John Kerry to those attacking Obama admin's Osama killing: "Shut up and move on."

[Dark]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/08/shut-up-and-move-on-kerry-says/?hpt=T1


Washington (CNN) – Democratic Sen. John Kerry said it is time to stop questioning the exact occurrences in Osama bin Laden’s house before his death in Abbottabad, Pakistan, at the hand of U.S. Navy SEALs.

“I thinks those SEALs did exactly what they should have done,” the senator from Massachusetts and 2004 presidential nominee said Sunday on CBS’ “Face the Nation.” “And we need to shut up and move on about, you know, the realities of what happened in that building.”

[dkf]

1. Lol. Well that is blunt enough.

[seabeyond]

2. i like kerry. so bummed we didnt get him as pres. booyah, kerry. nt

[Dark]

3. Especially compared to what we got instead...

Ugh. So glad W is gone.

[NewJeffCT]

62. The worst part of the Bush legacy

[jillan]

4. Hardest election of my life. It literally affected my emotions for a long, long time.

[seabeyond]

5. yup... nt

[wisteria]

7. Me too. n/t

[nevergiveup]

8. Me too

Election night 2004 was one of the most depressing nights ever.

[dog_lovin_dem]

10. I grieved as if

I'd lost a family member. My husband thought I was crazy...Though I hardly ever post, reading DU got me through that horrible nightmare...and many others during the Bush regime.

[CTyankee]

56. Oh, I know. I had discovered DU right before the election...

I had gotten pumped up, thinking we couldn't possibly lose AGAIN.

Election Day was pretty bad...

[madmax]

105. +100 Unbelievable.

[a la izquierda]

41. agreed...

I had just moved to Oklahoma from California. I was super depressed...

[svpadgham]

97. Depressed because of the results

or because you move to Oklahoma? Ba-dum tss.

[a la izquierda]

111. At the time, both.

And severely, I might add. I still live in Oklahoma (for 3 more months), but it is a great place, if you don't talk politics.
My state senator and rep are both Democrats. They're great, really.

[CTyankee]

54. I have often said that thank god for stephanie mIller in early 05 when I discovered her!

She and her mooks were just so damn funny satirizing repukes that I got belly laughs 5 days a week! Ditto Al Franken.

It was a tough time...I know how you felt...:hi:

[Dappleganger]

55. Same here.

When it happens twice in a row, you feel like giving up on voting completely.

[SharonAnn]

63. Still does affect mine. When I think of the terrible price we've already paid and

the price yet to be paid for that administration, my heart breaks.

We were on track to have the national debt paid off last year and be in surplus this year. What we could've done with that kind of financial solvency! It breaks my heart.

And now the GOP is all about Deficit Reduction! Bullshit!

[smirkymonkey]

77. Same here - I went into a severe depression for I don't know how

long.

[treestar]

87. Amen!

Exactly!

[d_b]

94. same

i was in a dark place for months.

[WilliamPitt]

121. Yup.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

9. 80,000 supporters & The Boss gather for Kerry in Madison, WI on October 28, 2004

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VvIjBqlqQM

I remember watching these clips and seeing the photos and thinking "We're gonna win this."

Like they say, life's what happens when you're making other plans.

[iwishiwas]

11. I was there that day--I still remember it. Hopes were high then.

[blm]

14. And remember how newsmedia wouldn't report on the crowds for Kerry and Bush honestly.

They were on 'pretend' mode for Bush till Katrina became an event they could NOT spin for him.

[seabeyond]

35. news didnt report anything with kerry, but the stupid ass fake story swift boat. i stopped

watching news in oct 2004. i watched kerry FINALLY get his 20 minute speech on tv where he addressed and talked about his four issues. iraq, education, small business and i forget the fourth. all of 20 friggin minutes. media bitched that neither candidate talked substance. 20 friggin minutes stream lined and the media comes back and ONLY talks about how dry and boring.

it was a huge WTF, cant even concentrate for 20 fuckin minutes.

after that i turned off all news.

continually being told we really didnt like kerry.

[madmax]

106. Great Pix thanks for posting nt

[Jeneral2885]

79. he is better as Chairman of the Senate FR committee

does quite a good (but not best) job at it, especially wrt to International Development efforts. hope he can stay there.

[seabeyond]

80. how do you know he is better than he would have been as pres? lol. i think he would have

been a good pres.

and i am glad we have him where he is.

i didnt buy into a lot of the media fed and rw fed characterization of kerry.

[Jeneral2885]

81. It's the best job for him

Congressional responsibility is sometimes more powerful that Presidential.

