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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 08:00 PM
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Paul Ryan Gets an Earful as Tour Bombs
Edited on Thu May-05-11 04:21 AM by Pharaoh
Source: Common Dreams

KENOSHA, WI Paul Ryan, the smooth-if-not-always-substantive congressman, is the darling of the D.C. talk shows. The House Budget Committee chair, chosen by GOP House leaders to respond to President Obamas State of the Union Address, is the prime pitchman for the Wall Street lobbying agenda on everything from privatization of Social Security to tax cuts for the rich. During Congress spring break, he took his show on the road. U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Janesville, makes a point during a listening session held Friday, April 29, 2011, in Union Grove. (SCOTT ANDERSON - Racine Journal Time)




When he claimed that he was serious about balancing the budget, someone in the crowd shouted: Thats not what the Congressional Budget Office says. And the room erupted with cheers for the correction of the congressmans attempted deception.

When Ryan claimed his Republican budget plan would save Medicare and Medicaid, the packed room erupted with shouts of Liar!

When Ryan claimed that he didnt want to replace Medicare with a voucher system but rather with choices, a woman piped up: You can call it what you want, but dont tell us that its still Medicare.

Read more: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/05/04-7
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 08:04 PM
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1. Good for those voters!
These damn foolish Republicans need to hear them.

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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 08:21 PM
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2. I predict Ryan
will end up in the dustbin of history. He and all his fellow thieves as well.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #2
25.  I love that phrase...............
It's so commie! :) Trotskyist actually. He first used it talking about the Mensheviks in '17.

I definitely agree with the sentiment.
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Stuttgart77 Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 10:54 PM
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31. Well, when my kids are paying an 80% income tax rate
things might look a little different. The numbers are unbelievable. Something HAS to give.

These numbers can't be dealt with, without some serious cuts.

www.usdebtclock.org
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:07 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. We put tax rates back to the Eisenhower rates........
and it all goes away. We don't have a spending problem, we have a REVENUE problem. 30+ years of tax anathma by the supporters of the rich and cutting regulation and taxes on profit making companies have taken their toll on the REVENUE side of the budget.
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Iliyah Donating Member (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:20 PM
Response to Reply #34
35. And
you never forget the American people. WE are the ones that make America great. "We"
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Stuttgart77 Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #34
105. I'm talking an 80% income tax for everyone in the future
Because that's where the numbers are going in order to pay this behemoth off. Way too many promises in entitlements were made long ago.

Remember, the national debt is $46,000 for every person in the country today. It's just growing with interest from there.

That's not even counting the unfunded liabilities. You can't collect enough taxes to make that up. There's not enough money in the world.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #31
36. No cuts - revenue generation
solves many problems. If CA raised taxes by 1% on the richest 1%, we would be in better shape than we are.
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plumbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:36 PM
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37. Take a look a the tax rates from the United States in the past, starting in 1946.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/fed_individual_rate_...

Above a 90% rate, and the country had some of the best financial years it ever had, or that any country ever had.

Only Ronnie Raygun and his acolytes believed that lower rates are better for jobs and growth. Just the opposite - with high marginal rates, the cost of just parking money becomes high - it MUST be reinvested in plants, processes, research, all tax-deductible items.

The way it is now, we know that business has a minimum of $2 TRILLION parked and doing nothing - why should they? The incredibly bargain basement rates we have now make the cost of holding cash negligible. Nothing has to give. We just have to start paying for what we get, instead of charging.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #37
79. I don't think ANYBODY should pay 90%, just a FAIR share. Not
Edited on Thu May-05-11 12:05 PM by gateley
saying you do, but whenever I see that figure I react. :7. I. can't say "fair" if I believe some are being penalized unfairly. :shrug:
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plumbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 12:31 PM
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83. The 90% category is for those who have the most and who use government
services the most.

For instance, when a 20 bedroom home catches on fire versus a trailer house with 2 bedrooms, which uses more fire engines, firefighters, etc?

Who uses taxpayer-built and funded airports, homeless folks or wealthier frequent fliers?

Who wears out more pavement - bicyclists or someone being hauled in a limo?

On and on. Services must be paid for; they're not free. Seems unreasonable to let the wealthiest, most resource-consuming folks off with a free ride. I admit for the last 30 years, we love welfare banks, billionaires, and corporations, while we demonize the young, the homeless, the old, and the ill, but I don't think that's right.

