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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:14 PM Original message |
I think that the president is making a political mistake |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
1. Marriage equality is no longer the reliable wedge issue |
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CaliforniaPeggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
2. He's doing more than just alienating us... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
32. Obama seems perfectly strong enough to protect his corporate decisions ... no doubt about that-! |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
3. He might be making a mistake. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:23 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Yeah, heaven forbid he come across as an actual supporter of equality. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. I think so, too. It was just a question. Could it have affected |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 05:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
61. How, exactly, would he do this? |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. He could say that society recognizes that marriage is a valued right. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 09:03 AM Response to Reply #62 |
75. If he said that I would be very grateful. I don't expect anything more from him right now. |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #62 |
77. Since that statement is in the context of the NY law... |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. My OP is a reference to his citation of states's rights. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. I understand. My question is if it might have made a difference |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. I know that you are a strong ally. I've seen your posts here. I appreciate them. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:55 PM Response to Reply #5 |
36. Dem Party didn't care much for "states rights" in 2000 when Florida State SC mandated counting |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
6. Political calculation is more important than the quality of a persons' life. nt |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. My point is that his political calculation is flawed. I think it will backfire. |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:28 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I understood your point and agree. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:57 PM Response to Reply #8 |
38. If it is a political calculation to send coded messages to South ... it's vile ... |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:59 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Defending unions in the south would certainly lose him the election. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 03:06 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Because the people don't understand that labor has the right to unionize? |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 03:08 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Total brainwash in the south regarding worker's rights. Simply not on the radar. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 03:31 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Goebbels style propaganda has long lasting effects -- !! |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 07:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
64. Many would counter with, President Romney would make life worse for a whole lot of people |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
7. I've said it before - I don't think that Obama opposes marriage equality... |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. My OP is a reference to Obama's deliberate citation of states' rights. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
11. In the case of marriage, there is not supposed to be a federal law....... |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. The trouble is that there IS such a law: DOMA. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. My understanding again, as far as Pres. Obama is concerned, |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:46 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. As long as same sex marriage is not recognized as valid |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Heterosexual marriage in all states is recognized by the federal government. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #15 |
28. I don't see it...... |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. I'm worried that he's going to lose North Carolina. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:54 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. I'm afraid President Obama is on a tightrope with no |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 11:01 PM Response to Reply #35 |
69. He didn't have to bring up states' rights. He didn't have to say anything at all. |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #15 |
44. +1. Well said, yardwork. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. Thank you! |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Marriage, and when it is recognized has a direct impact |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:43 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. loving vs virginia |
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girl_interrupted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 11:28 PM Response to Reply #11 |
70. Loving v Virginia: Legalizing Interracial marriage |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
18. I think you are confusing "state's rights" with "state issues" |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. I listened to his speech and I know what I heard. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #19 |
30. That is why DOMA needs to be overturned |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:42 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. The problem is in federal RECOGNITION of marriage. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Thank you for that very clear explanation. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. My pleasure. That's been a stumbling block all along. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:47 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. I totally agree with that |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:49 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. I wish I were able to believe that it would get past the SCOTUS. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 03:02 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. Not necessarily |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
23. Bush never tried to cave to liberals, so Obama shouldn't cave with conservatives. n/t |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
27. Not just trying to appease white racists - it's also trying to appease homophobes. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:52 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. I'm sure that he thinks that appeasing homophobes is a winning strategy in the south |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
37. Of course. n/t |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
43. do progressives get angry about the term states rights? |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #43 |
58. you misunderstand the term "states rights". |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
45. Very selective states rights, at that |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 03:49 PM Response to Reply #45 |
54. Yes there is that as well, isn't there... |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 04:45 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. Yep, that and the calculation in it. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 03:49 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. Very good point! |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 04:17 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Very good OP! |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
47. K&R |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
48. k&r |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
49. Honestly, I think the President is wrestling with reconciling his personal vs. religious beliefs. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Deleted message |
yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. If that is the case, why was he in favor of equal marriage in 1996? |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. I don't believe that. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 07:17 PM Response to Reply #53 |
66. Seriously, do a public opinion poll on people with Ivy League graduate degrees... |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 03:51 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. John Edwards said he was trying to cross that bridge... |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. i disagree, i don't think Obama really opposes same sex marriage, it's just political strategy on |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 07:04 PM Response to Reply #49 |
63. If he thinks his personal religious beliefs trump someone else's rights, |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 07:14 PM Response to Reply #49 |
65. The President started going to church when he decided to become a politician |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 11:30 PM Response to Reply #49 |
71. For 20 years Obama was a member of the United Church of Christ |
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John Paul Jones (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
67. States rights are a big deal to anyone who understands the Constitution. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 07:27 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. The country would have collapsed during the Great Depression (if not sooner)... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 07:48 AM Response to Reply #68 |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 08:13 AM Response to Reply #67 |
73. Federalism is the supreme power when states laws conflict |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 08:28 AM Response to Reply #73 |
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76. If you shift your thinking just a little bit... |
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