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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 11:47 AM
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Rapture victims: Sue Harold Camping!
http://cnx.com/?p=1478

Of course youve seen the billboards. Everyone has by now. They all proclaim that the world ends Saturday. Millions of gullible people have emptied their bank accounts and sold their belongings to help spread the word about the imminent coming of Jesus.

But did you notice what else they spread the word about? Theyre all advertising an allegedly non-profit chain of 66 radio stations across the country.

The man who started this whole nonsense is a huckster named Harold Camping. His stations (a number of which, despite supposedly being non-profit, are on commercial frequencies) call themselves Family Radio and bring in tons of money from donations. This latest rapture scare alone has netted them more than $100 million in donations according to KGO-TV. Millions more are being spent directly by people who have been taking out billboards and road signs, all of which tell you to Listen to Family Radio and the frequency of the station.

In other words, Harold Camping has conned millions of gullible, desperate people into paying for his advertising.

How do I know this is all nonsense? Because Jesus was very specific when he told us no one knows the time of the Second Coming. He says it over and over throughout the Gospels. He even tells us that Jesus himself does not know when he is coming back! So how is Harold Camping so much better than Christ himself that he supposedly knows exactly when Christ is returning? And why would anyone whos actually read their Bible believe him?

Originally I had planned to hold these Campingites up for ridicule when Sunday comes and the world has once again not ended. But now Im starting to feel sorry for them. The message of Christianity is supposed to be comfort and relief to the weak and oppressed. Now we have an actual false prophet like Jesus warned us about who is preying upon those peoples desire for eternal joy and hope for an end to their suffering here on Earth. I feel sorry, even angry, on their behalf.

So if you donated money to Harold Camping to spread the word, or took your money to buy one of those billboards advertising his stations, then I suggest you call a lawyer Monday morning and sue the Hell out of Harold Camping. This is fraud and deception pure and simple, and he fraudulently got all of you to pay to advertise his radio stations. Maybe a few of you out there might end up owning some of those stations yourself.

This man tried it back in 1994, and this time hes been successful with his con. Dont let him get away with it. Seek restitution and damages from this trickster.

And as for your belief in a false prophet? Jesus will forgive you Sunday morning. Just be more careful next time.


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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 11:58 AM
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1. I think you are Preaching to the wrong Crowd
Edited on Thu May-19-11 12:00 PM by OffWithTheirHeads
Aside from a few lurking freepers, I seriously doubt anyone on this board got suckered into this crap. Maybe you should post this on "that other piece of shit board" where it might actually do some good.

Your heart is in the right place though.
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 12:03 PM
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2. What could be be sued for?
He has an opinion, and many people agree with him.

Unless you are going to include ALL religious beliefs as a "scam", then you cannot single out this particular belief.
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 12:04 PM
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3. In telling people to buy billboards spreading word
and telling people to listen to his stations.
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 12:08 PM
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4. What makes you think he did?
Perhaps all he said was "spread the word"...perhaps he didn't say anything except "the world is ending".

Unless you can prove knowing fraud, you haven't got much of a case.
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 12:10 PM
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5. Even if that is the case (which is debatable) what did he do wrong?
I mean, I guess I am just not seeing what the "scam" part is.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 12:12 PM
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6. In other words for soliciting free advertising?
Or some such thing?

It may work, but I'm not sure. In this case I'm not sure it's a tortious injury to ask your religious followers to spread the word of your religious beliefs far and wide. Even when you profit from their actions. If it were then all organized religions in the world would be opened up to lawsuits on the same grounds.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 12:13 PM
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7. Sorry, First Amendment....

No case based on inducement to follow a religious belief is going to survive a motion to dismiss.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 12:41 PM
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12. There ya go.
Religious promises are not promises.

But just in case...

I think there's a small donation, but you get a drink. :)

--imm
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cayanne Donating Member (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 12:18 PM
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8. Remember Oral Roberts?
If he didn't raise millions of dollars by a certain time God would call him home.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 12:24 PM
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9. So Saturday is not the day of reckoning?
:rofl:
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 12:25 PM
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10. This part is hilarious:
"How do I know this is all nonsense? Because Jesus was very specific when he told us no one knows the time of the Second Coming. He says it over and over throughout the Gospels. He even tells us that Jesus himself does not know when he is coming back! So how is Harold Camping so much better than Christ himself that he supposedly knows exactly when Christ is returning? And why would anyone whos actually read their Bible believe him?"

So Camping is a nut for espousing a specific date, but this person buys the premise of the rapture/Jesus-will-return story..I guess it's all on a spectrum of insanity.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 12:38 PM
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11. NO. People should blame (or sue) others because of their own stupidity.


Stupidity is SUPPOSED to hurt.

You shouldn't be able to sue someone else because you were to stupid to think for yourself.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 12:53 PM
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13. Which is why, btw, the not-so-smart people do not trust smart people

Smart people tend to think that a system which rewards smart people is "how things are supposed to be".

And if you wonder why folks support idiots like Sarah Palin, there's your answer right there.

Some people aren't very bright. They aren't going to change. But they do know that every time they get kicked in the nuts, it's by people who are smarter than they are. They are bright enough to figure that out.
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batgrl1222 Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-11 05:28 AM
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14. Agreed!
Edited on Sun May-22-11 05:41 AM by batgrl1222
Not only do I believe Harold Camping should be sought after and sued for fraud, but also for inducing panic. In the hearts of those that trusted him and followed, in those hours they waited and sadly (blindly, and foolishly) did his bidding, I read that one man has killed himself, and a mother had attempted to kill herself and her two daughters. The daughters are ok (thank God everyone is ok) and are in the hospital and the mother is in jail.

Really, the worst a lawyer can do is say no.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-11 11:22 AM
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16. omg - this is exactly what many
were afraid of. Those folks that survived need serious help and Camping, if he really does believe in God, should be begging for forgiveness right now.

btw - welcome to DU!
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-11 05:40 AM
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15. Oh hell yes, SUE THE FALSE PROPHET!!!
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