll go vegetarian for short periods, but I can't last more than a month. The longest stretch I had ended horribly the first time I went for a BBQ at the lake. Couldn't resist the tri-tip.

My youngest sister is a better vegetarian, and has gone years without eating meat...but she always eventually caves. She'll go a few years without meat, go omnivore for a few months, complain about her ass getting fat, and go vegetarian again.

I have a few other vegetarian friends and family members. Every one of them has gone back to eating meat, at least briefly, several times since doing so.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:59 AM
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93. I have nothing to add but needed to post and tell you that and talk about my diet so all you will
know exactly what I eat, for how long, my health and emotional reasons for doing so and add in a pre-defensive snark against everyone else. If I feel I can one-up anyone that scores more points for me also.

That said, interesting article and funny replies.
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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 11:04 AM
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94. Post a poll here and we'll probably get more participants than the study
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 11:06 AM
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95. Does that mean I can have butter on my
:popcorn: ?
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toddwv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 11:22 AM
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99. This wasn't a study, it was survey.
The entire "75%" seems to be based on the concluding line:

"And among those groceries there is likely to be plenty of meat; only 2 percent of Americans consider themselves vegetarians. Another 6 percent say they once were, but no longer are vegetarian."

I've known quite a few people who went "vegetarian" but had no idea how to cook for themselves which inevitably ends in reverting to an omnivore lifestyle.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 11:36 AM
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101. My son went 6 years as a vegan. My daughter is an ovo-lacto-pesco
Edited on Thu Jun-30-11 11:36 AM by tblue37
vegetarian, but she became a vegetarian because she is a doctor and has had naturally high cholesterol problems since she was about 21. She didn't want to take cholesterol meds for the rest of her life, so she follows a very strict low-cholesterol diet and controls her cholesterol very well that way.

She also gave up most meat because she doesn't like to eat anything that looks like what she was always cutting up in lab classes! Hers was a medical and psychological choice, not a values choice.

My son was very cause-oriented as a teen, which he why he became vegan and committed for years to the Food Not Bombs movement. (He no longer is as far left as I am, though.)

When he was in the grocery store one day at age 20, he was looking at the cost of many of the products he bought to make sure he was getting sufficient nutrition, and he compared their price to that of a 45-cent can of tuna. That's when he decided to start eating some fish.

Then, as a waiter, he decided one day to have the cook at work prepare him a small breakfast steak, just as an experiment. The cook misunderstood his request and prepared a nice dinner steak instead.

My son later said it tasted sooooooo good, but what really struck him was how he felt the rest of the day. He had more energy than he'd had in years. "Mom," he said, "I felt like I could run two miles--and then come back and pain the house!"

So he started eating meat, milk, and eggs again. All of a sudden he needed less sleep and his minor boo-boos healed much faster than they had been doing when he was a vegan. He also had more free time because he didn't have to eat all darned day! (I always called it grazing.)

I know vegans and vegetarians can get proper nutrition, but they have to be very diligent about what they eat and when they eat, and they do need to eat frequently during the day. A teenager I tutor who is a vegetarian is always so tired and draggy that his vegetarian parents have started giving him a little bit of chicken each day, just to make sure he gets sufficient protein during his teenage growing years. He doesn't actually like the chicken, because he's been raised a vegetarian, but he says it does make him feel stronger and more energetic.

We are evolved to be omnivores. Eating meat is one of the ways our early ancestors provided sufficient nutrients to their oversized brains without ahving to spend so much time feeding that they could not do anything else.

Modern life is much less demanding in that sense, so a vegetarian can get by without meat, but it really is easier to get what we need if we ingest a certain amount of animal protein each day--though the amount the body actually needs is much smaller than what most Americans consume at any given meal!

