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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:17 AM
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OMG! Oasis!
Joe Klein. Thank you, man. I almost lost all hope.


Frank Rich is a former theater critic. As such, he's been a valuable observer of the histrionic trivialization of our national politics, the scandalous metastasizing of infotainment over substance. But he also has a tendency to see everything as theater, to overlook the details of policy on some difficult issues...like health care, for example. Today, in an unusually foolish column in which he posits Tiger Woods as the Person Of the Year, he offers this paragraph as his peroration:

"This can be seen in the increasingly urgent political plight of Barack Obama. Though the American left and right don't agree on much, they are both now coalescing around the suspicion that Obama's brilliant presidential campaign was as hollow as Tiger's public image a marketing scam designed to camouflage either his covert anti-American radicalism (as the right sees it) or spineless timidity (as the left sees it). The truth may well be neither, but after a decade of being spun silly, Americans can't be blamed for being cynical about any leader trying to sell anything. As we say goodbye to the year of Tiger Woods, it is the country, sad to say, that is left mired in a sand trap with no obvious way out".

Not to put too fine a point on it, but this is irresponsible crap--the sort of false equivalency that Rich has rightly criticized in the past.

Rich is right that Americans have grown cynical. But the extremists of right and left have exploited that cynicism, have raised big money by distorting the truth, have denigrated the slow, tortuous compromise that is at the heart of progress in any real democracy. Obama's is the least cynical of the seven presidencies I've covered. It is a presidency that took effective action to prevent a depression, that has refused to engage in arrogant jingoism in its dealing with the rest of the world and--most important--spent its political capital on the most important piece of social legislation, health care reform, of the past 45 years.

That Rich would even implicitly compare Barack Obama, who has made a significant and very substantive intellectual effort to deal with every problem he's faced, with an adulterous golfer is facile to the point of slander...And so is the judgment that the country is "mired in a sand trap with no obvious way out." From where I sit, the country is facing very difficult problems--caused, in large part, by the right-wing extremism Rich seems to be crediting here--but it is in much better shape than it was a year ago. And the way ahead seems very clear to me: After a thirty year period during which the very notion of governance was ridiculed, we need to take the work of government seriously again. Barack Obama is doing precisely that.

You can disagree with Obama's decisions and his philosophy. You can argue that that he has tried to take on too much. You can argue that health care reform was the wrong priority in the midst of a deep recession. But you cannot gainsay the intensely serious nature of this presidency. And to give any credit to the notion that Obama is "spineless" requires a fundamental lack of knowledge about what he has been trying to accomplish this year...and about the limits of the possible...




http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/12/20/rich-poor/?x...
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:20 AM
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1. Rich wasn't attacking Obama, though
He was saying that his administration is becoming a victim of the media whirlwind and spinmiesters who are ruining just about everything else. Klein seems to be responding to an attack that never happened.
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:25 AM
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2. If that was his intention, then it was
poorly, poorly written - which is very unlike Rich.

But at least it prompt maybe the best perspective of the Obama presidency that i've read until now.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:26 AM
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5. CORRECT
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iwillalwayswonderwhy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:48 AM
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13. Oh I think he was, but it's subtle
Those young good-looking popular black men? Their public image has been manufactured. You just can't trust them.

I wondered if anybody would have the poor taste to link President Obama and Tiger. Of COURSE, someone did.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:25 AM
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3. I don't think continuing the essentially no strings attached bailout saved us from a depression
or more precisely, it could have been done in a way that prevented further economic terrorism.
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:28 AM
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6. Not only that it did - They completely changed
how it was handled, and now the money is coming back. With an interest.

But facts were never a big deal around here.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 04:23 AM
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19. You're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.
We will lose tens of billions, at least, on TARP. At last report, we are down over $120 Billion.

Some banks have paid the money back. Most with the help of backdoor government bailouts, like TALF, MBS purchase programs, and/or the crooked tax evasion deal Geithner handed Citi. Hardly cause for celebration.

As for "saving the economy from depression", the jury is still very much out on that one.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 01:33 PM
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42. did it loosen credit to small businesses which is what it was supposed to do?
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:25 AM
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4. Kick and Rec.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:40 AM
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8. Welcome to DU, Teddykin!
:hi:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:42 AM
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10. I asked that question when I read that Rich Column this morning.....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

:wtf: is Rich doing? He's resorting back to who he was when Clinton
was President and when Gore ran.