Those who use the most should pay the most. Fairly simple.
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Stumbler Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #83
103. Preach on, friend!
Excellent points made.
:applause:
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indypaul Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #79
84. Income Tax Rates over 90% were in affect
from 1944-1963 and applied to TAXABLE INCOMES in excess of
Four Hundred Thousand Dollars. When people mention those
high rates that were a result of wartimes WWII, Korea and
Viet Nam. Our biggest fiscal problem right now just happens
to be the attempts to finance wars with ONLY borrowed funds.
Which did not work in the War of 1812 and the nation very
wisely adopted an income tax to finance the Civil War and
subsequent wars. We not only have to fight them we have to
pay for them when it comes to wars. I suggest we find a way
to prevent them if at all possible. Which just happens to be
through the UN right now, like it or not.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #84
90. Exactly.Polls claim %s of voters but always fail to mention that nearly half of us don't vote at all
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #90
91. Make an effort to get people registered because consequences are personal now
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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #79
101. They aren't paying 90%- they're paying 90% on earnings over a certain threshold.
So, for example, they pay 30% of the first $300,000; 40% of the second $300,000, 50% of the third $300,000.

At that rate, people would only be paying 90% on earnings over $2.1 million.

And I think that's reasonable. It certainly doesn't represent the same impact of taxing people making $30,000 at 20% in terms of purchasing power and quality of life.

Not being able to buy a third yacht isn't the same and choosing between food and medicine.
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 05:55 PM
Response to Reply #101
104. The last year we had a marginal rate over 90% was 1963
Back in 1963, that applied to the first dollar earned above $400,000 (for joint filers). Expressed in 2011 dollars, a fat cat wouldn't hit the 90% rate until and only on earnings above $2,921,137 dollars. Today's marginal rate on that income is 35%.

The marginal rate on someone at today's median income, $50k, in 1963 was 22%. Today it's 15%.

So we (or our marginally representative politicians) gave a marginal break to the highest earners of over 50% while giving the gullible median only 7%. but it gets worse!

Back in 1983 Reagan's Greenspan Commission saved Social Security for the next 75 years, cough!, by raising regressive FICA taxes from 5.35% to 6.2%. combining that with the employer paid portion (which conceivably otherwise could be paid in wages) amounts to a 1.7% tax increase.

So while stealing a 55% tax break for the wealthy, our political class mollified us with a little over 5% break for the true middle, leaving us with a sizeable debt. Now what do they want us to do? Pay for it by cutting social security and Medicare!!!

CLASS THEFT, pure and simple. Hopefully we don't let them get away with it anymore.

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Mariana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #79
110. You do understand that these are MARGINAL rates, right?
No one ever paid 90% on ALL their income. They paid the exact same rates on their first $5,000, $10,000, etc. of taxable income each year that everyone else did. They also had deductions available, if they chose to take advantage of them. No one was penalized for making money, they were penalized for hoarding it.
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on point Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 12:06 AM
Response to Reply #31
38. The Answer to reducing medical costs is SINGLE PAYER !!
The way to reduce the cost of medicare is to reduce the cost of medicine by eliminating insurance companies. We need this for our budget and to be competitive with the rest of the OECD which is generally paying 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of medical care per person in their society and covering everyone, with quality care.

