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carsonscorner Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 10:42 AM
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Jason Leopold on the Patriot Act and Obama's expansion of War.
This weekend I had an opportunity to speak with Jason Leopold of Truthout.org We spoke about the extension of the Patriot Act and Obama's expansion of the War on Terror. The discussion was very interesting.

http://bobcarson13.podomatic.com/player/web/2011-06-06T...
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 10:46 AM
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1. Imma read that in 24 business hours.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 11:12 AM
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 11:31 AM
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12. I don't hate him, I find it humorous.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 11:55 AM
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16. Plenty of people, clearly, still believe his bullshit.
Edited on Mon Jun-06-11 11:55 AM by Goblinmonger
They need to be reminded (or learn for the first time) that he is a fucking tool.
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benlurkin Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 12:21 PM
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18. 24 Business HOURS!
LEOPOLD is an admitted coked up LIAR.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 11:56 AM
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17. He's always been a good reporter.
Edited on Mon Jun-06-11 12:02 PM by sabrina 1
I always admired him for not giving up his sources. Which was the whole point of what went on.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 12:47 PM
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19. I mean, hey, if you toss aside plagierism
and making up sources, he's probably a GREAT reporter.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 12:51 PM
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20. Made me click
Glad I did. It's a good interview, worth listening to ~ :-)
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 01:24 PM
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23. As you say: "It's a good interview, worth listening to"
And four years after his fuck-up (or his falling for a deception), there's no reason for people to be reflexively bullying every thread that happens to mention Jason Leopold.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 02:16 PM
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26. Lol @ "bullying"
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 05:31 PM
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 05:37 PM
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40. I, for one, won't miss an opportunity to make a "24 business hour" joke & don't care where it lands.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 07:06 PM
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41. +1,000,000 n/t
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 02:26 PM
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31. So you give him a pass on his prior plagiarism
and making up sources? Interesting.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 11:37 AM
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13. Damn, you beat me to it......n/t
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 10:47 AM
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2. Jason Leopold. LOL...nt
Sid
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 10:53 AM
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 10:50 AM
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3. As credible as Fox News....although you don't have to wait 24 business hours to watch Fox nt
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 10:51 AM
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4. ROFL.. leopold...
:rofl:
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 10:54 AM
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6. Stephen Glass wasn't available to offer his opinion?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 10:55 AM
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 11:02 AM
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8. I couldn't possibly give two shits about what Leopold has to say.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 11:03 AM
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9. Hi Jason, how you doing?
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 11:10 AM
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10. Heheheh....
:thumbsup:

Sid
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 11:40 AM
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14. Leopold is not amused.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 11:54 AM
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15. Thank you, he has an excellent blog
and is always worth reading. I will check that out later when I get a chance.

:kick:
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carsonscorner Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 01:16 PM
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21. Wow.. I had no idea Jason is unpopular with some around here.
I think Jason's work is important. We need more people like him and Scahill.

For the record, this is Bob Carson, host of Carson's Corner. I post my show on here because progressive radio hosts need all the exposure they can get.

Jason and Truthout should be supported by all progressives!
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 01:20 PM
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22. I don't believe lying in the media is a progressive value.
You shouldn't either.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 02:17 PM
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27. If he was lying about Rove's indictment, so were several other
MSM reporters, a few of them still pretty popular around here. Otoh, where Rove is concerned, 'deceived' is what all of them were, imho. I would never, ever give Rove credit for anything. The man has lied and deceived his way through life and somehow managed to get a way with it. When there are two people involved in a controversy and Rove is one of them, I ask myself, 'who has less credibility?' For me, the answer is simple.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 02:22 PM
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29. Really? Who else reported Rove had been indicted and given 24 hours to turn himself in?
Leopold was the ONLY one to go with that story, because nobody else could get a source on it, because it was a made up lie.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 02:26 PM
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32. Wrong, two at least, other MSM 'reporters'
were given the info. Tweety was one of them, but coward that he is when he realized he had been deceived, he just moved on from the story.

