I believe in God and Jesus Christ, I do not believe in Harrold Camping!

[jorno67]

or any other person or corporation or organization that has hijacked my religion.
I am tired of watching evil bastards sell God like stocks and bonds while promoting hate, violence, intolerance and contempt for the the less fortunate.

[FreakinDJ]

1. Well said

[Atman]

2. Wow.

I don't agree with anything you say -- I don't even know who Harold Camping is -- but at least this should be fun!

:popcorn:

[xchrom]

4. he's the main guy for the 'Rupture' that's supposed to happen saturday. nt

[Atman]

6. I'm waiting for my new big-screen tv!

I live in a relatively affluent, Republican area...they should all be raptured, then I can go in and get their stuff. Awesome!

.

[Renew Deal]

11. How can you not agree with anything he said if you don't know who Camping is?

How do you know if you agree or disagree?

[Atman]

22. Okay, I Wiki'd Camping...and I still disagree with everything.

I assumed -- correctly, it turns out -- that he was a religious nut-bag. So nothing about my other post changes.

.

[xchrom]

3. you might want to change fortunate to unfortunate.

and 'i feel ya' as the kids say.

they still say that don't they?

[jorno67]

5. I typed to fast and left out "less" - I got to slow down when I get worked up like this!

I fixed it!

[immoderate]

7. Everbody knows you can't predict when the rapture will happen.

It has to be a surprise!

IBTR/T

--imm

[roguevalley]

45. the rapture isn't biblical. there is a passage about the end times in

thessolonians but the word rapture and the stupid ideas that people attribute to it are not in the Bible.

[immoderate]

51. I know -- It's FAITH!

Without that the bible isn't anything but a book.

--imm

[roguevalley]

52. I consider it a historical record of a lot of people and places in the

past. It is also the record of a wondrous rabbi as seen through the eyes of a lot of people. Faith has nothing to do with this for me.

[immoderate]

55. I largely agree. At it's best, it's a metaphor for the development of sentience.

I would state it's the {i]story of a magic rabbi as told through several characters' points of view.

It's as historical as a Doctorow novel. To say it's history is faith.

--imm

[roguevalley]

58. maybe. strip the magic away which was ladled on by Paul of

Tarsus and you have the tale of a wondrously amazing man. I love Jesus. Totally. I also love God. I do not believe them to be the same however. :)

[ProdigalJunkMail]

56. rapture is simply a term applied to the event(s)

and Thessalonians describes being 'caught up in the clouds'...sounds about like the 'rapture' that those people are talking about...


sP

[sharp_stick]

8. Even my evangelical, charismatic neighbor

laughs at the thought of Harold Camping.

[snooper2]

9. I believe in wireless mouse

fucking greatness, everyone should have one!

[Atman]

10. But what if the batteries go out while I'm being Raptured?

That would suck.

.

[snooper2]

25. mine runs on the warmth from my hand

:)

[Goblinmonger]

12. Do you believe in the concept of the rapture, though?

Do you believe Mary was assumed into heaven? Do you believe there was a Jesus who rose from the dead and ascended into heaven?

Just wondering where you draw the line.

[Atman]

18. No.

"Assumed into heaven?" "Rose from the dead?" Seriously? Where do I draw the line? At bullshit, that's where.

.

[jorno67]

24. My beliefs start with the 10 comandments and "do unto others...

as you would have them do unto you". I also believe that God created symbolism and metaphors, so I don't need everything to be so literal. I believe Jesus was the greatest liberal whoever lived. I believe the men how wrote the Bible were flawed and influenced by the times they lived in just like everyone else. I believe in Heaven and Hell - although I can not define either. I believe most religions are good and that people screw them up. I believe in free will.

[piratefish08]

13. if I have t believe in something, then it will be chocolate dipped bacon.

[Bragi]

17. Yum. Is there a low-fat version of that?

[piratefish08]

20. you - excommunicated. blasphemer!!!

Next!

[Bragi]

21. Damn, not again! /nt

[IPTF2]

34. CHOCOLATE DIPPED BACON

ME TOO!!!!

[renate]

41. welcome to DU!

:hi:

[yella_dawg]

14. When you get raptured, do you get a space suit?

Or are you left gasping in agony between Earth and wherever it is they stash Heaven?

[Bragi]

15. I believe in Harold Camping, but not God or Jesus Christ

I say that only because there is empirical evidence that Harold Camping actually exists.