The answer is NOT cutting carer because we can't free our thinking!
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 06:38 AM
Response to Reply #38
51. Absolutely.
Peoples illnesses and health should not be a money making undertaking. It is so immoral (at best) to allow "for-profit health insurance companies." We are the only civilized nation in the world that does this for basic health care. In some countries you can buy addendum's that allow luxuries in your hospital stay. We have let the wealthy and the lobbyists decide who lives, dies or is permanently disfigured in our country, to increase the wealth of a few. It is unconscionable.
Remember when it was (at least) illegal yo refuse to treat a person based on their ability to pay? It has not been that long ago.
Currently, I have a son with a torn ACL and I have good insurance. The Physical Therapy company called my insurance, (I do not have a co-pay) and asked at what percentage they were currently covering my son's injuries. It is 75%. So, when I take him to physical therapy 3 times a week, I have to pay 25% of the charge on the spot.
I had never seen this until I moved (back after 20+ years) to TN. Every Dr. or hospital I have taken him to demands payment at the time of service, even though I have insurance. It is sickening that people who are are supposed to put the health of their patients first, actually put money first.
I understand that they must pay their overhead and Dr.'s, etc... but this is sickening. At least I have insurance (for now) or we would not be treated.
My sister was diagnosed with cancer recently, through the Health Department, because she does not have insurance. She has to be treated at the health department. She hopes (very much) that she will temporarily receive "TennCare" insurance through the state, at least until they are able to treat her cancer (and MERSA) that she got after a hospital visit last year, and has re-surfaced.
What better way to tell your citizens that they are expendable if they are poor, let them die. Hell, they can't profit from them.
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:24 AM
Response to Reply #38
61. Damn straight
Edited on Thu May-05-11 09:24 AM by peace frog
SINGLE PAYER cuts out any need for insurance companies that increase costs and decrease care.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #38
92. Precisely. Billions in profits are completely unnecessary but are forced on us by ins. co.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 12:07 AM
Response to Reply #31
39. Stop the two wars & eliminate tax cuts for the super wealthy: problem solved.
Scraping money from the already-strapped vulnerable citizens is inhumane.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 12:41 AM
Response to Reply #31
42. Um .... Tax rates for millionaires are at historic lows ...
Utter right wing nonsense ...

We are not prepared to relegate the middle class to the jungle just so the filthy rich can get a free ride ...

Costs should be cut to the minimum required to educate and heal, and to preserve the safety net of social security .... There have been enough cuts ...

It's time for the well to do to pay their fair share .... There is NO free lunch ....
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 01:57 AM
Response to Reply #31
43. I haven't paid anything in taxes in years.
Want to know how?

I'm a "small business owner".

With one employee... myself.

The others I work with are "contractors", who have their own tax plans.

I make almost no taxable income.

The books say so.

That last sentence is what's wrong with the tax code, from me, to GE... if you know how to legally make no taxable income, while still making money, turns out that people and organizations will do just that.

Cuts aren't the solution. Reforming the tax code is.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #43
75. Wow, I like that one.
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #43
93. That's absolutely true
don't know about you, but it's true of every small business I know. Folks use their business vehicles for personal use, take their vacations as tax-deductible business trips, deduct parts or their homes because of their "home office," take a wide variety of personal expenses as deductible, use employees for personal work, etc.
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 05:20 AM
Response to Reply #31
45. What's got to give is our refusal to pay for what we want
If we want a military that costs more than the rest of the world combined, we need to pay for it.
If we want to protect seniors and educate children we have to pay for it.

This idea that low taxes are our highest ideal has got to give.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 05:25 AM
Response to Reply #31
46. If your kids are millionaires, I hope that is their rate.
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axollot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 05:41 AM
Response to Reply #31
48. You arent even in the US - how are your kids going to pay 80%?
Exactly. Stir the pot.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 06:15 AM
Response to Reply #31
49. Put some "cuts" to the uber-rich in the form of TAXES...If your kids
are making 20 million a year of so, I'm afraid we can't worry too much.
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 06:50 AM
Response to Reply #31
52. Ok, let's reduce military spending by 80% and reallocate those funds ...
... to the General Domestic Budget. Problem solved, n,kay?


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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 06:55 AM
Response to Reply #31
53. unlike your parents who paid a 90% income tax rate (under Eisenhower)?

Cuts are harmful to the economy.


Go compare the 30 years before Reagan took office (with top rates never below 70%) with the 30 years after Reagan first took office (with top rates never above 50%).


The difference is clear. Any objective observer will come to the same conclusion.






*The 90% rate is for the highest income bracket, I assume your 80% comment was the same.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 07:17 AM
Response to Reply #31
54. So, you are a BILLIONAIRE? If not, find anywhere in American history
where the middle class has been asked to pay 80% tax rate.
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GTurck Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 07:48 AM
Response to Reply #31
56. Don't believe the hype
Getting people back to work and making the rich pay a fairer share will probably be enough to alleviate much if not all of the problems. Long term budget projections are notoriously inaccurate just like long term weather forecasts.
The GOP is desperate to spread the lie that government runs like a household budget or business. It doesn't and it shouldn't.
Your children or grandchildren will not be paying 80% income taxes simply because then they wouldn't be able to spend money on anything but survival and no corporation could survive with that.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 08:04 AM
Response to Reply #31
57. Do you have a source
for your 80% figure? Thanks in advance.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 08:56 AM
Response to Reply #31
58. Welcome to DU
I'm sure we can educate you, otherwise enjoy your stay :D

Which numbers are you talking about needing cut?