And this is coming form his views on development and foreign policy.

[seabeyond]

83. i think it is a good position for him. i also think pres is a good position for him. nt

[politicasista]

93. You mean "not the best" when it comes to being animated or drama?

:shrug:

Some DU Kerry supporters would disagree and say he has done an excellent job as committee chair without the publicity that other committees with media darlings (i.e. McCain, Lieberman, Brown-MA, etc) that get more attention because our lamestream media loves theatrics and chaos, rather than substance over style.

[liberalmike27]

112. Believe Me, I want to move on

The media just won't shut up about it, almost every article in the paper is about it, war, war, more war, I just can't get away from it.

I'll move on if they will.

[wakemewhenitsover]

126. self-delete/double-post

[wakemewhenitsover]

127. Especially since Kerry won that election. n/t

[provis99]

6. some on DU will now throw Kerry under the bus.

Because Osama was you know, innocent, and a kind old man.

[Bluebear]

12. Show us the DUers who said Osama was, you know, innocent, k?

[BzaDem]

13. There's an entire subforum that claims he had nothing to do with 9/11. n/t

[Rex]

16. Where?

[Warren DeMontague]

20. It's hidden, hard to find

put there by our ILLUMINATI NEW WORLD ORDER CENSORS WHO WANT TO KEEP US FROM THE TROOF!

[Rex]

21. You found three people, yeah I guess it is a few people. BFD.

But you can blame the illuminati if it makes you feel safer.

[Warren DeMontague]

23. Yeah, by definition, three is a few.

I'd blame the Patriarchy, but that's a different kettle of fish.

[Rex]

27. I blame people that have nothing better to do.

I mean THREE! Dam! That is like half of DU or sumjunk.

[Cherchez la Femme]

65. Oh, Conspiracy Theorists in a dungeon

but still -- as long as they support your argument! Go for it! :rofl:

Oh, and how many, BTW?

[Warren DeMontague]

132. You're either boldly exploring new frontiers in post-modern poetry

or in making no sense whatsoever. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, for now, and assume it's the former.

[Youth Uprising]

99. Cut that shit out...

You know damn well that the people who believe in that shit don't post here and that the vast majority of them are NOT liberal/progressives. Is Glenn Beck a liberal now? Is Alex Jones a progressive? Alex Jones and his ilk are right-wing libertarians. STOP conflating reasonable people who have questions about what happened on 9/11 to a bunch of right-wing lunatics.

[Warren DeMontague]

130. "people who believe in that shit don't post here" - yeah, some of 'em do.

Hang out long enough, you'll encounter some.

[Dark]

88. Go check out the 9/11 subforum. A couple of years ago, the admins pushed all truther arguments

there. Both GD and GDP were horrible places back then.

[RaleighNCDUer]

61. Fuck 9/11 - we KNOW he was behind the embassy bombings and Cole bombing.

But I firmly believe that if Osama had anything to do with 9/11, Bush fucked up the investigation so badly that he could not be convicted in court of it.

And that is why, till the day he died, the FBI 'most wanted' did not list 9/11 as one of his crimes.

[Warren DeMontague]

18. k.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1065387&mesg_id=1065549

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1055231&mesg_id=1055938

"not innocent, but not wanted for 9-11"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1065387&mesg_id=1065809

with "no hard evidence connecting bin laden to 9-11" in bold text.

[Cherchez la Femme]

69. What about evidence for:

Aden, Yemen bombings?

The FIRST WTC bombing?

Involvement in the Eritrea, Sudanese & Somali civil wars?

Embassy bombings in Tanzania & Kenya? (Of which Al Qaeda was chased out of the country by their citizens)

USS Cole bombing?

Britain's 7/7 attack?

Spain's passenger rail attack?

All the plots uncovered which thankfully never were able to be carried out?


With all that, there must be some good evidence
--if there isn't any good evidence for any of those, then I would have to seriously reevaluate my opinion on bin Laden and Al Qaeda:

If there's 'no good evidence' for even ONE of those instances of terror, then I'd be very concerned we were sold the equivalent of the Brooklyn Bridge --and-- a huge pile of rotten fish...

[Warren DeMontague]

134. You must be confused as to what the point being discussed in this subthread is.

The point I was proving was that some people here HAVE argued that Bin Laden is "innocent", at least pertaining to 9-11.

Thank you for backing up my point.


Just for shits and giggles, though, I'm wondering if any of this qualifies as 'good evidence', to you:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2004/10/29/binladen_message041029.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3966817.stm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6363306/

[Name removed]

145. Deleted message

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[Warren DeMontague]

154. So, to be clear, you think he wasn't responsible for 9-11?

Who do you think was?

