WHO SAYS the porn was OBL's? NOT the "anonymous officials," who ACTUALLY said...

[WinkyDink]

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A stash of pornography was found in the hideout of Osama bin Laden by the U.S. commandos who killed him, current and former U.S. officials said on Friday.

The pornography recovered in bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, consists of modern, electronically recorded video and is fairly extensive, according to the officials, who discussed the discovery with Reuters on condition of anonymity.

The officials said they were not yet sure precisely where in the compound the pornography was discovered or who had been viewing it. Specifically, the officials said they did not know if bin Laden himself had acquired or viewed the materials."
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/exclusive-pornography-found-bin-laden-hideout-officials-162214194.html
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And just WTH are "former U.S. officials" COMMENTING AT ALL ON THIS RAID, I'D LIKE TO KNOW.

[Warren DeMontague]

1. The 'sweet, gently smiling' little old man in his jammies WOULD NOT LOOK AT PORN!

And HE WAS UNARMED!


How could he masturbate with no arms, answer me that.

[uppityperson]

12. Oh, that is easy to do.

you are funny, made me laugh

[originalpckelly]

14. Hath he legs? Feet?

If he hath the penith, he hath a way.

Where's there's a willie, there's a way.

[underseasurveyor]

44. **SHNORT**

:rofl:

[meow mix]

18. lol

:rofl:

[Ikonoklast]

32. He was very, very flexible?

:shrug:

[tpsbmam]

57. Okay....WTF!!!

54 qualifies him as a "little old man?"

Warren DeMontague is definitely on my shit list. ;-)

[somone]

59. Didn't the 9/11 hijackers rent porn videos in their hotel

and use an escort service?

Anwar al-Awlaki was arrested twice for soliciting prostitutes in San Diego.

[Very_Boring_Name]

65. iirc there was talk that most of the hijackers didn't know it was a suicide mission

Because they tried to hire a prostitute and asked her how much she charged. When she told them, they said she was too expensive and refused (if you were going to kill yourself the next day, why would you care what the price was?)

[Warren DeMontague]

68. Maybe it was the principle of the thing.

Anyway, people engage in totally futile activities all the time.



***


Praise be to Nero's Neptune
The Titanic sails at Dawn;
and everybody's shouting
"which side are you on?"

[ecstatic]

2. Please don't tell me there will be hand wringing over this too

I don't care if that monster watched porn or not!

[Warren DeMontague]

4. He's dead, now.

So any hand-wringing related to this porn should be through, too. :rofl:

[sibelian]

43. Well, I'm wringing my hands desperately inside my sandals, clutching a latte.

... hugging a couple of trees, but it's mostly about how stupid it looks for a major civilised democracy that was substantially responsible for things like liberating concentration camp victims and overthrowing Nazism during the second world war to now being reduced to waving pornography about to try and make their new bad guy look bad after he blew up thousands of people.

But if you like we can pretend that actually I really really like Osama Bin Laden. Well, I mean YOU can, I probably won't respond, but I don't really mind, now.

[SDuderstadt]

3. Justice for bin Laden! n/t

[Bonobo]

53. Ah, another mindless repeat of a juvenile lie.

It suits you, Doody.

[Warren DeMontague]

5. It's impossible. Whatever his alleged 'crimes' may have been

as a vanguard of the peoples' struggle against US imperial hegemony, he would not have enabled the patriarchy by viewing womyn-objectifying pornography.

NEVER!

[EFerrari]

6. Attempting to gather facts is hand wringing now.

:)

[gratuitous]

8. Yes, let us have no interruption of the grave-dancing, which is totally not being done

So stop saying that!

[Warren DeMontague]

19. I'm sorry, but we're not supposed to insult the guy who killed over 3,000 Americans

by insinuating that he did something TRULY reprehensible, like look at porn?




...Seriously?

[EFerrari]

22. Exhibit A. Fact gathering is defending bin Laden.

How kinky. :)

[Warren DeMontague]

23. Go ahead, gather the facts.

Put 'em all in a big fact-bucket. Knock yourself out.


p.s. what facts are being gathered in a generalized grouse about "grave dancing"?

[EFerrari]

24. Thanks, Daddy.

[Warren DeMontague]

25. So how, specifically, does post #8 qualify as 'fact gathering'?

I'll wait.

[gratuitous]

37. You know he killed over 3,000 Americans?

You might want to contact the FBI. They only had him at 200 deaths on his wanted poster, and no indication of how many Americans (the 200 seems an admixture of Tanzanias, Kenyans and American embassy personnel). Maybe it was a typo, or they just didn't have the benefit of "everybody knows"?

I realize that insisting on "due process," "evidence" and "rules of procedure" and suchlike isn't very popular and harshes everyone's mellow, but I haven't yet learned how to trim my principles to fit this year's fashion.

[Warren DeMontague]

50. Yes. He did.

He also admitted it.

[Hannah Bell]

66. he did? are you sure? did the fbi hear it?