-Hoot
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:05 AM
Response to Reply #31
59. What kind of rate are you paying in Germany? I can guarantee
that it's higher than the rate you would pay here!
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #31
60. Just make sure they are repukes and wealthy and they will
pay nothing.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:43 AM
Response to Reply #31
64. Bush got us in two bogus wars and cut taxes on the rich at the same time
What did you expect would happen? Really, what did you expect? Please tell this forum what you thought would happen.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #31
66. Well, when my kids are paying an 80% income tax rate
Pul-eeze! What a paranoid tax fantasy.

Cuts are NOT gonna do it. Unless you're talking about cutting defense budgets or subsidies to corporations. Why don't those things "give" before elementary school teacher's pay?

Why don't the tax cuts for those who don't need them "give"?

Moron!
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #31
67. Well, when my kids are paying an 80% income tax rate
Pul-eeze! What a paranoid tax fantasy.

Cuts are NOT gonna do it. Unless you're talking about cutting defense budgets or subsidies to corporations. Why don't those things "give" before elementary school teacher's pay?

Why don't the tax cuts for those who don't need them "give"?

Moron!
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:39 AM
Response to Reply #31
68. Nice strawman.
But you are right, something has to give.

Let me ask you a question, when you are balancing your household budget do you look at the big ticket items or do you focus obsessively on the 23 cents you spend once a month on trivial items? The reason I ask is that our military is bloated, our corporations aren't paying a dime, and the top members of the parasite class are not contributing dime one to the country which made them rich.

So where do you suggest that we give something? Should we just start with the poor and then cut up from there? I mean, fuck em if they aren't lucky enough to have a rich daddy. Obviously they are a drain on society along with them there illegals.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #68
97. "the parasite class". I know what you meant, but it gave me a jolt.
We poor people are the ones considered "parasites" by the RW and some Dems, and it hits me right in the gut.

Every. Time.
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 08:02 AM
Response to Reply #97
112. There are only 2 classes: the working class and the parasites.
I know my saying this is a form of reframing but it is time that we put the labels back where they belong. Parasites are those who: take corporate welfare, dodge taxes, buy elections, subvert democracy, demand bailouts, etc.

The working class includes anyone who works and that ain't the rich and self-entitled. And the sooner the middle class shakes of the dust of ignorance and reizes that they have much in common with the poor and nothing with the parasite class, the closer we'll be to riding the John Galters out of town on a rail.

Viva la revolution.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 08:28 AM
Response to Reply #112
113. Thank you so much for once again leaving out those of us who can't work.
I hope that someday you understand the pain it is to be in our situation.

Until then, not that you will miss those you can't see, GOODBYE.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #31
74. Where were you during the GOP barn-burning years? And don't tell me working and paying taxes.
Because you ain't getting a gold star for doing what's normal and what everyone else does.

Or is a huge amount going to private corporations any different, when their basis is profit, letting people die for a few bucks?

A nation's budget is a moral document reflecting the values of its people. If you want to justify privatization, watch SICKO.

You swallowed some freeperville disinformation. Get well soon.

:hi:


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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 11:33 AM
Response to Reply #31
77. And where did you pull that number out of?
BTW, welcome to DU.
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 11:45 AM
Response to Reply #31
78. Nice try Ryan.
:evilgrin:
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 12:20 PM
Response to Reply #31
81. You think your kids will pay an 80% tax rate?
Who told you that? Glenn Beck? :rofl: Step away from the chalkboard. Do you have ANY idea why the top tax rate was 70% 30 years ago? It forced the richest people to reinvest in their business, otherwise they'd have to pay 70% in taxes. So they invested in their companies and grew the economy and created jobs. If rethugs keep giving the rich all of the money, why would they need to create jobs? Out of the goodness of their hearts?
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #31
82. Show me the numbers, using reality as a basis.
Pulled out of thin air doesn't count, I can make shit up, too.
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #31
89. Welcome to DU!
Enjoy your short tenure here.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #31
94. Hey Paul Ryan, you think that SS benefits should only go to you and your "hero" Alisa Rosenbaum?...