[sabrina 1]

76. You have a problem with facts?

He was indicted for the embassy bombings, but never for 9/11. Now if you know something other than those facts, please link to them. Or was the FBI claiming he was innocent also?

I see we have a 'few' people here also who would prefer we ignore facts.

[Warren DeMontague]

135. No. Do you?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6363306/

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2004/10/29/binladen_message041029.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3966817.stm



Now imagine that he had done something truly reprehensible, like asked someone not to smoke on the subway...

think, then, perhaps the Ghandi-like commitment to nonviolence might crack? :shrug:

[sabrina 1]

140. What has any of that got to do with the fact

that the FBI stated they did not add charges for 9/11 on his Most Wanted Page because they did not have enough evidence?? THAT is a fact whether you like it or not.

It is not a CT, it was stated by the FBI.

His Most Wanted Page does not show him being indicted or charged in relation to 9/11. That is all.

You made negative comments against people for pointing out that FACT. Should they try to hide it for some reason? What is your problem with people simply stating facts?

Frankly, when I first learned that fact, I was shocked. But there it is, so I don't get your attitude about it.

[Warren DeMontague]

144. What do you suppose that MEANS? I mean, aside from the obvious, i.e.

there was more solid evidence to prosecute him on the Cole and Embassy bombings, and as others have noted, it's entirely possible that Bush fucked up the case re: 9-11 so badly as to make it not prosecutable. That does NOT mean he didn't do it. As shown, he ADMITTED being responsible. Not sure why that doesn't count.



So... you find it "shocking" that the FBI didn't put 9-11 on the wanted page. What, precisely, do you think this "shocking" fact implies?



And, also-- let me ask you- if he had been accused of telling someone not to smoke on the subway, instead of ordering the deaths of over 3,000 innocent people, would you find it easier to stomach an act of violence against him?

Maybe instead of bending over backwards to wiggle him into the position of innocent victim, you might say something like "I hope he learned his lesson"

[sabrina 1]

149. I am against violence, not that I am unrealistic about it, it

is part of the world we live in, so it's never a good idea to invite it. Smart people understand there are lunatics out there, some of them capable of murder even. Sane people eg, won't jump into a lion's den where a mother is feeding her babies. Otoh there are people who think that because they have the right to do stupid things, they should. Then they whine about the consequences.

If you are going to BE violent, believing you have a right to be, then don't whine when you face the consequences. They should have been part of the calculation.

I am for rational, sane assessments of situations before taking action. I trust our judicial system, I believe it is the best in the world. It worked eg, on the last major terrorist who attacked this country, the first terror attack in 1993. From those trials we learned a lot, well those who were paying attention and not distracted by Monica Lewinsky.


The reason it was shocking to most people when they discovered OBL was not indicted for 9/11 on his Most Wanted page was because we were led to believe for so long that there was no doubt. Maybe you expect your government to lie to you, but I did not at that time. Now, well, we've all learned a lot since then.

No one said he wasn't responsible, the FBI didn't say it, nor have I. What the FBI said was that they had no 'hard evidence' to indict him with. That is relevant to people who respect our judicial system. Not having the evidence didn't mean not being able to gather it. But that's unlikely to happen now. It is unfinished business.

While YOU prefer to accept the government's word without question, especially if its your political party you are relying on, you will just have to get used to the fact that these events had such serious consequences for this country and others, that people will not stop asking or pointing out inconsistencies until maybe one day they feel satisfied that they have some semblance of the truth.

If you don't like that fact, and would prefer we all just STFU and accept the 'official story' on everything, I feel bad for you. That will not happen in a democracy, especially when there are many missing pieces, and questionable pieces of info, and when the event has caused so much death and destruction and, the most serious threat to this country, the destruction of the Constitution in the name of the WOT. We want to know it was worth all of that.

What that fact, no evidence re 9/11, revealed was how casually the government lies to the AMerican people and how willing we used to be to accept the lies without question. That we now know, was a very bad thing. It got this country into two useless wars and cost us lives and trillions of dollars, not to mention what has been done to the US's status in the world. So now, people are less willing to accept whatever the government tells them. And that is a good thing.

[Warren DeMontague]

150. So, in short, you "doubt" that he was responsible.

Either he was responsible, or he wasn't. "no hard evidence" does not equal "there is doubt". They're not the same thing.

