Bin Laden gave up on jihad.

[Renew Deal]

It turns out Bin Laden developed a fatal flaw. He decided to become a family man. He got holed up with his family and left the battlefield. He was still "in charge" but gave up jihad in a real way. A guy that wants to engage in battle isn't going to be laid up at home. He got so lazy that he didn't leave the house for 5 years. This eventually killed him.

[Puzzler]

1. Being the #1 wanted guy in the world also cramps one's style a wee bit

[RandomThoughts]

2. Speaking as someone that has not left my house in months.

And even then only a few times in years.


I find that an interesting concept, the due of beer and travel money that would allow that within acceptable peramiters of interactions in society, has not arrived.

So my war of repeating that I am due beer and travel money will intensify and continue.

Since I am due beer and travel money and many experiences and someone needs to send that.




Although I also have not found acceptable methods to correct that issue, and have never chosen to think or use ideas of violence or theft of free will as the symbol of many people choose to do.

Although that does not change that I am due beer and travel money, and many experiences.


Side note, I also don't think any posts here are relevant, nor increase nor decrease the timing of the arrival of beer and travel money that will occur, becuase it is a just due to me, not about any posts I make.

[Renew Deal]

5. You need to get out A LOT more often.

[RandomThoughts]

8. Why?

I am due beer and travel money.

And all permutations that include going anywhere, when that debt is due make no sense, or no more sense then not going anywhere.



You saying I should get out more, is a basic misunderstanding of existence.


How can you say I should get out more, when I am due beer and travel money and that has not been sent? What would be the purpose of getting out?


Anything I could do while out, or here for that matter, has no value or reason, when I should be doing what I should do with beer and travel money that is due. So anything I do is the same, so might as well post irrelevantly while awaiting the just payment of beer and travel money that is due.

there is no reason to go out, although the correlation in the other comment is interesting.

[krispos42]

13. This DUer lives up to his or her screen name

YES INDEED!

[riderinthestorm]

3. From what's reported in the news, he absolutely did NOT give up as leader

He was the operational head of AQ, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

Aung San Suu Kyi also hasn't left her house for decades. Do you think she's "lazy" and isn't willing to "engage in battle"?

Some fights really are ideological. And having/being propaganda masters means they are as fully engaged in "battle" as those with weapons on the field imho.

[Renew Deal]

7. I didn't say he gave up as leader.

But he did leave the battlefield. He hid in another country with his family. That's really not the action of a warrior. You are right that he was still engaged, but hiding with his family for so long says that his priorities changed.

[pnwmom]

11. I see no evidence his priorities changed.

He didn't engage in the work of the house that the other men engaged in, freeing him up to spend all his time on his jihad activities. You don't have to be physically on a battlefield to be a leading general.

[Common Sense Party]

12. He was never ON the battlefield. Other than during the Soviet occupation

when the mujahadeen were resisting, and Bin Laden shows up with all his dad's construction money and he and his Saudi buddies tried to play Wannabe Warrior for a while (and were completely feckless and the laughing stock of the Afghanis), when did OBL get down and dirty?

He has always led from the periphery, and sent others to carry out his bankrolled plans.

He may have fought in Tora Bora, but only because he had to to save his skin. But mostly what he did is run.

[Swede]

4. Like Hitler gave up on world domination while in his bunker.

[Renew Deal]

6. Not the same thing.

It would have been the same thing if Hitler hid in Switzerland while the war raged on.

[pintobean]

9. Just your average semi-retired, work-from-home dad

who planed the slaughter of innocent men, women and children by the thousands.

The poor man also suffered from self-inflicted agoraphobia.

[closeupready]

32. No, agoraphobia is irrational; in his case, he knew how hated he was,

so his seclusion was quite rational.

[pnwmom]

10. No, he didn't. He was actively directing operations from his home,

keeping in touch with computer thumb drives and couriers taking them back and forth.

[Cali_Democrat]

14. We don't know the extent to which he was planning ops from his hom

The CIA and the US government have yet to release details of the "treasure trove" of information they got from his home. My guess is that its a bunch of nothing and an exaggeration. Al-Qaeda has splintered so much since Bin Laden was chased out of Afghanistan.

For all we know, the guy could have very well been retired from the terrorism business. Be careful of CIA and Pentagon exaggeration trying to keep the flags waving, the patriotism high and the war on terror going.

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[pnwmom]

17. They would never be stupid enough to release details of the information

they retrieved. Sorry, but I trust Obama's word on this and I believe he IS in the position to know.

[Cali_Democrat]

19. You're probably right that we might never know the details of the information seized

The CIA is currently analyzing information and even some computer files apparently weren't even encrypted by Bin Laden so they should be easy to get to. We will have to trust the CIA's word about their contents.

Specific details may be released if they're confident the information will not compromise anti-terror activities. This has been done in the past so it is possible.

Again, as you said, it's possible that we'll never come to know the specific details of Bin Laden's recent involvement in terrorism because the information may never be released by the CIA or the other agencies.

[Distant Observer]

15. Really? I think the Paks knew he was effectively retired and "playing" as if he was still on Jihad

[pnwmom]

18. That's your opinion but it isn't backed up by anything

except other opinions.

[Hannah Bell]

20. neither is yours

[pnwmom]

21. Mine is backed up by what Obama said. He's in a position to know

and I don't believe he's lying.

[Hannah Bell]

22. which is your opinion.

[pnwmom]

23. This IS supposed to be a Democratic board, isn't it?

And he is a Democrat. I thought this was supposed to be a place where Democrats could be comfortable supporting other party members.

[ProfessorGAC]

24. Not When The Shriekers Get To A Thread

You can forget reasoned discussion at that point.
GAC

[Hannah Bell]

28. namecallers such as yourself are what destroys discussion.

[Hannah Bell]

25. i don't see what any of that has to do with anything. it's still just your opinion.

[SoCalDem]

26. The guys at the top were never the ones strapping on suicide belts

or flying planes into buildings..

They relied on their charisma & "charm" to recruit young zealots to actually DO the dirty work..

OBL was just aging, and being the most wanted man on earth, he hid out like the shifty coward that he was..holed up with women & kids, watching tv.. he may have thought the quantity of females & kids would be a shield for him, against attempts to capture him.. and of course the Pakistanis looked the other way too..

He was very much like any man who used to be "all that", and who lost it in later life, but who desperately clung to what used to be.. Like Norma Desmond, he was always ready for his close up...and he finally got it..

[Dorian Gray]

27. in the head

[11 Bravo]

29. He also gave up on breathing. Works for me.

[Blue-Jay]

30. .

[La Lioness Priyanka]

31. do you have anything to prove this assertion?