As I said, when it's 'Rove V Anyone', Rove will never get the benefit of the doubt from me, sorry.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 02:57 PM
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36. That's a nice strawman, but it's not an answer.
The fact is, Leopold ran the story. Nobody else did. Because it was bullshit.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 03:13 PM
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37. "coward that he is"?
Are you fucking serious? IT WAS NOT CORRECT. Tweety, for all his faults, got it right. He didn't fall for bullshit.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 02:26 PM
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33. No, no one else reported it.
And that Rove is an accomplished fiend is inadequate and thin cover for Leopold.
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 01:56 PM
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24. game of shoot the messenger
thanks for posting the interview..i dont like the info either..but, i'd rather know than not know..no one who is attacking him disputes what he says in the interview..oh well
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 02:37 PM
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35. I'm attacking him because he is an ethical disaster as a journalist.
See link below.

There is no way we would accept HALF of that from a conservative journalist so I don't know why we give one of "our own" a pass.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 02:14 PM
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25. It goes back to Leopold's reporting yrs ago of Karl Rove's indictment in the Plame case.
Edited on Mon Jun-06-11 02:50 PM by Garbo 2004
"What indictment?" you may ask.

Years ago Leopold, then with Truthout, reported that Rove had in fact been indicted in the Plame matter and the official announcement would be forthcoming. This raised quite a stir, as you can imagine.

Truthout insisted their sources were vetted and solid, and when the official announcement of the Rove indictment didn't come out within 24 hours as stated, they clarified that it was 24 business hours. Days, weeks, etc. later, still no announcement of an indictment. Despite TO's insistence that he had been indicted, there was no evidence that it had ever happened. Certainly no indictment was ever announced.

IIRC Truthout indicated that an explanation of what happened would be forthcoming, but I don't recall that any explanation was ever provided by TO. Although IIRC as time went on, the number of first hand sources Truthout said were cited for the story decreased from 3 to 2? It was years ago,so my memory may be foggy on that specific number.

One possibility is that in its haste to put out the "scoop," Truthout was played by their sources and/or their sources were played. That's what I considered, for want of a better explanation, since no explanation ever came out of Truthout IIRC. Truthout's editor stated that they had checked the story and the sources themselves. As I recall, there was no way for the reader to tell what really led to this major reporting disaster.

Others here at DU were, shall we say, less charitable, and concluded that Leopold had just made up the story, citing his self-admitted problems in the past.

There was a major battle about it here. Leopold left Truthout some time later. I didn't realize he was back until I saw your post. But then I've not been keeping up on a lot of stuff.

This is why for a long time here at DU I think it's fair to say Truthout lost credibility and the mention of Leopold's name would result in the kinds of responses you are now seeing.

You didn't know about Leopold's/TO's "Karl Rove indictment" debacle?
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 02:18 PM
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28. He said that Rove WAS indicted, not that it was pending:
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 02:24 PM
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30. Yes, you are correct: TO reported that Rove had been indicted & it was the announcement
that would be forthcoming. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough for someone else who may not be as familiar with that whole episode as we are. I'll revise.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 02:36 PM
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34. You are forgetting his jackassery which predates the Rove "indictment"
Here's a tiny little look:
http://brian.carnell.com/articles/2002/jason-leopold-th... /

This guy is an insult to journalists.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 04:26 PM
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38. I remember for a time Leopold also wrote for Raw Story. After a while,
IIRC, when some of his reporting scoops could not be confirmed and didn't pan out, time passed and Leopold was no longer writing for Raw Story. To Salon, RS' editor declined to comment about Leopold's departure and said he couldn't discuss personnel matters.

Salon article a few days after TO's "Rove indictment" story was out, citing other blogs, even a post from DU: http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2006/05/16/... This article appeared while TO was still standing by its story and waiting for it to be proven correct.
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