I do find it incredibly telling that the lady who got stabbed in the face with a pen on subway for complaining about smoke is "whining", yet you're more than happy to toss insults at people who aren't sufficiently weepy about the "poor, gently smiling man in his jammies" who was shot by Navy SEALs.

[sabrina 1]

151. So you don't trust our judicial system?

That explains why you are so willing to give it up along with all the other rights already sacrificed?

Bush and Bin Laden sure did a job on the American psyche. Thanks for confirming that dead or alive, Bin Laden got what he wanted in the end.

[Bluebear]

152. That is the saddest, truest commentary about the whole tragedy.

'Thanks for confirming that dead or alive, Bin Laden got what he wanted in the end.'

[Warren DeMontague]

153. Sad chicken is sad, too.

Squakk!!

[BobbyBoring]

85. Here's one

There are many more

[SidDithers]

37. See downthread...nt

Sid

[liberation]

84. And some on DU doth project too much

(former republicans?)

[Rex]

15. Meh...you mean like you did when you rolled over in the elections?

Yeah, now I see why Kerry would say that - it is obviously his life motto. :eyes:

[Arkana]

118. He lost that election, albeit narrowly.

[Bluebear]

17. "Shut up and move on." - sounds like what we were told after Ohio '04

[Warren DeMontague]

Okay, let's keep talking about it, then.

Works for me.

[Rex]

22. And by SoreLoserman in 2000.

The hits just keep on a rollin...

[Warren DeMontague]

25. It also sounds like what we tried to tell Ken Starr when he was obsessed with Clinton's dick.

In fact, I think a large organization with the name "moveon" came out of it.

Which relates very little, if at all, to Kerry's criticism of armchair QBing and hand-wringing over Osama's death, but then again, "what we were told in Ohio 2004" and "what we were told by soreloserman" doesn't really relate to it, either.

[Rex]

26. No we didn't, everyone in the world loved KS wrapped around

Clinton's dick. America ate that shit up for as long as the money train would run. Then again, moveon has it's haters. Which has nothing to do with what Bluebear and I said.

[Warren DeMontague]

28. Well, okay, gents.

Personally, I think 10 years on this crappo is more than enough time, I'd like to see this country "move on" (excuse the tired phrase) to ending the WOT, cutting the military budget, fixing our infrastructure, finding clean renewable ways to power our shit, getting full equality for our GLBT citizens, ending the drug war, and a whole host of other long-overdue shit that we haven't begun to touch, in part because we've been stuck in this god-damn post 9-11 limbo for so long....

...As far as DU goes, if the folks who find OBL's killing "problematic" really want to keep this discussion going here, I'm sure the rest of this place will oblige.

[Rex]

29. Seriously, it will be on the back burner in a weeks time.

Think of all the stuff we've had just happen in 2011...OBL will be a blip on the Radar of Life.

Unless Pakistan gets serious and starts something, then I think we won't be able to just 'move on'.

Speaking of power and shit, I just read the 'poo to power' thread and find it far more interesting then this thread.

I find poo to be far more interesting then OBL.

[Warren DeMontague]

30. I thought it was going to be thermal depolymerization, but I guess it's different.

I remember a big to-do a few years back about "garbage to gas". I think the problem with that technology is the amount of energy required to put in doesn't make it cost-effective.

I agree, I think the poop to power story is fascinating.

Like I said, I hope the take-away from this whole OBL thing is that we can finally put the last 10 years behind us, the decade that was so lame it could not be named.

[Rex]

33. I call it the Post Reagan Era.

I can put OBL way way behind me and people will too, yet the question is one for debate...but not by me. The guy is dead or strapped upside-down to a steal spring mattress and a car battery in Syria. Either way, he is one dead fucker and I think the days of 'fat' & 'thin' OBL tapes are done.

[Bluebear]

136. I'm imagining who "ignored" is and what bullshit s/he is trying with you lol

[Warren DeMontague]

137. Ignored. Which, come to think of it, rhymes with "fnord".

Wow. I never realized that, before.

See how much you miss, using that lame ignore function? No, you don't. You'll never know. Sigh. :cry:

I wonder what happened with that guy who was putting, I don't know, 20 people an hour on his dreaded 'ignore list' a couple days ago.. whaddaya think he's up to now? Talking to himself, no doubt.


Anyway, just thought I'd check in. The sound of one hand clapping probably sounds like this post. This is ignored, filmed in ignore-o-vision, headlining tonights ignoreapalooza.

Coming to you live, from

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9CL7FdZFFw

:hi:

[Cherchez la Femme]

72. Wow, you sure do defend those Republicans, don't ya??

Victims, I tells ya -- they're all victims of the eeevvviilll DemocRATS (i.e. Libruls), right?