Guess Frank Rich is back to being an Asshole now....again.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:43 AM
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:51 AM
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15. abc corp. elites did not endorse the senate bill.......
Edited on Mon Dec-21-09 03:51 AM by FrenchieCat
and mtp can kiss my ass. Like I give a fuck about mtp/David Gregory/General Electric/et al!

If you haven't read the bill yourself, then STFU!

If you have, I apologize; and please elaborate.
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:46 AM
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12. That was all air and no substance.
"Raising big money" as he puts it is called free speech in this country. So I guess it's only a problem when the ("extreme") left does it successfully. (I leave the right out b/c the pundocracy doesn't complain when they do it.) It's fine for corporations to deluge the Capital in money. Anybody, but the left. Oh God no, we can't have that, can we?

And his counter-argument to there being no way out of the sand trap (not that that's a point I'd make yet myself) is to give Obama credit? "Good job, Brownie" will get us out of the sand trap?

Whatever.

"It is a tale... full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

Oh and as to his overall theme, the similarity between the two individuals in marketing an image which doesn't match the reality... it has some merit. Scam? Yeah, I'd consider that a fair word to use - it's unpleasant, but so is the fact of it.

Sooo, I don't see... "where's the beef?" :shrug:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:56 AM
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16. Tiger Wood and Barack Obama are both Black Men who are good at what they do....
To lump them together is racist (because that's the only real thing that they have in common), and then using this sorry "Marketing" excuse sucks ass. There are plenty of other folks, White ones at that, that could have been compared to Tiger Woods; like Sen. Ensign and Gov. Sanford. But of course, we don't want to go there....it's better to make a bee line straight from Woods to Obama. How fucking quaint!
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 04:11 AM
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17. I get your angst over it, but the coincidence that they're both black
doesn't negate the point. Sure, draw the analogy to any number of other people too - it's the same difference. Obama and Woods happen to both be the biggest personalities in the news at the same moment in time. Might that enter into it at all?

Your objection is using a false charge of racism to evade the point. Okay, if that's what you want to do. But the point's no less valid.

This is hairsplitting. A form of recreation which bores me. So now we have an a bogus article criticizing another article, and on top of that, a false argument swirling around it to boot.

Anything but the point, eh? The "sorry marketing excuse" IS the point. But believe whatever you want to, it's fine by me.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 04:21 AM
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18. Anytime a Black person states that a White Person is equating two Black Persons
Edited on Mon Dec-21-09 04:26 AM by FrenchieCat
that really have very little in common to each other (for nefarious reasons),
that Black person is accused of making the false charge of racism.

Works.like.a.charm.everytime.

Tiger Woods porked a bunch of Blondes and the world found out about it,
and the media took it to the level of an OJ crime
(cause I guess Porking 15 Blondes is equivalent
to killing one).

Barack Obama is having to do the impossible as President of the United States,
and while the world waits for him to walk on water,
what he gets for his trouble are white people reducing his challenges
to that of a Black golf player
who cheated on his blonde wife multiple times.

I get it now.

Thanks for straightening me out.
What would have I done otherwise? :shrug:
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 04:36 AM
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20. Nice equation you have there.
Roll with it - if it makes you happy.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 04:38 AM
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22. Actually, those who defend the rationale that is supposed to make it ok
Edited on Mon Dec-21-09 04:39 AM by FrenchieCat
to put Tiger Woods and the President of the United States in the same sentence
make me sad.

This reminds me of how when OJ was to be sentenced smack dab during the election,
someone ventured to wonder if it would have an effect on Nevada voting for Obama.

sad indeed.

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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 05:23 AM
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32. Put them in the same sentence? And why not? Is that forbidden now?
Obama is too good for words now? I don't think so. I don't think he's walking on water quite yet. I like the guy, but that's going a little too far.

If a point made is valid, it's valid. Political correctness does not bend that. At least not to me. Your mileage may vary.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 05:35 AM
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33. Well, I'm sure that
the teabaggers will agree with your view of how annoying being PC is!

http://www.theplaintruth.com/.a/6a00e554d79b02883301157...