Seems like you both don't want anyone else to collect them but yourselves "quietly"!
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 02:50 PM
Response to Reply #31
95. try reading up on the CBO's #s - the Repub. plans make it worse.
There are plenty of ways to make the budget better - negotiating drug costs like France, Germany and many others do; cutting out insurance company profits and going to single payer; cutting military spending substantially; etc.
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #31
96. Welcome to DU. Can't imagine you'll enjoy your short stay.
Hope you're at least getting paid.

:hi:
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #31
99. CUT THE FUCKING MILITARY BUDGET AND END THE DRUG WAR
And while we're at it, put everyone in the country in the same insurance pool with the old and sick, balancing out the risk. Take the for-profit insurance industry out of the equation.

Know what that's called? Single Payer.


Then crunch the numbers. Don't tell me we can't afford to insure old people.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 04:22 PM
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100. Horseshit. Means testing Social Security, rolling back Shrub's tax cuts for millionaires ...
cutting farm subsidies for Big Agriculture and tax breaks for Big Oil, will leave your kids just fine.
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 06:17 PM
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106. I agree on all by means-testing...
because means-testing is a backdoor attempt at subversion pushed behind closed doors by conservative interest groups. Really, I used to do that work...it's all about eliminating rich people from eligibility so that conservatives can attack Soc. Sec. as a welfare-like entitlement to "parasite" lower-class elderly people.

If those assholes had their way, we'd all drown grandma on her 75th birthday before she became a social burden vampire upon American "prosperity"...prosperity that only the "haves" are entitled to, mind you.

No means-testing ever. It's a poison pill.
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Sonoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 08:00 PM
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108. Welcome to DU, Stuttgart 77.
Sonoman
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 08:28 PM
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111. Yes...ending the tax cuts for the rich is what has to give!
The wealthy are taking from your children!

Twenty years ago CEO's made 40 times more that the lowest paid person in a company. Today they make 400 times more!! How much more will it be when your children are working???

Tax cuts for the rich did not trickle down. Ten years of tax cuts did not create more jobs. Unless you consider all the new jobs it created in countries like India!!! That didn't benefit any of us, it just made the rich richer Tax cuts for the wealthy have benefited NO ONE except the wealthy!

I would really like one republican voter to tell me what the last ten years of tax cuts for the rich have done for them personally. They need to start thinking for themselves, do their own research instead of allowing Hannity, Limbaugh and others tell them that up is down.

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mlevans Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 12:47 PM
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85. Agreed.
But I fear he and his cohorts will do a lot of damage in the meantime. We should be able to have recall elections for federal legislators.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 08:22 PM
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3. they want to create 'Medicare For None', before 'Medicare For All' catches on

this is no accident
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RobbinsdaleDem Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 08:51 PM
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8. That's exactly what I was thinking.
They're afraid the new health insurance bill will eventually turn into a single-payer system.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 09:34 PM
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13. Ssshhhh! Don't ention-may at-thay!
That is exactly the rational outcome for the HCR bill, as states set up their own systems and more and more people see that they can save money for health care, right along with the states.

Similar to Canada's progression to a nation-wide health care delivery system.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:50 AM
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70. The conservative response to equality and rational thinking is fascism and RW religion.
Edited on Thu May-05-11 10:52 AM by freshwest
A tough juggernaut to defeat, but justice always wins out in the end. We are living in the fourth wave.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 09:38 PM
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15. It will, and they know it. They're the last howls of a profit-driven system, instead of a human one.
In the meantime, we must protect those who they would throw under the bus and make sure we deliver the numbers in the Senate and the House, as well as in our state legislatures and governor's mansions. Or we're going to lose a lot of people before it's over.