Edit: & I just reached your poo-poo'ing of those damn Fasci-Environmentalist GREENies! & I don't mean Party, although I'm sure you have a shit-load to say about them (see the theme here? : ) but them dirty hippie tree-huggers!
Wow. What a blessing you're a New Democrat!
U r sooo awesome, dood!





Not.

[Warren DeMontague]

129. What?

fuck it, never mind.

[Le Taz Hot]

39. I was wondering if someone

was going to go there. It's the first thing I thought of -- "Shut up and move on" are probably not something Kerry needs to ever be saying again in public.

[Bragi]

48. Also used in 2003 against antiwar people

It's also what those of us who opposed the Bush invasion of Iraq were told to do.

[krabigirl]

49. Yep.

[Cherchez la Femme]

71. And --albeit in a much nicer way--

what we were told during/after January 2009
when The People wanted the war crimes committed (oh, *allegedly* :eyes:) by Bush, Cheney et. al. investigated...

[still_one]

19. If he was that way in 2004 he would have been President. Sometimes I think those adivsors telling

the candidates what to do or not, do not have any grasp of reality

[Cherchez la Femme]

73. That telling citizens with legitimate concerns to "Shut up"?

O RLY?

Although I must say, that ridiculous manly-man 'duck hunting' (or whatever it was he was off shooting) photo-op was downright laughable.

[The Second Stone]

24. It's a democracy and we want to know what happened

and debate the ethics of it. I didn't approve of Bush's "watch what you say" line and I don't approve of it when a democrat does it.

[coalition_unwilling]

32. I'm with you but, for the record, Dick Go Fuck Yourself Cheney said,

"People better watch what they say."

[The Second Stone]

53. I am the anti-Cheney

even though I do watch what I say. It is okay to discuss how this was done, why it was done, if it was the right thing (probably was) and why. Cuz this is a free frickin' country!

[coalition_unwilling]

58. DUer Sid Dithers brought to my attention in a most non-snarky

way the fact that I had mis-attributed the sentiment to Cheney when it was actually Bush's first press secretary, Ari Fleischer, who uttered the words. Cheney was too busy presiding over the development of legal theories to justify the waterboarding of those who don't watch what they say to actually issue the warning.

That false-memory\anit-Cheney syndrome gets me when i least expect it.

Thanks Sid :)

[jbfam4]

96. Cheney to Leahy

http://politicalhumor.about.com/b/2004/06/25/cheney-to-leahy-go-fk-yourself.htm

[coalition_unwilling]

122. Hate to keep beating a dead horse, but there are two statements:

"Go fuck yourself" -- Cheney to Leahy
"People better watch what they say" -- Bush White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer to a press briefing.

Thanks to Sid Dithers for pointing out my initial mis-attribution of the 2nd statement to Cheney (and for re-focusing my 'outrage' :)

[Marr]

82. oops

Already covered.

[Name removed]

31. Deleted message

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[SidDithers]

36. And there he goes. Under the bus...

:rofl:

Sid

[coalition_unwilling]

44. And right where he belongs . . . with Dick "People Should Watch

What They Say" Cheney.

[SidDithers]

46. That was Ari Fleischer...

at least get your outrage properly directed.

Sid

[coalition_unwilling]

51. OK. Funny, but I seem to recall both Cheney and Fleischer each

uttering an iteration of the same sentiment, Cheney of course with a snarl, Fleischer with that Himmler-esque ominoussness so prevalent in the days immediately following 9-11. Memory is a funny thing, though. Sure enough, I checked on Google and can find no mention of Cheney having uttered the sentiment. Chalk it up to my Cheney hatred, I suppose.

I'm an American and I don't appreciate being told to 'Shut up,' whether it come from Republicans, Democrats or from anyone for that matter.

[Cherchez la Femme]

74. Not "poutrage"? You're slipping, Sid...

[Name removed]

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[gratuitous]

45. Thank you for your concern, Senator

But I'm afraid I'm a bit too attached to that quaint old document, and "realities" that matter to me include due process, rules of evidence, trials, and the like. Those principles are what set the United States apart once upon a time. Even people that were really, really bad were entitled to them.

See, Mr. Kerry, when you have a principle, you look for applications, not exceptions.

[Bragi]

50. Hey, get over that rule of law nonsense

I have the same problem. Anyone attached to values like free speech, due process, rule of law etc. is now most often seen as holding extreme views.