[Warren DeMontague]

69. Yeah.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/29/international/30osamaCND.html

[Wait Wut]

45. DUH!!!

I'm amazed at how many threads have "porn" in the subject, today.

The guy had 7 (?) wives and supposedly "herbal viagra" and he looked at porn. Awesome. I was soooooooo wondering about the sex life of the subhuman culture.

[Hannah Bell]

67. the "subhuman culture"? what culture would that be?

[Warren DeMontague]

70. The subhuman culture of people who fly airplanes into skyscrapers and kill thousands of innocent

people.

Oh, I'm sorry, he 'didn't do it'... right? :eyes:

[woo me with science]

36. Well, I for one am glad

that you are going to get to the bottom of this!

:rofl:

[ladywnch]

7. the were the property of the "over zealous staffer"

you know who I'm talking about. Every organization has one (or a few dozen), the guy/gal who always seems to get their leader/boss into trouble by their innocent, well-intentioned but still illegal activities. Yeah,it was his, not OBL's!

Shame on you, over zealous staffer!

[EFerrari]

16. Wasn't there a youngish son killed in the action?

He was 22? There's another one, an 18 year old, who reportedly went missing that night but, who knows if that's true.

[ladywnch]

48. I thought it was a young courier who was killed. n/t

[EFerrari]

49. Two couriers were killed plus another guy in the guest house

plus one of his son and the wife of one of the couriers. There are also spotty reports that one other son was there and has disappeared.

[coalition_unwilling]

9. Do note that supporters of the extra-judicial assassination of OBL

treat this report from Reuters citing an un-named official as holy gospel, while dismissing a report in Reuters from an un-named official that the SEALs were sent to 'kill, not capture' OBL.

What-the-fuck-ever.

Hypocrisy knows no national boundaries and cares not for political party.

[EFerrari]

10. LOL

[ecstatic]

17. I think you're reading way too much into it

I fully understood the article I read. It plainly stated that the owner of the materials is unknown. Am I going to dig deeper to try to find out if it was OBL's before laughing at a joke related to it? No! And those of you who are need to find a hobby! I suspect people are having fun and it doesn't matter whether he owned the material or not--but if he did, he is a big hypocrite!

[Warren DeMontague]

21. Because accusing someone of looking at porn is SERIOUS CHARACTER DEFAMATION

And that poor sweetly smiling unarmed man in his jammies has suffered enuf, already. :cry:

[coalition_unwilling]

26. Thank you for your concern - NOT. I shudder to think of what

desecration and indignities may be visited upon the corpse of the next U.S. service person killed by AQ or one of its offshoots. And we will have no room left to complain, since our people were and are 'having fun'.

Whatever.

[Warren DeMontague]

29. saying he looked at porn is 'desecration and indignity'?

Wow. It's nice to know you have your priorities in order.

[Warren DeMontague]

20. I actually don't give a shit if he looked at porn, or not.

Fuck him. He's not looking at it, now, that's what's important.

[Poll_Blind]

11. And so as you can see, WinkyDink, regardless of the veracity of the story...

...any attempt to find out merely the factual information about the situation will be met with the types of replies you've received so far.

It really doesn't matter to them what actually happened. Their curiosity, if you can call it that, extends no further than whether or not the outcome was pleasing. Any deeper examination is seen as potentially jeopardizing the pleasing outcome and such efforts deemed worthy of scorn, either outright or sarcastic.

They will crawl out of the woodwork and go to great lengths to make the point that they don't care. When the effort seems telling otherwise.

:)

PB

[EFerrari]

13. My pubescent boys loved masturbation jokes, too.

I guess it goes with the territory.

[nolabear]

52. Whaddaya mean "they", White Eyes?

[dkf]

15. Why are you so offended?

[eleny]

27. If it's true - the very fact of it being at the compound should make it a Muslim scandal

Imo, of course.

[coalition_unwilling]

28. "If it's true" -- it's "true" in the same way Osama was engaged in a

firefight before we learned that he was unarmed. It's true in the same way Osama used one of his wives as a 'human shield' before we learned that he did not use anyone as a human shield.

In short, it's 'true' until, as Nixon spokesperson Ron Ziegler used to say, it becomes 'inoperative' (aka a 'lie').

[Warren DeMontague]

30. LEAVE OSAMA ALONE!!!!

Don't you have half this place on ignore, anyway? I'm surprised you're still talking to anyone who doesn't completely agree with you.

[sibelian]

42. Oh, you did it here, too.

Oh, well.

[eleny]

33. Neither one of us was there....

So I'm not making too many assumptions about what went on. I do expect lots of discrepancies.

I'm not known to be in the Obama choir. But this mission was one of a kind in American history so I'm keeping a wide open mind about it.

[chill_wind]

38. That's probably the entire point of the "information" or disinformation

Intel/national security consultant MSNBC guy (Roger Cressey)suggested to Tweety outright last night there are already and will probably be plenty of psyops intended for OBL's flock generated from the ops. They'll probably be doing a steady CIA self-styled wikileaks of info mixed with dysinfo for another decade. A lot of Americans will probably consume it whole and completely uncritically in the process as well.