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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 05:38 AM
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35. No, it's just bogus and irrational. n/t
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 05:44 AM
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36. Yep......Those Black folks sure are paranoid Crazy!
Edited on Mon Dec-21-09 05:46 AM by FrenchieCat
Always imagining racist shit going on,
when it's just brave folks not wanting to be PC.

Got it. :thumbsup:


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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 06:04 AM
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37. What exactly is your deal with the uber-harassment?
I made my point above with my first comment, and that's the only one I have on the OP's subject, and I made it clear I'm not interested in this crusade you're trying to whip up. I'm not buyin' it.

Equating me to teabaggers noted. Want to go for an "alert"? It'll be my first in a year and a half... but if you must...

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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 04:39 AM
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23. I don't get it.
They're not even the same race.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 04:40 AM
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24. Ask the New York Cab Driver......
perhaps he can assist you with that.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 04:43 AM
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26. I looked it up to be sure.
Tiger Woods: One-quarter Chinese, one-quarter Thai, one-quarter African American, one-eighth Native American, and one-eighth Dutch.

Barack Obama: Has both Caucasian and African ethnicity.

I'm sure that neither Tiger Woods nor Barack Obama have to worry about getting a cab.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 04:45 AM
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27. You wouldn't get it dear......
Edited on Mon Dec-21-09 04:52 AM by FrenchieCat
It way beyond your pay grade.



The one-drop theory retains influence in U.S. society, from both sides of color lines. Multiracial individuals with visible European and African, and/or Native American ancestry are often still considered black or at least non-white, unless they explicitly declare themselves white or Anglo.

Despite the one-drop rule being held illegal (ever since the U.S. Supreme Court in 1967 overturned the Racial Integrity Act of 1924), as recently as 1986, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld a decision by the federal Office for Dispute Resolution to refuse to hear a case attacking Louisianas racial classification criteria as applied to Susie Phipps (479 U.S. 1002) (In 1985, the fair-complexioned Phipps had checked "White" on her passport application. It was denied because, decades before on her birth certificate, a midwife had checked "colored" for one of her parents. Phipps sued, testifying that "this classification came as a shock, since she had always thought she was White, had lived as White, had had twice married as White." 479 So. 2d 369). In addition, several authors and journalists have found it very profitable to "out" as black famous historical mulattoes and whites, who were regarded as white in their society, who self-identified as such, and who were culturally "European" (whether from Europe, the United States, or elsewhere), merely because they acknowledged having (often slight) African ancestry (Anatole Broyard, James Augustine Healy, Patrick Francis Healy, Michael Healy, Sir Peter Ustinov, Calvin Clark Davis, John James Audubon, Mother Henriette Delille a Louisiana Creole).

Many scholars publishing on this topic today (including Naomi Zack, Neil Gotanda, Michael L. Blakey, Julie C. Lythcott-Haims, Christine Hickman, David A. Hollinger, Thomas E. Skidmore, G. Reginald Daniel, F. James Davis, Joe R. Feagin, Ian F. Haney-Lopez, Barbara Fields, Dinesh D'Souza, Joel Williamson, Mary C. Waters, Debra J. Dickerson) affirm that the one-drop rule is still strong in American popular culture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:04 PM
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47. I do find it interesting that the "one drop rule" theory and discussion is so "black and white"
I'm sure Tiger will be happy to hear that those Chinese and Thai blood platelets are irrelevant... it is only the African and the European blood that are worthy of consideration.

Though it was rather generous of you to make "honorary Africans" of Native Americans, by including them in your version of the "one drop rule" (Does that make you a buffet style fan of Madison Grant?)

Madison Grant of New York in The Passing of the Great Race wrote: "The cross between a white man and an Indian is an Indian; the cross between a white man and a Negro is a Negro; the cross between a white man and a Hindu is a Hindu; and the cross between any of the three European races and a Jew is a Jew."


(Buffet style fan because you're willing to make "honorary Africans" of Native Americans, but not Jews? or Hindus?... hmm, you'd better be careful Frenchie, or your words might be misconstrued as being discriminatory toward Jews and Hindus, among others.)
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 05:36 AM
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34. Ya know, I don't see one point in that article about racism. Nor did I make one
in remarking on it. Thread hijack underway, I guess. If you want to talk about racism so much, why not start another one?
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 07:20 AM
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38. Rich did mention Ensign, and quite a few other white people
"Republicans incessantly fell for family values preacher politicians like David Vitter, John Ensign and Larry Craig."