[NeedleCast]

29. This is my favorite post of the day

[RebelOne]

30. Agreed. Excellent post. n/t

[jorno67]

31. having empirical evidence would move that "belief" into "knowledge"

so you would not have to believe in Mr Camping's existence - you know that he exists.

[Johonny]

32. +1

[Arugula Latte]

33. Dammit, Bragi, why didn't I think of that one?

:applause:

[nobodyspecial]

16. I don't believe in either.

[FSogol]

19. I believe, I'll have another Pale Ale!

Gotta believe in something.

[Initech]

28. Win! I'll join you.

:toast:

[AsahinaKimi]

23. Okely-Dokely!

[Taverner]

26. I couldn't see how any follower of Christ could believe in Camping

My brother, a minister (bet you never would have guessed that) responds to questions about Camping with Jesus' quote "no one will know the time or day" and the "thief in the night" quote.

[Initech]

27. I saw a headline in my newspaper today: Church Plans $45 million expansion

My first thought was "How the fuck does a single church have $45 million? Does god not believe in overhead?"

[jorno67]

38. there's a rather large church in Little Rock Arkansas that is quite

blatant about not help the needy. They put all of their money back into the church. They have a better lighting system than most theaters, a youth center with a climbing wall, gym, pool, rec room, computers, etc... valet parking, unbelievable AV equipment - it's their one little country club. and it's tax exempt, of course.

[drpepper67]

48. Similar story.

I went to Easter dinner at some religious relatives house.

They were talking about the new piano they "needed" at their church.

Not knowing, I asked asked what was wrong with the one they had.

"Nothing. The other church in town just got a new one so we need one too."

There are literally kids with no shoes here. But we need to replace a perfectly good piano with a new piano
to keep up with the Jones.

[jorno67]

49. not Christ like at all...

[Initech]

50. One time I saw a church advertising concert tickets on ticketmaster!

I'm thinking:

A) why are they charging admission?

B) Who's playing that they need to charge admission?

C) How big is that theater?

D) Why aren't they being taxed?

[jorno67]

54. I did a tour where one of the opening acts was a Christian act

they told me that the make more money when they play Christian tours and festivals than when they are teamed up with regular rock bands playing arenas.

[Initech]

57. Wasn't that Cartman's logic on South Park?

[Arugula Latte]

62. My mom always said: "Religion is just big business."

[jorno67]

63. she's right

Selling God is a huge industry

[Dawson Leery]

35. Believe nothing from the mouth of an inbred (Camp).

[scheming daemons]

36. I believe in the Great Pumpkin

Just as valid a belief as yours.

[jorno67]

37. I didn't question the validity of your belief

I think that's great if it's true. I would hate to see people claim they believe stuff just to be cute - that's what damages validity.

[DavidDvorkin]

39. Might as well believe in one as in the other

At least we know that Camping exists.

[jorno67]

40. see post #15 and my response #31

[Chris_Texas]

42. I believe in Harrold Camping. These other fellows you mention? Not so much.

I belive in him. He exists. He's insane or a fraud or both, but he's real.

The other two? No. They are as real as Unicorn giggles and a thousand times more deadly.

[jorno67]

43. you don't need to believe that Camping exists - he does

you can see,feel,hear,touch,etc him all day long. But do you believe in what he stands for?

[Name removed]

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[fascisthunter]

46. This Atheist Stands with You

I have respect for those who practice what they preach and do not abuse what is supposed to be sacred. To me, the right wing treats the sacred like a patch you sew onto your denim jacket. They DO NOT represent the christian faith nor spirituality I have learned when I was too a Christian.

[jorno67]

59. thank you - I was not trying to offend people who believe differently than me

I just wanted to separate my views from this Camping fellow. He does not represent me or what I stand for.

[cherish44]

47. I used to have neighbors that were rapture people

They were almost depressed when they woke every day and found they were still here. Seriously they were so disconnected because they were waiting for Jesus to come because the world was so evil... That was 10 years ago,I hope they finally gave up on that and decided to rejoin life while they wait

[Left coast liberal]

53. Elmer Gantry - great book playing out before our eyes.

[RandomThoughts]

60. Bingo +1

I think that is why there is a verse about blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

And why I think each person should decide what is inspired and what is not.


Turning the temple into a marketplace, heard that before also.

[jorno67]

61. we need a reverse rapture

Just have all the false prophets leave.