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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:38 PM
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How many democrats called for Clinton to resign in the 90s?
Nancy Pelosi was in the house at the time, did she call for Clinton to resign? Did any other democrats call for him to resign?

Not that I'm aware of. So why the absolute hypocrisy here? All Weiner did was send some photos. Bill Clinton actually had sex and lied under oath. This double standard is sickening.
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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:41 PM
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1. I think there were a few
But clearly clinton didn't listen and he came back stronger for it.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:42 PM
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2. Joe Lieberman for one, although he's not a Democrat anymore
But just to be clear, Bill Clinton did not lie under oath.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:44 PM
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4. What do you mean he didn't lie under oath?
Edited on Thu Jun-16-11 02:45 PM by no limit
The question was if he had sex with her, and he said no, right?
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:49 PM
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10. In an interview, he said . . .
"I did not have sex with that woman. Miss Lewinsky." Media interviews, with very rare exceptions, are not conducted under oath. When he was under oath at his deposition, Clinton did not make that statement.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 03:09 PM
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15. I am not talking about what he said in the media
I am talking about what he said to a grandy jury. if he didnt' lie under oath why was his law license suspended?
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:57 PM
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14. He lied, but did not commit perjury.
Perjury requires certain elements which were not present when the lie people refer to, the Deposition in the Paula Jones case, was supposedly told.

To meet the standards of perjury, a lie, which in itself is not illegal, must have a material affect on the case itself. The Paula Jones case was dismissed on its merits. Also the questions in the deposition that led to the supposed lies, were NOT about Paula Jones, but about Monica Lewinsky and any responses to those questions may not have had a material effect on the case if it had gone forward.

But since the case was dismissed anyhow, no lie told in depositions could affect it.

But I get the point. His lies had a far worse effect on the country than Weiner's. Still, I am glad he did not quit and fought off the 'vast rightwing conspiracy' to bring down a Democratic President.

I wish the same thing had happened with Weiner. Since it was the same rightwing conspiracy that went after him.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 03:15 PM
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17. Then why was his law license suspended?
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 03:33 PM
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18. He made an agreement
which was generally believed to end the matter once and for all. No perjury charges were ever filed against him, and that was part of the agreement also, that they would not be. It is unlikely such charges would have resulted in a conviction. However at that point, giving up his law license for five years was considered to be a better way to end the circus, rather than prolonging it in yet another lawsuit, which most likely would have kept the whole thing going, the only reason for the baseless Paula Jones suit also. Which as I said, was dismissed on its merits.

The far right lunatics used the Judicial system like a bludgeon in an attempt to bring down a duly elected president of the US. And they would have continued to file baseless lawsuits and charges had he not decided to make that agreement, which basically shut them down.

But he was never charged with perjury, and even if he had been, as many legal experts have pointed out, if it was based on the dismissed Paula Jones case, it would not have succeeded.

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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:46 PM
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7. And he was impeached by the House for non-perjury.
Edited on Thu Jun-16-11 02:47 PM by closeupready
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:57 PM
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13. No, he did not.Not one Democratic Senator called for Clinton to resign, nor
did any Democratic Senators vote to convict him. Only a handful of House Democrats voted to impeach him.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:44 PM
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3. Lieberman got on his high horse
I don't remember if he called for him to resign.

In the House, the impeachment vote was 100% party-line as I recall. I remember a fine speech by Gephardt defending Clinton.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:44 PM
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5. Sadly, we seem to be a different party now K&R n/t
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:44 PM
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6. Didn't Gary Condit vote for impeachment? nt
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:46 PM
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8. If President Clinton had ...
been sending unsuspecting female political followers pictures of his penis at every turn, I think I would have called on him to resign, too.

What Clinton did was private and consensual, if risky and unseemly. I do not consider sexting political admirers either fully private nor consensual. I consider it an abuse of public trust, and juvenile to boot. Also, making up the hacking story so publicly for a week was very poor judgment.

There was no way he was going to be able to continue to be in any way effective. I sadly agree with the party's and his decision to resign.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:48 PM
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9. Lol, what? Having sex with a person that works for you is private?
But sending pictures to women who were consenting to getting those pictures isn't?
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 03:13 PM
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16. media ignored Gennifer Flowers
most Dems rallied behind him. Even slandered her in the news openly. We all ignored his behavior. The country moved on and the Monica affair finally gained traction (although only first through the internet). Even that affair initially was ignored by MSM. If MSM had the same ethics the Weiner story wouldn't exist and no news agency would have paid for penis pics. Oh for the old days of actual news.
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 06:01 PM
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24. But having sex with a subordinate is totally okay. Gotcha.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:50 PM
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11. I was embarassed for Clinton for his stupidity....and feel the same way about Weiner.
I hope that Weiner comes back from this stronger than ever.
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Wait Wut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:54 PM
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12. Clinton was President.
Calling for the resignation of your own parties elected POTUS would be a seriously fucked up thing to do. Weiner resigning isn't going to stop the country in its tracks like it would if he had been President. I do remember Democrats being absolutely frantic. There was a lot of stuttering and stammering going around.

There is the small, but important fact that Clinton (as far as we were told) had a temporary, short-lived fling. Every day it seems a new pic of Weiner and a new woman comes out. He's like a serial exhibitionist. In the beginning, many Dems seemed to be shrugging their shoulders. So what? He did something stupid. Oh...you mean there's more???
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 03:35 PM
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19. Dianne Feinstein, I believe. I do know she helped draft the censure
Edited on Thu Jun-16-11 03:38 PM by BlueCaliDem
when the Senate refused to remove him after he was impeached.

A draft censure written by Sens. Robert Bennett, R-Utah, and Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., calls Clinton's conduct "shameless, reckless, and indefensible" and says "he deliberately misled and deceived the American people" and officials.

It also says Clinton gave "false and misleading testimony and impeded discovery of evidence in judicial proceedings."

Feinstein said Sunday on NBC's Meet the Press she wants censure to "become part of the legacy of this president. "

http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=ytff1-&p=Fei...

You need to scroll down to SENATORS STEW OVER CENSURE and click on the cache link. The original link has been broken.


*edited to replace link
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 03:43 PM
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20. But that's not really a call for resignation, is it?
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 03:49 PM
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21. Based on her action, to censure Clinton when the Senate refused to remove him after
impeachment, I'm pretty sure she was one to call for his resignation. But I wasn't in the country then so I don't know for sure. That's why I added, "I believe".
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AlanCranston Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 05:59 PM
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22. IIRC, Gene Taylor and Charlie Stenholm
both voted to impeach Clinton. Both of them should have had their asses primaried in 2000.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 05:59 PM
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23. Me (nt)
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 06:02 PM
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25. It's OK When The President Does It.
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