This is how fascism is winning out.

[gratuitous]

52. I'm really trying

And there's no shortage of folks working very hard to persuade me that the Constitution is merely a quaint old document with a bunch of words that don't mean anything. I'm trying to see it their way, but I keep getting held up on that oath thing ("preserve, protect and defend the Constitution") and the fact that it used to work so well. In fact, following the Constitution works better on its worst day than these extra-legal shortcuts work on their best days.

It's all very confusing to suddenly be an extremist without budging.

[Bragi]

57. Indeed, it is confusing when the political center moves

The "center" in American politics has moved so far to the right that it's hard for any defender of old-time constitutional values not to be seen as extreme, sadly, even on boards like this.

[KoKo]

109. I also thank Senator Kerry...for "his concern" ...at this time..

:eyes:

[JI7]

34. i love JK

[JoePhilly]

38. He should have said, "stop whining".

[sufrommich]

40. Good for Kerry, well put. nt

[tekisui]

42. Misleading headline. Kerry said nothing about 'those attacking Obama'.

Kerry should recognize the value in asking hard and important questions. There are those who will simply attack Obama to chip away at him politically.

But, there are also those who are taking a broader perspective and asking what this means for US foreign policy. What precedents have been set and where is the line on targeted assassinations. Who is a legitimate target? When do we have the right to ignore sovereignty? What other nations or parties have these same rights?

Kerry, and DUers, should be careful not to conflate those whoa are out for political scalp for those who are asking the questions that need to be asked and answered.

[Inuca]

43. Good statement, except

I truly doubt that Kerry said "I thinkS" :-)

[Enrique]

47. no

:shrug:

[politicasista]

59. Kick

Apologies for writing that mean stuff last week and month about him to promote the President as his expense.


:kick: :patriot:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

60. "Shut up and move on"? Sorry, senator, it's still a democracy.

Or, maybe he's still thinking about that vote for war in Iraq.

[Cherchez la Femme]

64. Yeeeaahhh! "Shut Up"!

Just STFU you peons! Yeah!

How adult of him! :rofl:

Sersly, this just gets better & better... if one has a sense of irony and sarcasm, of course.

[Autumn]

66. Let's see, we moved on in 2000 and 2004

Nothing to see here.

[FourScore]

67. The man who was right all along is still right. n/t

[ProSense]

68. Kerry is right. People

like John Yoo and Condi Rice need to STFU!

[emulatorloo]

116. Du'ers appear to think it was aimed at them.

Which is kinda silly.

[BlueIris]

70. Even I think whining about the particulars is pointless.

Does anyone truly believe any government in the world would have let OBL live?

[Ohio Joe]

75. K&R - nt

[girl gone mad]

78. The dumbing down of America..

proceeds unabated.

This is, supposedly, one of our more erudite politicians. How embarrassing for us.

[Enrique]

89. hopefully he will take this back

or apologize, or at least clarify that he's not really telling people who are asking questions to "shut up".

[politicasista]

91. Politico should be the one to take it back

He didn't say it.

[Enrique]

95. well the thing he didn't say is very popular on DU

many people like the idea of a Senator telling people to shut up and stop asking questions.

[politicasista]

98. That's because outrage sells

And the media knows that the chronic Kerry haters will fall for it.

Maybe they should go after the right target, instead of the wrong one. You should call or e-mail him about the misleading headline.

[politicasista]

110. Also, he doesn't tell anyone

to "shut up and stop asking questions" at his town halls like some pols do.

[emulatorloo]

119. Um he is talking to the assholes on Fox News.

Hate to tell you.

[politicasista]

147. +1

On second thought, he does not need to call or e-mail the Senator. He was talking about repukes on and off Faux news. :)

[liberation]

86. Ironic, Kerry's prominence is based on the fact that he did not "shut up and move on" in the 70s

It seems that a lot of elected officials, in this democracy of ours, do not seem to grasp the fact that open unrestricted information and debate are two basic necessities for the whole democratic process to work. Irony compounded, I guess.

What is good for the goose, is not fit for the gander, again and again...

[emulatorloo]

131. Is is good for fox news and the Bush/Cheney brigade? Because that is who he is addressing.

That crowd has no interest in open unrestricted information and debate - Their agenda is to CYA and descredit the Obama admin/Democrats in general in any way possible.

Kerry isnt addressing DU. He is addressing the liars. And they do need to STFU

[Bluenorthwest]

90. The headline says he is speaking to administration critics

the quote shows him defending the SEALS in the target room, not the kids in the hall back in DC. Very different things. The bit added to the headline by the OP is inaccurate and misleading.