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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 02:33 AM
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192. What utter crap. n/t
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 11:38 AM
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104. I am exhibit 1 of this study...
Though I don't ever eat Beef, Pork or Lamb. Just chicken and fish, life is just so much easier that way. I agree with a lot of what vegetarians say about meat and I eat as low on the food chain as I can given the realities of my life.
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 11:49 AM
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105. I thought this LA Times article on Tal Ronnen was pretty interesting,
despite a somewhat uncritical division of vegifolk into 'militants' and the 'new breed.' I suspect the all-or-nothing perspective drives a lot of people away from veg-leaning diets, and the 75% in the OP may still be pretty low on meat eating...

"Be a 'vegan' who eats bacon." :)

http://www.latimes.com/features/food/la-fo-tal-ronnen-2...

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MattSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 12:03 PM
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106. Well see, there's this thing called EVOLUTION...
Meat has been a part of the human diet for as long as there have been humans. While I don't doubt that some people can minimize or eliminate meat without a problem, a large number of people will not function properly without meat and diary in their diet.

As far as I'm concerned, if you say you believe in evolution, and don't believe this, then you don't really believe in evolution. Or you don't understand the concept. Sorry, but that's how I see things!
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 12:08 PM
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107. Stop making sense.
Edited on Thu Jun-30-11 12:10 PM by Gregorian
I am very unhappy about corporate animal farming. But that's the result of overpopulation. Meat is what we lived on for all of our history. You kill an animal, and it's food for a week. This is before cars were invented. You had to work to live. Dairy, on the other hand we don't need. We were not running after animals to milk them. That just didn't happen, except for maybe goats. Dairy is something to avoid. But meat is crucial in our diet. Not the meat we buy today. Lean, wild meat.

It's sad to see people so out of touch. Processed death. Commercially raised death. And we wonder why we're sick.


I forgot to say my biggest point is that people who are vegetarians because they don't like how animals are raised are actually not clear that the issue they're talking about is population of the human. I always get denier replies to this. I don't know why it's so hard for most people to see.
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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 12:14 PM
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110. +1
The issue with factory farms is a direct function of overpopulation. If someone really wants to have an impact on the environment, then they would give up having children instead of giving up meat.
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 12:27 PM
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116. No one knows when, why or how
Edited on Thu Jun-30-11 01:02 PM by frogmarch
early humans began to eat meat. They may have started out as scavengers, taking what lions jackals left behind. When humans began to hunt, they may have cooked meat for the purpose of tenderizing it, or maybe they preferred the taste of cooked meat to raw meat. I think if we're going to use the "our primitive ancestors ate meat" reason for eating meat, we should eat it raw.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 01:43 PM
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131. All true- but you only give us half the story.
Edited on Thu Jun-30-11 01:45 PM by Dr Fate
You are right that we have evolved to crave sugar and fat, and we are programmed to eat as much of it as we can get in one sitting.

Back in the Cave man days you had to chase your meat for 5 miles before you got to eat it, assuming you even got your kill.

The earliest man did not eat meat on a daily basis, and when he did, is was only after hours if not days of strenous tracking and hunting (exercise).

Same with sugar- it was only during certain seasons that fruit was ripe and available- but when it was, we chowed down on it b/c our bodies did not know when we would get it again.

Compare this to now-a-days- where we can and do eat as much sugar and fat as we can afford, 24/7.

Our bodies may not have evolved too much since those days, but our knowledge of nutrition certainly has.

If we were eating the same amount of fat and sugar as did ancient man under the same strenous do-or-die survival conditons, your point would be stronger. An ancient hunting party vs. stopping by McDonalds 3 times a week is not comparable.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 12:49 AM
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177. Laughable. n/t
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FreeJoe Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 12:12 PM
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108. I love vegetarians
They let me have their bacon.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 12:17 PM
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111. culture war
personally... I love eating meat, but I think this issue has become a political football game... dumb.
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 12:23 PM
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114. It has - there are fundamentalist carnivores and fundamentalist vegans.
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guardian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 12:26 PM
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115. Time for a KFC Double Down "Sandwich"
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 01:46 PM
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132. Ironic food is FUNNY! Eating garbage is HILARIOUS!
Edited on Thu Jun-30-11 01:46 PM by Dr Fate
Extra mayo please! LOL! Look at me, I eat crap- and it's FUNNY!

