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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:05 AM
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Heat on Pakistan as bin Laden killed near capital
Source: Reuters

(Reuters) - Pakistan declared the killing of Osama bin Laden a "major setback" to global terrorism, but it will inevitably come under pressure to explain how the al Qaeda leader was holed up in a mansion near a military facility.

Bin Laden was killed in a dramatic night-time raid by U.S. helicopters and troops on his hideout in Abbottabad, home to Pakistan's main military academy and less then two hours' drive from the Pakistani capital, Islamabad.

"Osama bin Laden's death illustrates the resolve of the international community, including Pakistan, to fight and eliminate terrorism," the government said in a statement. "It constitutes a major setback to terrorist organisations around the world."

However, it was not clear whether the Pakistan military was involved in the operation and there was no official comment from the government for several hours, raising the possibility that Islamabad was taken by surprise.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/02/us-binladen-pakistan-idUSTRE7411C020110502



Finally!!

However, Pakistani government has frequently weaseled out after being caught red-handed while conducting terrorism ... and, received aid on top!
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TxVietVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:25 AM
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1. Pakistan MUST answer a few simple questions.
How did the world's most wanted terrorist manage to build a million dollar home within the community that contains many retired military and a military academy?
Excuse me, but until the worthless bastards answer that question, then they are just part of the terrorist community. We've financed this third world country without any accountability for years.
Bring them up before the world to answer a few simple questions.
I listened to the Pak ambassador to the US give his explanation for OBL's end. He basically said it's important to remember that he was killed. Yeah, you dickhead, IN YOUR F*CKED UP COUNTRY THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE OUR ALLY.

"If your not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem."
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 10:27 AM
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6. Do you want us to go to war with them too?
The warmongers are out in force today.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:19 PM
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12. +1000.
nt
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christx30 Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 06:06 PM
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14. I'd be happy
with cutting off all aid.
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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 06:55 PM
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15. Pakistan has nuclear weapons
and a significant al qaeda presence (they came very close to taking over the country a year or two ago).

Do you really think it's a good idea to destabilize the current regime any further when we don't know how many or where those nukes are or what the risk is of them falling into the wrong hands?
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christx30 Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 07:46 PM
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18. they really need to
step up if they want to be considered our allies. We give them billions. What has that bought us? We had to go behind their backs to find the most wanted man in the world. We had to do that because in the past we have worked with their intelligence people, and the target has conveniently disappeared. I read on another thread that they are angry that we did it this way. It is my belief that they have been tipping bin laden off for years. When my ISP won't work, I stop paying them. Won't pay for something when I'm not getting anything from it. Stop paying pakistan.
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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 07:54 PM
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19. We're not paying them to be our allies.
We're paying them to not collapse and be replaced by al qaeda or militant assholes who want to nuke India. We're also paying them not to grow heroin.

We can remove that money because, as you say and I agree, Pakistan is a pretty lousy ally that has probably been helping bin Laden hide. But then I don't want to live with the consequences of taking our money out of Pakistan and letting its nukes fall into even crazier hands.

Sometime you gotta go with the lesser of two evils.
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christx30 Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 08:06 PM
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20. How about
completely dismiss their concerns about their sovereignty and do anything we want to in the area? They are incapable (or unwilling) to fix the problem. We have to do it for them.
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TxVietVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 11:15 PM
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22. The Paks are in between a rock and a hard spot.
They can't control their tribal regions. They have lost thousands of innocent civilians by trying to stop the Taliban and Al Qaeda in those areas. They took back contol, supposedly, losing several thousand troops. Their government has to try to keep peace within the country. The moderates control the government now. One big problem they have is their intelligence agency, ISI. They are the problem in dealing with the Taliban and Al Qaeda. ISI controlled money to the Taliban and some of the Al Qaeda groups.

Now, who is on whose side? It's nasty.

But, we paid them to help us in the hunting of Bin Laden and they knew where he was and got caught red-handed and are embarrassed. Too bad.
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TxVietVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 11:08 PM
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21. Nope. No war with Pakistan. I don't trust the Paks.
The operation to kill Bin Laden proved that we didn't trust them either. Now, after the fact, they want to save face by saying they were involved in the takedown.


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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 11:11 AM
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8. I think Sibel Edmonds could answer those questions
But here is a piece:

"Yet the Pakistani government is refusing to try other suspects newly implicated in Pearl's kidnap and murder for fear the evidence they produce in court might acquit Sheikh and reveal too much.

Significantly, Sheikh is also the man who, on the instructions of General Mahmoud Ahmed, the then head of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), wired $100,000 before the 9/11 attacks to Mohammed Atta, the lead hijacker. "

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/jul/22/usa.september11

A direct link from ISI to Atta so no surprise to many that OBL was in Pakistan (and Pakistan knew it).
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iandhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:25 AM
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2. a news report said
Edited on Mon May-02-11 09:28 AM by iandhr
back in the day we would inform Pakistan about an operation only to have the targets move. The reason this was successful was that we did not tell them that we were going.
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TxVietVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:27 AM
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3. That is correct. We didn't tell them of our mission or give locations.
WE kept them in the dark and completed the mission. Pakistan's Intelligence Service would have moved him.

AND WE FINANCE THE BASTARDS.

Some f*cking allies the Paks are.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:37 AM
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4. It all started when we needed a radio listening site on the frontier of the evil Soviets
So that we could learn that they had a vast bomber fleet, huge numbers of nuclear-tipped missiles, and were plotting to take over everywhere from Europe to Mexico.

Actually, none of those things were true.
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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 10:01 AM
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5. I know, all aid to Pakistan must stop. n/t
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 07:24 PM
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16. Exactly.
..... Pakistan is not our friend and hasn't been for a long time. Our military knows this and that's why they were not included in this deal.
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CJvR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 10:50 AM
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7. I wonder how...
...many times the US have cooperated with the Pakistani intel services - and have had Osama slip away. It is hard to view Osama's presens in that specific location as anything other than an inside job so a vital question is just how rotten is Pakistan?
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 11:14 AM
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9. Pakistan financed the 911 hijackers -- that's how rotten n/t
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Harmony Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 11:19 AM
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10. Pakistan feels the pressure
of keeping up with their rival, India. Not surprising that they would use any means necessary.

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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 11:55 AM
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11. Pakistan can never keep up with India.
India is 7 times bigger in geography and 146 times bigger in GDP.
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:21 PM
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13. how does buying the attack on WTC keep them on par with India?
Pakistan is like the Dylan Klebold of the region -- feels picked on, got some nukes, now they act tough.
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 07:35 PM
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17. They knew all along
Edited on Mon May-02-11 07:35 PM by somone
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