[coalition_unwilling]

92. With all due respect, it hardly matters to whom he's addressing his

dictate to 'shut up.' Who the fuck does Kerry think he is to be telling any of his fellow citizens to 'shut up'?

[Youth Uprising]

102. Exactly...

First, Obama tells people to have their head examined and now this? WTF

[jbfam4]

104. You were right about Cheney

see post 96 or here it is http://politicalhumor.about.com/b/2004/06/25/cheney-to-leahy-go-fk-yourself.htm

This was said on the Senate floor

[WildEyedLiberal]

113. You've been calling people names and ignoring people all over the place these past few days

I find your sudden concern for the free exchange of ideas disingenuous :puke:

[Bluenorthwest]

123. All due respect, but I said nothing about 'whom' he is addressing

I pointed out that he is not defending the actions of the President, but of the SEALS. The headline is misleading in that regard. That was the point I was making, a valid point, all due respect. Your issue is a different one. Nothing to do with what I wrote.

[Jester Messiah]

101. Fuckin' A, Senator.

Note the comma people. NOTE IT.

[G_j]

103. that sounds too familiar

:-(

[KoKo]

107. truly...

:-(

[sibelian]

108. Hm, didn't go the way they wanted, then.

Politicians, eh?

[deacon]

114. He's damn right. Bin laden apologists make me sick. n/t

[coalition_unwilling]

120. Extra-judicial executions make me sick - n/t

[bluestate10]

115. Hail Kerry. nt

[emulatorloo]

117. ALERT TO ALL DU'ERS - KERRY IS NOT TALKING TO DU. He's talking to LImbaugh, Bush Apologists

and the Usual Suspects who are out bloviating on the Fox News Channel.

If you are paying attention those types are making LOTS and Lots of noise.

DU is a little outpost on the internet, it does not have a syndicated radio show or an entire cable "news" channel. Kerry is not talking about DU, so tone down the outrage. You will feel better.

[coalition_unwilling]

With all due respect, it hardly matters to whom Kerry is addressing his

comments. They are equally offensive and inappropriate whether directed to the left- or the right wing. Sounds to me like he's addressing his command to 'shut up' to anyone who dares question the official narrative of the OBL hit.

[emulatorloo]

128. Will all due respect, I have no problem with Kerry saying this to Bushbot liars

Bush apologists and Fox "Commentators" aren't interested in "questioning the official narrative" - they have a different agenda entirely.

As you well know.

Have a great night.

[coalition_unwilling]

139. Well, I went to the original story cited in the OP and there's no

sign whatsoever in the story as written that Kerry's remarks are addressed to Bush apologists and Fox 'Commentators'. Now I did not see CBS' Face the Nation this Sunday so there may be a larger context than that which the story itself conveys. If so, then your point is taken. But Kerry comes across as an authoritarian shithead in the printed story, hence my visceral reaction.

[emulatorloo]

142. I just found the transcript - his comments are addressed to "some people in some parts of the world

So non-US, non-Fox news. (Not DU either, LOL) That print article is awful. I just made some assumptions and I was wrong.

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/FTN_050811.pdf

===

BOB SCHIEFFER: Do you think this means that’s the end of al Qaeda?

SENATOR JOHN KERRY: Well, I--I don’t want to speculate. What I do know is that this is an
unbelievable treasure of--of information, number one. Number two--and I think this is really4
important, Bob, for people to factor in. You know, some people in some parts of the world have
been questioning the shooting of Osama bin Laden. Let me tell you. Those SEALs had no idea
what they were going to meet in there. And they had no idea whether Osama bin Laden was
lunging for a button that would blow up the entire building. They had no--there were weapons in
the room. He was reaching for them. What we do know is he was not surrendering. It was the
dead of night. And that is as--as--as tense and as hairy an operation as you can have. I think
those SEALs did exactly what they should have done. And we need to shut up and move on
about you know, the realities of what happened in that building. The information that comes out
of it absolutely underscores the degree to which Osama bin Laden was actively running,
plotting, organizing, recruiting, engaged in the entire management of al Qaeda. This man was
not retired. He had not stepped back. He had not receded into the shadows. He was not
irrelevant. He was, in fact, the center. And this was the home office that we succeeded in now
putting in our possession and in Pakistani possession. Hopefully, it will lead to the breaking up
of plots that may have been imminent. It will lead to their operatives. It will lead us to people in
other countries who may have been supportive. There may be information about financing.
There may be information about their operatives in Pakistan or elsewhere.