LOL!
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Hun Joro Donating Member (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 12:28 PM
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117. I think the reason people go veg determines staying power.
I've been veg since 1961 and the very thought of animal flesh is abhorrent to me. People who go veg for health reasons are likely to go back, just like with any dietary changes people make for health. People who do it for ethical reasons, who do it because they see other creatures as sentient, feeling beings who want to live as much as we do, will generally never eat meat.
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erickregger Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 12:39 PM
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118. Been a vegetarian for about 12 years now.
I became a vegetarian primarily because I found putting dead flesh in my mouth to be pretty disgusting. Seafood is the worse. I can't eat anything around seafood. Pork smells like wet dog. Beef is so fatty it's gross. And poultry is so full of chemicals that you can taste it.

Why would anyone eat corporate meat? I say if you're going to eat meat, eat organic. Hunt your own. Me, I'd rather stick with my tofu.

I've been working a lot lately, and lifting weights. A standard vegetarian diet doesn't give you enough protein for that. And vegan? Forget it. Thankfully there's always whey protein powder. If it wasn't for that I would have to go back to eating meat, and I really don't want to shove dead things in my face.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 12:44 PM
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120. My experience among vegetarians is that weakness and a general malaise eventually set in. nt
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 05:52 PM
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148. Then you don't know many. nt
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:27 AM
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204. Straight-edge vegetarian who is into '90s "slowcore" (read: opiate inspired) music?
You sound like a BLAST at parties, dude! :party: :toast:
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 03:07 PM
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236. LMAO!
I'll be with the nerds in the corner playing D&D and conspicuously Not Drinking. :D
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 01:26 AM
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180. Really?
Meet you at the gym. We can test that "experience" out firsthand.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 01:29 AM
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181. Weakness and malaise!
Remind me to tell vegan 2.0 about that in the morning, he'll have a good laugh.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:28 AM
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205. I know, that's a big word, right? I guess I should've said "tired all the time".
Better? :silly:
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 12:00 PM
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210. Let's just say that my experience doesn't match with yours.
And of course I know what the word means, for heaven's sake.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 04:40 PM
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222. OK, but why bring hostility into it?
Edited on Fri Jul-01-11 04:42 PM by Romulox
:hi:

"And of course I know what the word means, for heaven's sake."

It's called "snark". I was pretending as if my word choice had caused you offense, rather than the content of my post (but I knew it was the content all along!). Well, you know what they say about a joke that has to be explained...
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 05:36 PM
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223. What hostility?
I was laughing with flvegan at the "weakness and malaise" bit because it's one hundred and eighty degrees from observable reality, and because jokes about his weakness and poor physical condition due to his veganism are a running joke between he and I.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:25 AM
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203. Yuh-huh. Interesting that you take my anecdotal experience as a personal affront.
"Meet you at the gym. We can test that "experience" out firsthand."

Yes, yes. I get that you're a macho vegetarian. The half-dozen or so vegetarians I've known over the years have all abandoned the diet after experiencing, among other things, noticeable loss of muscle mass.

That doesn't mean you can't effectively train your muscles while eating a vegetarian diet--just that it appears to be considerably harder to do so, especially over the medium long term.

"We can test that 'experience' out firsthand."