Other people mentioned were:
Ted Haggard
Mark McGwire
Barry Bonds
John Edwards
Fred Thompson
Bernie Kerik
Eliot Spitzer
Bernie Madoff
Ken Lay

and, collectively:
Enron
Citigroup
Fannie Mae
the White House (no date specified)
reality TV
Bush alumni
Democratic politicians who supported the Iraq invasion
some of the news media that purveyed the (Bush) White House fictions

He went through all of those before the Obama paragraph. Hardly a 'beeline'.
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27inCali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:20 PM
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48. don't you know
all successful black people are the same.

they're all empty shells propped up by the Liberal media.

:sarcasm:
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:49 AM
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14. Why on earth does
Frank Rich compare Barack Obama to Tiger Woods? What do they possibly have in common?

Bueller? Bueller? Anyone?
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 04:37 AM
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21. They're both huge celebrities who are leading newsmakers right now?
They've both been exposed as defective products wrapped up in nice packaging and sold to us with brilliant marketing campaigns?

They're both semi-mythical figments of society's projections, hopes and collective imagination?

They both seem to be at a very public crossroads in their lives?

They're both highly successful individuals who are now seeing their popularity, potential and promise rapidly erode?

They both need better advisers and handlers?

Need I continue?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 04:42 AM
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25. No. You don't need to continue.
Edited on Mon Dec-21-09 04:44 AM by FrenchieCat
Your rationale is clear.
They are both Black men.
The rest of the bullshit you list are subjective renderings and not facts.
Sarah palin fits the criteria, for that matter....and would have actually been more apropos
to use in comparing a "celebrity" to Tiger woods.
Sarah Palin and Tigers Woods both work outdoors.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 04:50 AM
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29. Hasn't Tiger always said he's not black?
Edited on Mon Dec-21-09 04:50 AM by girl gone mad
Woods recently began correcting people who call him Black, according to a report in the Chicago Sun-Times.

The reporter, Brian Hewitt, said in the article: "For the record, Woods is one-quarter Black, one-quarter ...


Okay, now I'm completely confused. I have more African ancestry than Tiger and I'm not considered black by anyone. Is it because his skin is dark? I know a lot of Indian, Hispanic, Italian and Chinese people who have darker skin than Tiger.

It seems like this is a matter of convenience. If you don't like the message, just accuse the messenger of racism,
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 04:58 AM
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30. Tiger Wood is Black, whether he likes it or not.
This is Tiger Woods and his father:




This is Barack Obama and his mother:




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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 04:58 AM
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31. Exactly!
We still have a long road to travel.

I hope folks can get a grip on reality, and stop swallowing lame pop psychology published by clueless people.
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 04:50 AM
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28. They've both become targets for the sanctimonious ire of holier-than-thou zealots and ideologues?
:shrug:
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 09:25 AM
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39. I dont understand how people who worked their hind-ends off to get the man elected....
.... can so easily presume that he's done them wrong. One of the reasons why *I* did was that I believe he is the smartest President I've seen in my lifetime, the most compassionate and the most analytical. Because of that, my patience is pretty long.

I saw a post here yesterday that read "I voted for Obama because I felt like he was the best option..." .... I think that's probably the case with many who are upset.

And for many of us, he wasn't the BEST option .... he was the ONLY option. I believe history has a way of putting unique men into power in difficult times and I have no question that is what happened.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 09:49 AM
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41. Your first sentence
Is why I put no stock in such personal claims.

Anybody can make any claim on the internet.

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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 09:34 AM
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40. This shit has been done for years and sadly it will continue...
Tiger Woods and President Obama have jack shit in common other than their mothers were not black. Fuck these people making these comparisons. Sick of it completely...and there is no excuse for it.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 01:49 PM
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43. OMG! Oasis!
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 01:56 PM
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44. I hope the progressives enjoy being lumped in with the GOP now.
They've earned it.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 01:58 PM
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45. Oh man, I thought this was LoZoccolo.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 02:02 PM
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46. K&R!!!
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