:dem:

:kick:

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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 07:28 AM
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55. yep, I agree +1000 n/t
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:46 AM
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69. You bet it will... Creeping social democracy at work...
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:56 AM
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72. EXACTLY!!! I was wondering what the desperation was all about,
why it was apparently SOOO urgent for the Teabagger Congress (and teabaggers in the state houses) to enact every item on the regressive ALEC agenda immediately. I guess they knew they had to do it before the rest of America caught on. Well, it's already too late for that, because we have caught on.
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TuxedoKat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 08:23 PM
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4. Good
I hope he gets voted out of office next time now that his constituents know what he stands for.
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 09:57 PM
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19. Knowing people from Janesville, Wi, I'm really surprised
he hasn't been run out of town. 
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:26 AM
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62. on a rail, tarred and feathered
We should bring that back, don't you agree.
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:40 AM
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63. Most certainly..the oily bastard supplies his own fuel.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 08:32 PM
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5. "...the packed room erupted with shouts of 'Liar!'..."
....I'll even bet some of our good bagger friends are beginning disbelieve Republican intent....after all, Republicans inherited a budget surplus in 2000 and look what they did....
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 11:01 AM
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73. From the report, it sounds like the crowd camed armed this time
Armed with information, that is. Between citing the Congressional Budget Office, and the comment about "Call it what you want, but it's not Medicare," it sounds like the crowd was ready for every mindless talking point Ryan could regurgitate. This could be one of the reasons Republicans hate educating the population; reality and its well-documented liberal bias isn't something they want to intrude on their diktats to the masses.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 08:40 PM
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6. Fired up Wisconsinites...
Gotta love these people... :D

And while Ryan may be loved by "Capitol Hill and the few blocks of southern Manhattan", he's a dud with those he counts on for re-election... ;)

Ryan is an idiot, the Good People of his district deserve better.
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MrBlueSky Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 08:50 PM
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7. Looks like the Republicans are starting cave... seeing reality!
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 09:58 PM
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20. From your link
That search should start, Cantor said, with a list of GOP proposals that would save $715 billion over the next decade by ending payments to wealthy farmers, limiting lawsuits against doctors, and expanding government auctions of broadcast spectrum to telecommunications companies, among other items.

They really are incorrigible aren't they?

Ending payments to wealthy farmers I can get behind.

Limiting lawsuits? That's the insurance companies talking again. How does limiting lawsuits against doctors affect the federal budget?

I suppose broadcast auctions could bring in some revenue, but I can't believe it would be much in the scheme of things, especially when you consider that whatever the Republican plan is for those auctions it was likely written by the telecommunications companies.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 08:53 PM
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9. K&R n/t
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 08:56 PM
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10. Obama gave these idiots enough rope
...
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 09:24 PM
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12. He's good with that rope trick! nt
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Utopian Leftist Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 08:59 PM
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11. Can't look at him or stand to hear his voice even.
Because every time I do, all I can think is that something sinister, Machiavellian and diabolical lurks beneath those puppy-dog eyes, just waiting....
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givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 09:34 PM
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14. I love it -
It's a thing of beauty.
Repugs getting yelled at by their sheep.

More of this please!
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 09:50 PM
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16. Awesome. K & R.

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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 09:51 PM
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17. Paul Ryan has been so lucky for so long, but it is nice that people are started to notice that
addressing the deficit should not be done on the back of those already sharing the pain....
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TxVietVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 10:40 PM
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26. Ryan got gerrymandered into the position he's got.
He became my rep after Jerry Kleczka retired and they changed up my district. Of course, I never voted for the :puke: Ryan. He's been the little darling of the conservanazis. He's had these schemes of destroying Social Security and Medicare for years. He's the goto guy for the conservanazis when it comes to an economic plan. His best sales pitches never have any numbers. Kind of like bu$h's famous 3 page TARP plan. I knew some conservanazis in Wisconsin who claimed the :puke: Ryan was so smart and photogenic, he could be president. :rofl: Well, that may work for the conservanazis, but when the truth and figures are put on the table, Ryan's bu$hit is what it is, conservanazi bu$hit. :rofl:
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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 09:53 PM
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18. Thats what they get for letting a 12yr old boy write their budget plan.
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TxVietVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 10:41 PM
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27. Ryan has been on the government tit for most of his adult life.
Hypocricy, the character flaw of conservanazis.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 12:12 AM
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41. As a child, he also received survivor benefits from SOCIAL SECURITY after his father died.
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BluePatriot21 Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 10:03 PM
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21. I'm surprised republicans are
waking up to some of these lies. The remainder of them have me fooled over all other topics, but on Medicare they have me surprised that they actually fight for something that helps PEOPLE.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 10:07 PM
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22. Kenosha, that's my town...
leave it up to us to give him a hard time. But many of those that asked ?'s at the session were Republicans. Most Republicans "in town" are Eisenhower Republicans and they listened to his leaving office speech and they belonged to the union. It's the county evangelical Republicans that are multipling.
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SoapBox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 10:08 PM
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23. I hope that Americans continue to give him and the Thugs, a good ass whoop'n!
...kick ass America.