No matter the result, new anecdotal evidence doesn't have the capability of refuting old anecdotal evidence. It just becomes additional anecdotal evidence. Do you see why? :silly:
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 12:50 PM
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121. I don't blame them. nt
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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 01:18 PM
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123. I would imagine that most of them became a vegetarian b/c it's become trendy
It seems lately that it's become the trendy thing to eat only locally-grown, organic, grass fed, free range, artisan, etc food. But if you've ever been to whole foods, that stuff is damn expensive. How many chic 20 somethings became a vegetarian/vegan just because "its the thing to do", then realized they couldn't afford that lifestyle.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 01:22 PM
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124. Probably true. My guess is their health does not improve much as a result.
It would be interesting to do a b/f and after as to weight, cholesterol, back pain, energy levels, skin, etc. and see in which era they enjoyed better health.
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 01:29 PM
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129. You can be vegetarian and be fat
and you can be not vegetarian and be healthy. Neither option is inherently healthier. I don't think health is the best reason to become a vegetarian (and I am one)
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 01:35 PM
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130. I was fat and in poor health before I started eating less meat,
So while you might be right, I cant say it worked out that way for me. What you are saying seems to be the opposite of what we have heard our whole lives- that you are what you eat.

I'd say that for me, eating less meat was CERTAINLY healthier- cholesteral is at healthy levels WITHOUT the use of drugs, energy level is back to how it was when I was in my 20's, no more gut, no more fat neck & chin, no more back pains. Another weird thing that happened is my eye sight improved to the point where I had to get new glasses.

I think health is great reason to switch to a more plant based diet- it certainly worked for me.

We will both agree that if people just watched what they ate and put more thought into it, they would be healthier.
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 02:30 PM
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137. Well, it's true that an all-meat diet would be extremely unhealthy
and it's also true that a no-meat diet can be very healthy. But if you like to eat meat, you can do so in moderation and still be healthy. For me, I just don't want to support the industry, and I have a hard time justifying eating something I wouldn't produce myself, and I can't see myself killing something for food, given other options.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 07:34 PM
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158. I was unhealthy b/c I ate meat daily, not b/c I ate nothing but meat.
other than that, I agree with your last post.
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Abq_Sarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 02:54 AM
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232. And I was the opposite
Sky high cholesterol and excess weight on a mostly plant and grain based diet. When I ditched the grains, ate more animal fat and protein and stuck to dark green veggies, the weight melted off and my health improved immeasurably.

We're not all the same. If you're on the large side, it may not be that little meat patty but the flour in the buns that's packing on the pounds.
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 01:53 PM
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134. Being a vegetarian is expensive. I quit the first time for financial reasons.
I have been a vegetarian for 3.5 months now.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 11:09 PM
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165. Huh?
I guess maybe it is if you're buying a ton of processed crap or dairy. I've been vegan for almost a decade, it's a running joke among my friends that I pinch pennies until they bleed, and my kid and I eat damned well. One thing I do is that I make a point of making one big thing ahead every weekend to freeze. A few weeks ago I made lasagna, because noodles, tomatoes and spinach had all been on sale. I froze the extra and am thawing it out as needed. This past weekend I made seitan, the ingredients cost $5ish and I have tasty mockmeat for days. I bought a soymilk maker and now I get organic soymilk for pennies- I make plain for cooking but I still spring for the chocolate kind to drink because I like it.
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 11:14 PM
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168. Where do you live?
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 11:16 PM
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169. Sacramento.
:shrug:
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 03:00 AM
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195. I live in the bay area it costs more.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 12:04 PM
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212. Veg stuff is mostly cheaper there.
I make a point of stopping at Rainbow Grocery when I'm over that direction, and the 99 Ranch was another favorite of mine before we got one out here in the provinces.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 01:41 PM
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218. What? There are incredibly cheap Indian veg buffets all over the Bay
:freak:
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 11:21 PM
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171. So glad I started making my own seitan.
Easy as heck and vital gluten is shockingly inexpensive.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 11:23 PM
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172. It tastes so much better too.
I mix a little nutritional yeast into the mix so I figure mine's probably more nutritious than the stuff in those overpriced little tubs at the store.