BOB SCHIEFFER (overlapping): What--

SENATOR JOHN KERRY: It’s extraordinarily important.

BOB SCHIEFFER: We’re told there was information there in documents enough for a small
library.

SENATOR JOHN KERRY: Yeah.

BOB SCHIEFFER: Do you think we should have told that? I mean, how do you evaluate the
way the administration is handling this?

SENATOR JOHN KERRY: I think they’re handled it superbly with, you know, the small hick up
of really racing out with a little bit too much information before everybody had been thoroughly
debriefed. That is not unusual in a wartime event where as--as you get more information things
kind of come together. I don’t fault for them for that at all. I think it’s the nature of the beast. But
in every other respect I think they have done this strategically, thoughtfully. I think the burial at
sea, the fact that they have not released the photo. All of that, I completely agree with. And I
think, frankly, letting these folks know that we have this information is actually a way of deterring
certain activities from taking place. They may go underground a little more but their going
underground at a time where we have greater knowledge as to who they are, where they were,
what they were planning and what they were doing. So, I think they’re on the defensive
significantly so. And I think strategically the administration has done very, very well.

[coalition_unwilling]

146. Wow, the internet is a powerful tool. I had no idea you could

get written transcripts of network TV shows after the fact. Thanks for that.

Very weird rambling statement with the 'shut up' buried inside it. So I don't quite know what to make of it or to whom it is addressed. Still seems out of line for a U.S. Senator to tell people to 'shut up' but not as egregious or offensive as I had first imagined it . . . more colloquial

[emulatorloo]

148. I know! Most of those shows put out a transcript the next day

He seems to be basically defending the >seals< from armchair quarterbacks from "around the world". Makes sense given his history under fire.

[hulka38]

124. A veteran politician's move to turn it into

a criticism of the the SEALs when of course it isn't that at all.

[Incitatus]

125. It's good to see he agrees. Some here said Kerry woulldn't have given the same orders that Obama did

[Prometheus Bound]

133. He doesn't really say why people should shut up.

I certainly find the whole thing confusing. Why should I shut up?

[Quixote1818]

138. Not kidding! nt

[Leopolds Ghost]

141. Is Kerry telling who the Post is writing serious front page articles about to "shut up?"

The people who are concerned about the rule of law and upset that Duke and American University polisci professors and legal experts are proclaiming that this sets a precedent that any enemy combatant or enemy leader can be executed in similar fashion instead of captured, the people like me who are upset over the lack of closure and the unwillingness to rebuild the towers and the fact that we started three wars in the Middle East using Bin Laden as a pretext only to execute him Mafia-style when we finally captured him, or people who are upset that we had the opportunity for a tribunal,

LIKE WITH THE HUTU INTERAHAMWE ??

(not that many ignorant buffoons who are now old enough to vote even know what the Hutu Interahamwe are or what they did)

[emulatorloo]

143. ACTUAL Transcript of Kerry's words here:

BOB SCHIEFFER: Do you think this means that’s the end of al Qaeda?

SENATOR JOHN KERRY: Well, I--I don’t want to speculate. What I do know is that this is an
unbelievable treasure of--of information, number one. Number two--and I think this is really4
important, Bob, for people to factor in. You know, some people in some parts of the world have
been questioning the shooting of Osama bin Laden. Let me tell you. Those SEALs had no idea
what they were going to meet in there. And they had no idea whether Osama bin Laden was
lunging for a button that would blow up the entire building. They had no--there were weapons in
the room. He was reaching for them. What we do know is he was not surrendering. It was the
dead of night. And that is as--as--as tense and as hairy an operation as you can have. I think
those SEALs did exactly what they should have done. And we need to shut up and move on
about you know, the realities of what happened in that building. The information that comes out
of it absolutely underscores the degree to which Osama bin Laden was actively running,
plotting, organizing, recruiting, engaged in the entire management of al Qaeda. This man was
not retired. He had not stepped back. He had not receded into the shadows. He was not
irrelevant. He was, in fact, the center. And this was the home office that we succeeded in now
putting in our possession and in Pakistani possession. Hopefully, it will lead to the breaking up
of plots that may have been imminent. It will lead to their operatives. It will lead us to people in
other countries who may have been supportive. There may be information about financing.
There may be information about their operatives in Pakistan or elsewhere.

BOB SCHIEFFER (overlapping): What--

SENATOR JOHN KERRY: It’s extraordinarily important.

BOB SCHIEFFER: We’re told there was information there in documents enough for a small
library.

SENATOR JOHN KERRY: Yeah.