VOTE this scum out of office before it's too late.
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charmay Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 10:24 PM
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24. Ryan and his ilk
are just a clutter of talking points and think tanks. They have no idea how the rest of us live.
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TxVietVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 10:45 PM
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29. AMEN.
Rich boys trying to tell the workers how tough it is. Most of them never worked a day in their lives. I've seen Ryan in person with all his kids. All squeeky clean. Shows up at the Racine County Fair with a white shirt on impressing looking as out of place as a black man at a kkklan rally.
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Iliyah Donating Member (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 10:48 PM
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30. They still hate
Prez O. As the so called legal system is trying to repeal HCR which is a ploy to keep their followers focused on which I guess is not working right now. If they are able to repeal HRC "mandate" or even repeal most of the HRC, than their followers will be next in line regarding the take out and put in vouchers concerning Medicare, but Medicaid and Medi-cal will be no more.

The rich will have and the people who can't afford will not. Same with the schools, and so forth. It's like the gopers want the people who can't afford to not ever afford, just suffer. That don't give a damn.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 10:43 PM
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28. Come on America stand up and follow the voters of Wisconsin. We
need this to happen all over the country.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 10:59 PM
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32. Wish someone would throw a rotten tomato at him. nt
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:05 PM
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33. Paul Ryan or Charlie Sheen?
And Ryan's gotten 60+ percent of the vote in his past 6 elections. Expect a swing?
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 12:09 AM
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40. Kick
:kick:
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MotorCityMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 02:01 AM
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44. This post made my night
Maybe people are starting to pay attention, finally?

From the article:

"When Ryan claimed that taxes needed to be cut for corporations and the wealthy in order to create jobs, he was greeted with a collective groan from hundreds of workers in a town that recently lost a major auto factory. One man yelled: Weve been cutting their taxes for 30 years and what did it get us? Outsourcing and layoff notices.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 05:27 AM
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47. Looks like the GOP bosses will be throwing Eddie Munster under the bus before long
Edited on Thu May-05-11 05:27 AM by SoCalDem
:rofl:
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 06:33 AM
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50. Paul Ryan can get off my lawn and leave my SS & Medicare alone
He is a self serving bonehead and nothing more.
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Swede Atlanta Donating Member (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:46 AM
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65. Yeah!!!!!!
I think Ryan and the GOP have been surprised that the public is opposed to creating a voucher program for Medicare. I am surprised they didn't float some trial balloons before making the formal proposal.

Further the Democrats have been successful in highlighting the fact that at the same time the GOP wants to gut program after program, privatize Medicare and significantly increase costs to future seniors, they want to cut corporate and millionaire tax rates by 10%.

Let's keep at it. I think there will be some interesting surprises during next year's election cycle.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:51 AM
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71. ROFL
:thumbsup:
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ReturnoftheDjedi Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 11:28 AM
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76. that kid doesn't know what hit him. from golden boy to leper in no time.
Edited on Thu May-05-11 11:28 AM by ReturnoftheDjedi
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 12:15 PM
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80. Have these town hall meetings been liberals finding their voices, or Teabaggers realizing
they didn't get what they bargained for in the 2010 elections?
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Youth Uprising Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 01:02 PM
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86. Yeah, are these people Republicans?
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 01:09 PM
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87. Use the same tax rates as Bill Clinton. We had job growth and prosperity for
most Americans. How can anyone claim that the Bush tax cuts bring new jobs and prosperity? They have sunk us in the third world mire.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 01:18 PM
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88. Dear Mr. Ryan, I respectfully submit the following observation for your consideration:








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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 07:10 PM
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107. BTW...........
Paul Ryan sucks!!
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 04:08 PM
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98. i'd like to hear from the people who voted for him.
Can they hear him now?

:(

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 05:09 PM
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102. try finding a job in his district....
i think the people in southern wisconsin noticed there`s no jobs. no jobs-no tax receipts.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 08:02 PM
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109. Sending him back to washingtong with a realilty check.
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