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AverageJoe90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 04:56 PM
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WW3 Fearmongering: Questions & Speculation, among other things.
Edited on Wed Jun-29-11 04:56 PM by AverageJoe90
Hey folks. I was a veteran part-time lurker until recently, and wanted to bring something up.

Has anybody noticed that the fearmongering about a supposed WW3 has started to crop up like crazy here, especially since the Arab Spring started to get going?

AboveTopSecret user jude11 posted this not long ago:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread721222/pg1

I don't doubt that another significant conflict could occur within the next 2-6 months but WW3? C'mon.

Reasons why a nuclear WW3 won't happen now:
1. The world economy is in the toilet.
2. The Russian military is underfunded & definitely behind us in technology in many respects, China can't afford to lose it's biggest markets, and India is a friend of ours. And our country has spent more than $2 trillion on these past 2 wars. Can we really afford it anyway?
3. Do you think Moscow would be foolish enough to sacrifice their own countrymen for a nation{Iran. N. Korea applies here, too, though} which doesn't really even respect them? Even Washington and Beijing aren't going to go there{at least not anymore.}
4. Remember, there have been crises much worse than this current one; Vietnam, for instance. Or how about the Cuban Missile Crisis? Both the Washington & Moscow establishment figures were deadly paranoid of one another and this really was a time where an actual nuclear conflict could have occurred at any time.

Honestly, I can't help but think that some of this stuff may be a distraction of a sort.......you know what I mean?
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 05:35 PM
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1. Well, Israel is a nuclear power; and under Netanyahu, is batshit crazy.
And our "friends" India and Pakistan are both nuclear powers who hate each others' guts.
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 05:55 PM
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2. " fearmongering about a supposed WW3 has started to crop up like crazy here"
Edited on Wed Jun-29-11 05:56 PM by zappaman
I must have missed those threads.
And using abovetopsecret as your example doesn't strengthen your case.
that site is swimming in tinfoil.
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AverageJoe90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 06:07 PM
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4. I can agree. Tinfoil is everywhere.
And in fact, that's one of the reasons why I posted from that site, to show you an example of just why I think most of these WW3 predictions are utter B.S.

{P.S., when I said 'here', I meant the Internet in general. Sorry about the confusion. =)}
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 05:58 PM
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3. The end of the world will start in India and Pakistan.
Even a limited nuclear war between those two will release enough fallout to irradiate large parts of China, and will bring about the nuclear winter scenario.
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AverageJoe90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 10:30 PM
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5. China could get involved..........
And they'd be at risk of getting hit by MORE than just fallout..........what could make things even worse is there is one plausible scenario concerning Russia; they could side with India, if only perhaps to avoid an incursion of any surviving Chinese military units into Siberia, or something similar.....although that could very well get them bombed.

If all this were to go down, I do hope the U.S. would have the good sense to back out of this conflict just so we don't lose any lives to anything other than perhaps a little fallout over time.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 10:38 PM
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8. Are you kidding - the US would be very much involved
The minute that a nuke goes off in either Pakistan or India, you can bet your ass the US will be sending in Special Forces to try and seize Pakistan's nukes. The fear would be that amidst all the confusion and "fog of war", one or more of those nukes would somehow find their way over to the US.
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AverageJoe90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 10:51 PM
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11. Unfortunately, that is quite possible.
And in fact, it does appear that the likelihood of a nuclear terrorist attack on the U.S. is steadily going up year by year......
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 10:43 PM
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9. Hey there IS a bright side!
Global Weather change will stop!

Oh yes, in case it is needed...

:sarcasm:
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 10:34 PM
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6. Not just WW3, but this end of the world Mayan calendar crap too
It's all a distraction
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 10:45 PM
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10. Well the long count IS comming to an end
but your calendar comes to an end every year.

This is actually millennial thinking... and it happens like clockwork.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 10:57 PM
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14. Maybe the Mayans assumed we'd have our own damned calendars by now?
Or that if they were still around, they'd just come up with a new one?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 12:25 AM
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15. Or the long count would start on the first day of the new
long count... the Mayan Calendar, whether you are talking of the religious, civil, or long count, is a marvel of math... in fact more exact than our Gregorian calendar.

But like the gregorian calendar, on the first day of the new year, it is the first day of the new year. I am sure if the Maya were still around there would have been some sacrifices to assuage Kukulkan, but after that... it is a calendar.
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AverageJoe90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 10:52 PM
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12. Darn straight.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 10:36 PM
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7. What happens when Saudi Arabia and Iran both have nukes?
Nuclear war won't start with Russia, the US, or China. It will be some other country, such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Pakistan, or North Korea.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 10:56 PM
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13. Agree - there are real problems, but war is unlikely to be one
Maybe ten or twenty years if things go down the wrong road, but domestic problems are the main thing on most every country's plate now. War solves none of that, as even the most hawkish repugs here would probably admit now.

I take it as idle fear-mongering, recycling of old ideas out of the complete lack of new ideas.
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AverageJoe90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 05:41 PM
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16. Let's hope so.
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