[originalpckelly]

40. On the other hand, if what you say was true...

then why not say this earlier?

Why now?

Now suggests that they have found this after combing over the the USB thumbdrives.

[defendandprotect]

31. Starting to wonder how big of a distraction OBL was intended to be ... ????

[Incitatus]

34. A religious fundamentalist into porn wouldn't be much of a surprise. nt

[H2O Man]

35. This "pornography" would

seem a likely form of disinformation, in my humble opinion.

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. As much as the raid was justified

and the result.... let's call this what it is... propaganda.

Sorry if I have a few issues taking this on any thing close to face value.

That said... if THE PROPAGANDA works with the intended target... go for it boys... (Americans are just collateral here)

[JuniperLea]

47. Yes, I've always seen this as propaganda...

And have applauded it as such! With this perspective, I have no need to worry about "face value" or who the source is... no worries at all. Just a few chuckles.

[sibelian]

41. Expect some DUers to post things like "LEAVE OSAAAMA ALOOONE!!"

The debate is getting a bit bogged down now.

[Warren DeMontague]

51. Yes

The sweet gently smiling little old man in his jammies who was brutally shot for 'crimes' he didn't commit has suffered, enough. :eyes:

[Bonobo]

54. You are worst offender I have seen perpetrating that lie.

No one has said anything like what you suggest is being said.


It is, quite simply, a childish lie.

[Warren DeMontague]

55. Actually, everything in that post has been said here in the past 2 weeks.

'Course, I also get 'no one says he was innocent'; and then 10 people show up to say exactly that.


It's not the majority, by any stretch. But I'm NOT making this shit up.

[Bonobo]

56. Can you back that up? Pajamas? Gentle? I would be shocked if anyone here said that. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

58. I should bookmark this crap...

it may take me a bit to find it, but I will. Check back here.

[Bonobo]

60. I will.

If you are correct and not overstating it by a WIDE margin, I will be surprised.

At the same time, I wish you would take a bit more effort to try to elevate the dialog and not equate every criticism with the way the strike was carried out with support for OBL.

[Warren DeMontague]

61. I don't. And frankly I'm getting tired of the whole thing. But between the 9-11 "truth" people, who

will insist that he was innocent, to the people who simply CAN'T deal with anything that might possibly be a plus for the Obama Administration (don't kid yourself- that's what a good deal of the pissing and moaning is about) -- to the folks who are never, ever going to be satisfied with anything the United States does, ever, under any circumstances.. yeah, my humor's wearing a tad thin.

This was a good thing. It's good he's gone. After 10 years of flailing away in a 'war on terror' aimed mostly at the wrong people, we finally got the right guy. We can debate all day as to whether 9-11 was a crime or an act of war (or, to my mind, some of both) and whether shoulda woulda coulda caught him and put him on trial (although, as I've mentioned before, this is someone who did his killing by communicating with other people. This was the one way- the ONLY way- to ensure that he could never kill again) ... that's all well and good, but at the end of the day, protestations to the contrary, there are plenty of people here who are CLEARLY mad as hell that he's dead- and that, to my mind, is pretty fucked up.

You asked for links; I haven't found the 'little old man in his jammies' quote or the 'he gave bunnies to his neighbors' -they're both out there, I swear- but here's "The gently smiling face of Osama bin Laden"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php/http/www.leftyblogs.com/cgi-bin/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1064366&mesg_id=1064366

[Bonobo]

62. You took the quote COMPLETELY out of context and twisted its meaning on its head.

The way I read that was that some people over there relate to a famous image of OBL as a gentle smiling man. The same quote goes on to say that it was good to send it to the bottom of the ocean.

If all the other quotes are as twisted and out of context as that, you must realize that it impacts your trustworthiness.

[Warren DeMontague]

64. That's the way you read it, then. Here's what's undeniable:

There are people here who will fall all over themselves explaining that he's innocent, or that the "FBI never accused him of 9-11" or (my favorite) Cheney said that he didn't do it (speaking of taking quotes out of context and misinterpreting them) ... then there's "he was unarmed".. "what we did was illegal" (how?) "we violated his civil rights" (how?)

... people have compared him to lynching victims in the south. Is that fair to victims of that horror? ...Really?


He's not as bad as "the banking cabal"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1041281&mesg_id=1041400

Killing him is like the slaughter of the Native Americans:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1028791&mesg_id=1028860

I understand standing for principle, but to deal solely in principle with a total ignorance of the extremely out-of-the-ordinary circumstance this one, particular event entailed, strikes me as deliberately obtuse. At best.

Honestly, like I said, I'm tired of the whole conversation at this point. Although the porn angle is funny, if predictable.

[DainBramaged]

46. Why is this important?

:shrug:

[pauldp]

63. It was the ISI's porn stash. Good american porn, given

them by the CIA. Many hours to be killed while looking after the old man/asset.