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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 09:17 PM
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I really hate Obama's Department of
NO Justice!!
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 09:23 PM
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1. Isn't Justice supposed to be independent of the White House?
Bill Clinton's Justice Department -- Janet Reno -- handed Bill over to the Republican prosecutors for each and every little thing.
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 09:29 PM
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2. Thats the problem with being President,
you get blamed for everything, even if you had nothing to do with it.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 10:03 PM
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3. You are correct. Interfering with DOJ is a crime in and of itself. nt
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 12:21 AM
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8. Not really...
All of the top people in the DOJ (just as in every other department) are political appointees who serve as the pleasure of the President, as are the prosecutors. Janet Reno didn't turn Clinton over to anybody without Clinton asking her to.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 11:23 AM
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14. Pretty hard to be independent when the President appoints you to the position.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 10:12 PM
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4. For me it is the dept of interior nt
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 11:23 PM
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5. I don't like having a Monsanto stooge in charge of Agriculture. nt
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 11:46 PM
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6. +1 it just un-protected vast swaths of wilderness
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 11:50 PM
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7. what did they do now?
(i'm almost afraid to ask.)

Please don't tel me they're prosecuting Weiner, or something like that!
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 12:25 AM
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9. Well, they're prosecuting John Edwards, which isn't a whole lot better
Granted it's not the DOJ per se, but a Bush special prosecutor that Obama allowed to stay in office to continue a pending (bullshit) investigation. I'm all for making the Justice Department less partisan, but leaving in Bush appointees who were required to fill a quota for prosecuting Democrats by Albert Gonzales probably isn't the best way to go about that.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 05:51 AM
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12. winning the war on medical marijuana!
:yoiks:
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 05:11 AM
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10. Interior sucks, defense sucks, Intelligence sucks, Ag blows, State is more of the same,
Ed is a full on debacle of epic level shame, Treasury is fucking criminal, Transportation is crap.

We got a decent pick at Labor but she seems to be forced to hang out in Darth Cheney's undisclosed location only to be trotted out for a few seconds of mealymouthing when some fiasco flares up.

Holder does blow chunks but the field is chock full of such fucks, regardless of political party, to the point it isn't shocking. Disappointing and sad but no surprise.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 11:23 AM
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13. Education guy Duncan sux too.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 12:05 PM
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15. I am reliably informed, however, that we cannot blame the President for his cabinet
It's all the fault of those dastardly Republicans or somebody else, and it's futile to try to install cabinet level appointees of a more progressive bent because Lindsay Graham would get the vapors, and nobody wants that.
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 05:40 AM
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11. I knew POTUS Obama was a long con as soon as he started making appointments
starting with Rahm.

POTUS Obama is a neo-liberal in that he hires neo-liberals (and neo-cons) and supports neo-liberal domestic and foreign policies.

DU (and American Indians) should understand the cynical hypocracy and implications of the Cobell vs Salazar settlement. I mention Cobell vs Salazar in my occassional posts but no one takes the bait of even awareness, much less understanding.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 01:09 PM
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16. Cobell vs Salazar? I admit, I'm completely unfamiliar with this case,

never even heard the name mentioned. Did a quick search and could not find anything immediately obviously outrageous. What's the deal, what's so bad about it?

I'd like to understand what the implications are, since you mentioned it. Thanks! :hi:
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-11 01:59 PM
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17. Cobell v. Salazar
Edited on Sat Jun-11-11 02:03 PM by PufPuf23
From Wiki:

Cobell v. Salazar (previously Cobell v. Kempthorne and Cobell v. Norton and Cobell v. Babbitt) is a class-action lawsuit brought by Native American representatives against the United States government. The plaintiffs claim that the U.S. government has incorrectly accounted for Indian trust assets, which belong to individual Native Americans (as beneficial owners) but are managed by the Department of the Interior (as the legal owner and fiduciary trustee). The case was filed in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia. The original complaint asserted claims for mismanagement of the trust assets; these were subsequently disallowed since such claims could only properly be asserted in the United States Court of Federal Claims.

The case is sometimes reported as the largest class-action lawsuit against the U.S. in history, but the basis for this claim is a matter of dispute. Plaintiffs contend that the number of class members is around 500,000, while defendants maintain it is closer to 250,000. The potential liability of the U.S. government in the case is also disputed: plaintiffs have suggested a figure as high as $176 billion, and defendants have suggested a number in the low millions, at most. In 2008, the district court awarded the plaintiffs $455.6 million, which both sides have appealed. Cobell v. Kempthorne, 569 F. Supp.2d 223, 226 (D.D.C. 2008).

On July 29, 2009, the D.C. Court of Appeals vacated the award and remanded the District Court's previous decision in Cobell XXI. See, Cobell v. Salazar (Cobell XXII), 573 F.3d 808 (D.C. Cir. 2009).

On December 8, 2009, a $3.4 billion settlement was announced.<1> $1.4 billion of the settlement is allocated to plaintiffs in the suit, and up to $2 billion is allocated for re-purchase of lands distributed under the Dawes Act. President Barack Obama signed legislation authorizing government funding of a final version of the $3.4 billion settlement in December 2010, raising the possibility of final closure after fourteen years of litigation. Judge Thomas Hogan will oversee a fairness hearing on the settlement in the spring of 2011.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobell_v._Salazar

The BIA as part of the DOI for many years managed the Indian Trust lands (Reservations and Allotments); now the management is carried out by the Tribes themselves and the "recognized" Tribes have a sovereign to sovereign relationship with the Federal Government and the BIA/DOI has less discretion.

When the BIA managed the Indian Trust Lands, the BIA sold natural resources (oil, minerals, timber, grazing, etc); allotted lands to Individual Indians (that could sell into Fee Simple title, and there were huge land scams), and "managed" the lands (sometimes into super fund environmental sites).

IMO, the $387 Billion estimate of economic damage is low. The $3.4 Billion settlement ($1.4 Billion cash and $2.0 Billion in land re-purchase) is way low. The land re-purchase will be land within Reservations acquired by fraud abeted by the BIA
but now held Fee Simple by various corporations or transfer of Fed public lands now managed by the DOI or USDA

Cobell v. Salazar is the sealing wax on any monetary claims the American Indian has against the Feds for what happened on or to Indian Trust lands while managed by the BIA and not the Tribes (as now) but when the BIA was fiduciary to the Tribes.

So the settlement of Cobell vs Salazar (which was really much older than 14 years, the class action has been 14 years) is rather hollow win in that the issue is settled but the damaged parties will receive less than $0.01 per $1.00 soon.

Some corporations will get to sell now unwanted real estate to the Feds for transfer to Indians.

There is more than a little (short-sighted) happiness in Indian country now over the settlement because the immediacy of money and land, not having a grasp of the big picture, and the Indian political class.

Also lawyers will continue to be happy.





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