What the hell are they putting in the water in San Francisco?

[William769]

They want to ban E-cigarettes, and now they want to ban circumcision? WTF?

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/05/20/exp.Behar.Circumcision.hln?hpt=T2

[CTyankee]

1. Oh, dear, where have you been? This was discussed a few months ago, IIRC.

This has been subjected to the usual treatment here at DU...

[William769]

8. Sorry I missed it completely.

[CTyankee]

15. If you've seen other circumcision threads here, you probably know what was argued.

We always come out in the same place with topics like this...

[Drale]

2. It's punishment from John Muir for destroying the Hetch Hetchy Valley

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetch_Hetchy_Valley

[CreekDog]

3. Why on earth do you think San Franciscans want to do that?

are you so badly misinformed that you think folks here have voted for that?

why don't you read the article that you linked?

unrecommend strongly.

[William769]

9. How can you read the article when it's a video?

And yes I did watch the video.

[CreekDog]

10. so you've decided all San Franciscans are crazy because something's going to be voted on?

possibly voted down in a coming election?

but we're all crazy because someone managed to get these things on the ballot.

whatever. :eyes:

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[CreekDog]

25. Well things don't make it onto the ballot because they have majority support

which is what you've implied.

and so you didn't literally call us crazy --so we're supposed to believe that when you ask what's in the water here --that this means we ARE NOT crazy?

hey you made the post. if you can't take legitimate criticism of your careless post, don't post at all.

quit acting mortified that someone actually criticized a post you put out there for discussion --a post that was not well thought out.

[jberryhill]

32. Sarah Palin made it to a ballot /nt

[William769]

38. Not in a place like San Francisco.

[Luminous Animal]

39. Only 10% of registered voters are needed to qualify a proposition for the ballot.

[RandySF]

11. It's all true

The circumcision ban will be on the November ballot and the Board of Supervisors are considering a ban on e-cigarettes.

[CreekDog]

27. so you're saying because it's on the ballot then we all support it?

because that's what the OP is implying.

[Luminous Animal]

48. You know, you can email, call, visit, your supervisor and put in your 2 cents.

You can get your friends and neighbors to do the same.

[damntexdem]

4. Well, in the 50s, radioactive materials were dumped near the Farallon Islands.

And those barrels must be in really bad shape by now.

Then there's the silt and farming runoff that comes into the Bay out of the Delta.

[CreekDog]

7. San Franciscans HAVE NOT voted on this yet

before casting aspersions on everybody here, how about letting them actually speak for themselves rather than deciding what everybody thinks based on some signatures for a ballot initiative or the support of one member of the Board of Supervisors.

:wtf:

really.

[Rebubula]

17. LOL...

try being a Southerner and see how you like the broad brush attacks.

Anyway - stop being thin skinned - the OP is not calling you out, just saying the SF Board of Supers is making some strange proclamations these days.

[CreekDog]

26. i don't personally care what he thinks of me or us --but it's right to point out a flawed argument

that doesn't make one thin skinned.

[William769]

28. Self delete.

[petronius]

49. And the Farallons are a primary great white shark feeding ground

Which explains... Sharkzilla!

http://www.sfbayadventures.com.nyud.net:8090/new_images/400helishark.jpg

[Auggie]

5. "They" equals a group, not the entire city

[maxsolomon]

6. Ethics and reason

Taken to logical extremes - if FGM on minors is unacceptable, why isn't Male GM? If all GM on minors is unacceptable, isn't circumcision GM? This may be where SF feels it has to go to legally ban FGM by Somali immigrants within their city limits.

Which I am wholeheartedly in favor of.

So, logically, if you want to be circumcized, or have your clitoris excised, fine, but YOU make that decision, not your parents.

[CTyankee]

22. What do you do with Muslims and Jews then?

I know you don't believe it, but to them it would be a "free exercise" First Amendment issue. I'm not arguing the merits here, just pointing to a real problem with carrying this out and asking how this would come down, in your opinion...

[maxsolomon]

30. yep. tis a puzzlement.

like the niqab in france. i guarantee it will become a religious freedom issue.

i dread the day we see the ACLU defending FGM on free speech grounds.

[CTyankee]

31. I really don't think the ACLU will defend FGM on free speech or any other grounds.

Ain't gonna happen.

The burqa in France is one thing. There is no ACLU in France. The ACLU and the religious freedom issue with circumcision will be another. I think they will argue "apples and oranges" as it applies to female, male circumcision. Just my guess...

[cali]

35. grrr. because one truly is mutilation. that you can compare the removal of the clitoris

to circumcision is just disgusting.

[maxsolomon]

37. my point is not that they are equivalent

because they're not - i'm circumsized and i'm not traumatized, and i don't consider it mutilation either.

but can you see that some people might draw the line between mutilation and social custom in a different place than you? because they do - muslims in e. africa certainly do.

PS see posts 19 & 24 below - that's what i'm talking about.

[RandySF]

13. Because it's easier than dealing with tough issues

Like the municipal budget deficit, gang violence, homelessness and better public sanitation.

[William769]

16. I loved the City when I visited there and I loved the people.

Your point is well taken.

[RandySF]

20. I live in SF and love it with all my heart.

But we've long had a Board of Supervisors that get pre-occupied with e-cigarettes and happy meals.

[AsahinaKimi]

23. As a native San Franciscan, I agree...

And come time to vote, I will vote against this silly stuff. I hope others do too..

[Throd]

41. Symbolism over substance. 'Tis the Frisco way!

That's right, I said "Frisco".

Actually I typed it.

[Luminous Animal]

47. And for the most part. You would be wrong. How do I know this? I actually

pay attention to what is going on. And I participate.

[WolverineDG]

14. It's Nanny Staters Paradise nt

[MNBrewer]

19. SO you're in favor of a parent's unfettered right to hack pieces off their infant children?

[WolverineDG]

42. oh jeez

:eyes:

dg

[MNBrewer]

43. So, fettered right, then?

[WolverineDG]

44. oh jeez

:eyes:

dg

[MNBrewer]

45. I take it you have nothing to contribute to this conversation

besides "nanny state" slanders.

[Luminous Animal]

52. Personally, I find it barbaric.. It is slicing and removing a part of a human being.

And I really cannot understand how a parent can acquiesce to it.

But, I won't vote for it. I do believe that activist did not do enough ground work to educate the citizens of San Francisco about penile mutilation.

[Poll_Blind]

18. Maybe there are foreskins in the water?

And fire in the sky!

PB

[FLAprogressive]

21. Nanny Statism at its finest.

[MNBrewer]

24. Another defender of parental rights to hack off pieces of their infant children's bodies.

Disgusting, truly disgusting.

[jberryhill]

33. You can prepare them just like calamari

What's really good is if you use tempura batter.

Yum. Better than squirrels.

[kwassa]

51. I was thinking of frying them, like pork rinds.

[marmar]

29. This bit of law-making silliness aside.......

I'll still take 'San Francisco Values' over anybody else's, anyday.

[slackmaster]

34. marmar, it is possible for you to live your life by what you regard as a higher set of standards...

...without wishing to impose those standards on other people.

Strangely enough, I've made the exact same comment to anti-abortion people and it fits them exactly the same as it does you.

[Luminous Animal]

36. FYI, it is the corporate conservadems that are pushing the e-cig ban.

Specifically, Michela Alioto-Pier.

In regards to ballot initiatives, only 46,000 signatures are required to get on the ballot, One tenth of registered voters.

[SidDithers]

40. San Francisky?...nt

Sid

[Yupster]

46. So did you drive or did you

flew?

[EFerrari]

50. Whatever it is, I want more.

lol