I think tempeh might be my next project.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 11:20 PM
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170. Vegetables are quite inexpensive. Lentils, beans, and rice
Edited on Thu Jun-30-11 11:20 PM by Codeine
are so cheap as to be essentially free. Processed veggie burgers and such are often a bit pricey, but they're hardly a necessity.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 01:57 PM
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135. Oh look, another study on vegetarianism that completely ignores India.
Shall I bother to feign surprise?
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 05:53 PM
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149. Snap!
Well played, sir.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 01:43 PM
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220. Well, it's true that 30% of the Indian population is a very, very small number.
:rofl:
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War Horse Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 02:51 PM
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139. Kudos to those who make a choice and manage to stick with it
If I were to ever become a vegetarian, or vegan, it would have to be for ethical reasons. Much about industrial agriculture bothers me (a lot), for example.

As for health reasons - there are healthy and unhealthy vegetarians and carnivores, people are perfectly able to each like crap regardless. I see nothing inherently unhealthy about eating quality meat as part of a sound eating scheme.

Not sure I could go vegetarian/vegan myself.

I'm kind of nuts about protein intake, for example (I'm a lifter too)... Although I'm sure it can be done (and it has - google Bill Pearl).
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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 03:14 PM
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142. Life is too short to deny myself key pleasures
Eating a nice grilled bone-in ribeye with a quality glass of wine is one of my life pleasures.

I do make sure I buy non-factory farmed meat though.

No surprise people start down the vegetarian route and find the sacrifice too much.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 07:49 PM
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159. Life is even shorter if you eat too much unhealthy food.
Edited on Thu Jun-30-11 08:02 PM by Dr Fate
But I'm with you on the family farm raised meat, in moderation, of course.
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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 07:03 AM
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197. Exercise.
I run 20+ miles each week and have completed 8 marathons. Moderation and exercise.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 02:09 AM
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191. YOUR life is too (sic) short
I give you credit. At least you admit it.

If you'll excuse me, I'm going to go evaluate what key pleasures I'm missing out on based on...oh, nevermind. It won't matter. Suffering isn't mine, so who cares, right?
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 06:38 PM
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156. More plants for me!
I'm coming up on a decade of being vegan, and you can definitely put me down in the "permanent life choice" camp.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 11:10 PM
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166. alert
Sounds a little too much like "pro-life", nice try troll.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 11:11 PM
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167. Is fetus helper vegan?
I'm going to have to call up flvegan for a ruling.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 12:03 AM
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175. I fully expect him to rule in my favor
Unless you go outside the rules of war and use your feminine wiles on him.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 12:07 AM
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176. Feminine wiles? I don't know that I have any.
I guess I could try bribing him with food- I'm pretty sure my hold over him is largely gluten-based.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 02:02 AM
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188. *gavel*
Seitan has it.

Sorry dude, you'd understand. It's sooooooooo tasty!
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 02:55 AM
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193. damn I didn't even put up a fight nt
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 09:02 PM
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230. Typical arrogant vegan response.
I keed! I keed!
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 09:44 PM
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161. Betting that most still try to keep the percent of their diets as vegetarian high.
Most of the examples I know of stick with grass fed meat or wild caught fish, the expense tending to make them use smaller amounts.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:58 PM
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163. I heard something similar about lesbians
but I think my fiance' lostinva might be an effing liar on that one.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 01:35 AM
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182. .
:rofl:
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 02:56 AM
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194. ohh now you laugh after you rule against me
:)
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 01:06 AM
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179. Thank the sweet Lord that DU is still DU on this fine Friday morning.
"The most common reason former vegetarians cited as the reason they returned to meat was declining health."

Okay, we get it. Nutrition isn't something you have a studied grasp on. In America, I'm not surprised.

"Other former vegetarians cited persistent physical weakness despite eating a whole foods, PETA recommended diet while others returned to meat at the recommendation of their doctor."

So we're back to a lack of education followed by adhering to a website's suggestions and the recommendation of yet another person that likely knows little about nutrition.

But then:

I just felt hungry all the time and that hunger would not be satisfied unless I ate meat. and "Starving college student + First night back home with the folks + Fifty or so blazin buffalo wings waiting in the kitchen = Surrender." That's science. No really, somewhere it is.

The downward spiral ends with input from the "author's" take on something from Weston Price. Hey, the 1940's called and they want their incorrect nutrition info back, chilly. Thanks.

But hey, I'll take 9 years over nothing any day. That's a lot of animals spared, environment not fucked up and health of the gobbler not hurt. Win/win/win.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 07:18 AM
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198. Humans are by nature omnivores.
I think coming back to meat is the default for many people.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 01:42 PM
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219. You DO realize that means we can survive w/o meat, right?
Omnivores are not obligate carnivores.
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 05:39 PM
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224. I'll happily be somewhat vegetarian. Just as long as I can get bacon.
Not eating the tofu though. Even if it's bacon flavored.
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kornovol Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 03:41 AM
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196. here yea
I feel there's a place for meat & fish, just look at monkeys, they'll eat anything
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RoryK Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:06 AM
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200. Resistence is futile.
I've never even THOUGHT of giving up the barb. ;-)
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:47 AM
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207. It's interesting that so many vegans/vegetarians get mad when they read this.
I mean, who cares? No one is going to force YOU to eat meat.


Why the obsession- the endless obsession- over what other people put on their forks?
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 01:45 PM
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221. We are nagged about our dietary choices constantly.
You don't think that leads to defensiveness? Just a little? Well, OK then.
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Mendocino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 08:57 PM
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229. You got it.
When someone tells me how much they like to eat meat, I nod my head. When I tell them I'm vegan they go ballistic.
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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 09:40 PM
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231. "When I tell them I'm vegan they go ballistic."
That's it, exactly. It's like an affront to them that anyone could even conceive of the idea not to eat meat, but to do so voluntarily is as bad as telling them that you just killed their family pet. And I don't really understand that reaction, either. I'm like, "What did I say?"

I'm not vegan, but when anyone has asked if I was, they react like they are relieved I haven't gone "that far." :eyes:

And, inevitably, one of them must point out how much they love their meat. Next time someone does that, I'm going to ask them what's their technique for grappling the cow and then rendering it dead with their front and lateral incisors :P
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 05:57 PM
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225. Because others always seem to be obsessed about what we don't put on our forks
continually putting us down. I think some actually would like to force meat down us if it was possible for them to do so. I am defensive about being a vegetarian because it seems I'm continually put in the position of defending my choice.
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propagandagirl Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 11:58 AM
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209. Not this one!
19 years and counting! My twin girls, who have never eaten red meat, gave up chicken and turkey a few years ago. One is vegetarian and one is vegan.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 12:08 PM
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216. 15 years +
I will never go back. It is moral choice for me. I really can not bear to eat another being that experiences, joy, sadness, fear, love, etc.
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 08:29 PM
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227. If you want a heart-healthy diet, become a vegan.
75 - 80% of the cholesterol in our body is manufactured in the liver from saturated fats. All saturated fats come from animals, animal byproducts like milk and cheese, and a few tropical vegetable oils. Avoid those, reduce cholesterol.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 03:34 AM
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233. it isn't a psychology today study that said 75%
If you check the sources at the bottom of the article, the psychology today article actually gets that number from a CBS report from 2005 which said that three times as many people admit to being ex-vegetarians as vegetarian, and so PT concluded that 75% of vegetarians return to meat. Not exactly scientific, of course.

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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 04:40 AM
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235. In some places, like Texas, there are times when staying vegetarian
can be difficult. Most restaurants don't have vegetarian alternatives here, and if a veg is traveling with nonveg friends and family, you hate to be the one constantly fussing about where you can/can't eat. I'm in Texas and alot of places, especially in smaller towns, don't have many alternatives at all, meaning you never get much of a break out of the kitchen.
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